Worked at an AD in Cincinnati

[rockysw]

Originally Posted by Oyster Lover

And if that behavior happened, you would support it? That's how you'd want to be treated? That's not Capitalism, that's the type of behavior that actually brings down Capitalism (and Democracy, while you're at it). Taken to an extreme, this is how a billionaire could a supreme court judge with fancy private plane trips, luxury boats, gifts, homes for the judge's mother, and more.

Yes, I agree with this.

In banking there are regulations for anti-tying. As in bankers cannot sell products to corporate customers on favourable terms in return for other large fee business (i.e. have to treat all customers equally). So it baffles me that there are laws to protect large corporates but not common man in such situations.

[kopi-c]

Originally Posted by Not My Style

Let me clarify...

I like the people at R and P, and I mostly enjoyed working there until I stepped behind the Rolex counter. I'm honest, and I don't like playing games. The brand needs to be called out for making promises they don't intend on keeping.

And the watchmakers there are good at their jobs, but they do make mistakes. I would go to bat for them every time. The attitude shown towards me was less than stellar from the head watchmaker, so a simple task he couldn't perform proves he needs to chill out on the level of arrogance shown towards me.

Nevertheless, I witnessed and saw things that raise ethical questions. Like it or not, I witnessed things that should be brought to light. Picking and choosing who the rules apply to, or how we dictate who the right customer is based on status or purchasing history, just seems appalling. I shared an anecdote about two women I encountered, how each treated me, and how we choose who to sell to. In this case, influence outweighed human decency. I don't think that's the culture Hans Wilsdorf would want for his product.

It's a watch. It's not the end all, be all. Most of my clients were great people, and it always broke my heart when a company that welcomes everyone, changed its approach when I stood behind the Rolex counter. All of a sudden, "everyone" is an exclusive group. Is that necessarily R&P's fault, or is just hand being dealt by Rolex? I don't know, but the lack of transparency and the entitled attitude of Rolex made me hate the brand.

Thanks for sharing your insights behind the AD scene. More people should come forward and call it out for what it is because lets be honest about how it really works buying a luxury watch from Rolex.

Keep the discussion going please. Also, if any grey dealers from the sales listing whom always post BNIB full set watches up for sale, chime into this thread too.

[Not My Style]

Originally Posted by nektar

I am not confident the OP is a real person....

It's the internet, believe what you want to believe.

[mgsooner]

How many forums is this going to be posted on?

[jb335]

I can’t believe this is still going….


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[bluestreak]

Originally Posted by Not My Style

It's the internet, believe what you want to believe.

Right, this guy isn’t saying anything that hasn’t been said or speculated on ad nauseam here. I’m not sure why everyone just accepts that this person is authentic.

[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by Not My Style

It's the internet, believe what you want to believe.

We can and we do.

[Shmoopy]

This thread is bananas lol

[nuwildcat928]

Originally Posted by Oyster Lover

You've lost the plot mate, seriously.... And you're obviously not a good reader of threads.... I'm not exhibiting rage. Rather, you are seeing exasperation.

And if you continue talking about how much you have, and saying others don't have, that just reflects horribly on you. You have no idea what I or others have and what I or others don't have. Really, just no idea at all. Thinking that I don't want to buy a Rolex because I don't have the money for it, is just way out there, especially in light of everything I've said about the subject.

Oh yeah, my bad. I should have realized that your complaining about not getting what you want from an AD and not wanting to "suck up" to a lowly sales rep meant that you have the means but just don't want to buy a Rolex based on your principles. A good friend of mine is a sales rep and we have done tons of business together, maybe the reason you haven't been getting what you want is your attitude.

As you like to refer to people's ability to read threads, perhaps you should read a couple of your own talking about your white-hot rage. This doesn't sound like a good hobby for you, mate.

[Oyster Lover]

Originally Posted by nuwildcat928

Oh yeah, my bad. I should have realized that your complaining about not getting what you want from an AD and not wanting to "suck up" to a lowly sales rep meant that you have the means but just don't want to buy a Rolex based on your principles. A good friend of mine is a sales rep and we have done tons of business together, maybe the reason you haven't been getting what you want is your attitude.

As you like to refer to people's ability to read threads, perhaps you should read a couple of your own talking about your white-hot rage. This doesn't sound like a good hobby for you, mate.

Again, you don't understand.... I haven't stepped foot inside an AD in over 15 years. What I know about today's market, is what I read on this forum. I certainly haven't been on the market for a Rolex in as many years, so this is not about me trying and not getting. Again you are just shooting nonsense from your hip, without knowing anything about anything.

As for white-hot rage, it was a figure of speech. As I said before, I'm more frustrated, and not for me, but for the folks who really want a Rolex, who have to jump through multiple hoops and wait years to (maybe) get what they want. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, that process is demeaning and such treatment of nice folks is absurd.

[TVC15]

Originally Posted by bluestreak

Right, this guy isn’t saying anything that hasn’t been said or speculated on ad nauseam here. I’m not sure why everyone just accepts that this person is authentic.

You reply quoted the bot

[Sunny Arizona]

I’ve walked into ADs in Vail and Aspen with Honda Civic keys in my pocket and walked out with 3 watches since Covid.

[phonefool]

Originally Posted by Sunny Arizona

I’ve walked into ADs in Vail and Aspen with Honda Civic keys in my pocket and walked out with 3 watches since Covid.

Id be more impressed if said Civic is a Type R that you managed to buy new for MSRP without any ADM’s….Unless you tell us all 3 watches were SS sports/professional pieces lol. Jk around btw.

[bluestreak]

I have worn a quarter zip and took public transportation on all my AD visits. Since March of 2022 I’ve gotten 3 SS Rolexes (Blue OP, LV Sub, Polar Explorer). I got the OP with zero spend. I have since bought a Tudor GMT and a Nomos (at a decent discount). Regardless of what folks say, I wanted both watches.

I’m in a major metro and all I’ve done is been nice to the SAs and made minor spend and have gotten pretty much what I wanted. Maybe I’ve been lucky, but I’d like to think being nice, genuine and patient also helped

[hello93]

Did you sign a NDA?

[Not My Style]

Originally Posted by hello93

Did you sign a NDA?

No, obviously not.

[BLACKHORSE 6]

Entertaining thread.

[EmpireCity]

Originally Posted by BLACKHORSE 6

Entertaining thread.

you said it!!

[hello93]

Originally Posted by bluestreak

Again, literal LOL. This is ridiculous over watches. The AD is engaging in behavior that will make him the most money. Of course he’s going to give preference to clients that will spend more in his shop.

Comparing a merchants allocation of luxury goods to people that have a moral and legal obligation to act in the public interest is absurd. And just another indication of how addled people’s brains are about not being able to get a damn watch.

Preach on my friend.

Note: There's a strong correlation of people complaining are the ones that haven't gotten allocation.

[Schmed]

Originally Posted by phonefool

Id be more impressed if said Civic is a Type R that you managed to buy new for MSRP without any ADM’s….Unless you tell us all 3 watches were SS sports/professional pieces lol. Jk around btw.

I bought a new Civic Type R for MSRP..... Had to travel 900 miles to get it, though!

[Olive Drab]

So, has anyone had a positive experience with Richter in Cincinnati?

[herts9]

Originally Posted by Olive Drab

So, has anyone had a positive experience with Richter in Cincinnati?

For every one voiced negative review, there are typically dozens of pleasurable experiences. Jewelry stores, mechanics, restaurants...

[Devildog]

Originally Posted by Not My Style

Let me clarify...

I like the people at R and P, and I mostly enjoyed working there until I stepped behind the Rolex counter. I'm honest, and I don't like playing games. The brand needs to be called out for making promises they don't intend on keeping.

And the watchmakers there are good at their jobs, but they do make mistakes. I would go to bat for them every time. The attitude shown towards me was less than stellar from the head watchmaker, so a simple task he couldn't perform proves he needs to chill out on the level of arrogance shown towards me.

Nevertheless, I witnessed and saw things that raise ethical questions. Like it or not, I witnessed things that should be brought to light. Picking and choosing who the rules apply to, or how we dictate who the right customer is based on status or purchasing history, just seems appalling. I shared an anecdote about two women I encountered, how each treated me, and how we choose who to sell to. In this case, influence outweighed human decency. I don't think that's the culture Hans Wilsdorf would want for his product.

It's a watch. It's not the end all, be all. Most of my clients were great people, and it always broke my heart when a company that welcomes everyone, changed its approach when I stood behind the Rolex counter. All of a sudden, "everyone" is an exclusive group. Is that necessarily R&P's fault, or is just hand being dealt by Rolex? I don't know, but the lack of transparency and the entitled attitude of Rolex made me hate the brand.

You talk about the attitude of Rolex and "the Brand"

You do know that Rolex SA in Geneva has no direct connection to Rolex ADs?

Rolex SA has a number of local market subsidiary companies all over the world. Those are the entities that contract with the respective AD networks.

Aside from the supply chain, which an AD has no control over, how an AD conducts is business is not "the Brand's" fault, nor is it the fault of Rolex SA. AD's can chose to be assholes or they can chose not to be. If you've had a bad experience, that's not Rolex's fault. That's your AD's fault.

[lamkinpark]

Originally Posted by Devildog

You talk about the attitude of Rolex and "the Brand"

You do know that Rolex SA in Geneva has no direct connection to Rolex ADs?

Rolex SA has a number of local market subsidiary companies all over the world. Those are the entities that contract with the respective AD networks.

Aside from the supply chain, which an AD has no control over, how an AD conducts is business is not "the Brand's" fault, nor is it the fault of Rolex SA. AD's can chose to be assholes or they can chose not to be. If you've had a bad experience, that's not Rolex's fault. That's your AD's fault.

Too much agree. Rolex SA had nothing to do with retail sales. It is the AD who decide who they wanna sell to

[Devildog]

Originally Posted by Oyster Lover

Again, you don't understand.... I haven't stepped foot inside an AD in over 15 years. What I know about today's market, is what I read on this forum.

Originally Posted by Oyster Lover

Again you are just shooting nonsense from your hip, without knowing anything about anything.

Pot, Kettle ?

You can't really comment without first hand experience. My AD is lovely. Both are, in fact. Yes, the supply issues are real. Yes, some AD's are assholes. But mine (both of them) are not. They are polite, friendly and and honest. Yes, I had to go elsewhere for my CHNR but I'm fine with that. there was nothing "unfair" about me not being preferred over others with a better spend history. They're not obligated to sell me anything, nor am I entitled to being able to buy from them.

Originally Posted by Oyster Lover

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, that process is masochistic and such treatment of folks who must have wholly unnecessary luxury trinkets is, frankly, their own look out

Fixed that for you

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by Olive Drab

So, has anyone had a positive experience with Richter in Cincinnati?

Read post #41.
dP

[Harry-57]

Originally Posted by Devildog

You talk about the attitude of Rolex and "the Brand"

You do know that Rolex SA in Geneva has no direct connection to Rolex ADs?

Rolex SA has a number of local market subsidiary companies all over the world. Those are the entities that contract with the respective AD networks.

Aside from the supply chain, which an AD has no control over, how an AD conducts is business is not "the Brand's" fault, nor is it the fault of Rolex SA. AD's can chose to be assholes or they can chose not to be. If you've had a bad experience, that's not Rolex's fault. That's your AD's fault.

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to mention this.

Doesn't give the OP much credibility, unless his bitterness has blinded him.

[Oyster Lover]

Originally Posted by Devildog

Pot, Kettle ?

You can't really comment without first hand experience. My AD is lovely. Both are, in fact. Yes, the supply issues are real. Yes, some AD's are assholes. But mine (both of them) are not. They are polite, friendly and and honest. Yes, I had to go elsewhere for my CHNR but I'm fine with that. there was nothing "unfair" about me not being preferred over others with a better spend history. They're not obligated to sell me anything, nor am I entitled to being able to buy from them.



Fixed that for you

You take one of my posts, alter it, then re-post it as if that's what I said? You literally have no shame...

[bluestreak]

Originally Posted by Oyster Lover

You take one of my posts, alter it, then re-post it as if that's what I said? You literally have no shame...

Except he didn’t do that…


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[Oyster Lover]

Originally Posted by bluestreak

Except he didn’t do that…


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Except he did...

In his post #265, Devildog reposted in a gray box, supposedly by me, the following:

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, that process is masochistic and such treatment of folks who must have wholly unnecessary luxury trinkets is, frankly, their own look out

But I never said that...

What I said was in post #250, and it was:

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, that process is demeaning and such treatment of nice folks is absurd.


I guess Devildog has no shame, and you too, Bluestreak, have no shame if you deny the obvious alteration...