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Atl · 14 December 2009, 05:47 AM

For the experts,
All this talk about really good fakes, and even now faking the movements (which shocked me), I wanted to know if they are faking the new warranty cards, and matching them with the fake serial numbers. I am worried if I can ever buy a used watch again. I wonder if I am really good enough to tell a true high-end fake vs. the real thing. It scares me. What say you all?

David

watchmaker · 14 December 2009, 05:52 AM

I wouldn't be surprized, and as with everything, the more it costs, the better it will be. If you pay serious money, ie the same as for a genuine one, I imagine the makers may see it worthwhile to include fake cards.

However in my experience fakes generally are not accompanied with papers etc, and quite often, no box either.

WatchTimes · 14 December 2009, 07:22 AM

It is tough to tell and that is why if I am not buying from an AD odds are it will be from here on the forum.

Too many shady people out there to risk it with Ebay or something like that.

Sure there is buyers protection you can take even with Ebay (paying via US Postal Money order, American Express etc etc) BUT your money is still tied up for a bit, you are stuck dealing with phone calls and headaches to sort it all out so I rather not risk it myself and just buy from one of the many trusted members and dealers on here.

BarkMaster · 14 December 2009, 07:27 AM

I think it worries many of us that aren't experienced.

I wonder if the quality of easier to knock off items such as sunglasses and purses have reached production quality.

Very scary.

deserted · 14 December 2009, 07:31 AM

Just by the knowledge i've recieved here on the boards i can spot one a mile away , just my 2 cents....

larrysb · 14 December 2009, 07:52 AM

I saw very good fakes in Turkey over the summer. Sold openly on the street markets with big signs proclaiming, "Genunine Fake Watches".

Don't know about the certificates though. I doubt they were doing that there, as they were openly selling fakes. Counterfeit certificates and boxes would be something that a crook would do in order to rip someone off.

I don't see a lot of anti-counterfeiting measures in my warranty papers. There are no hidden fluorescent ink or threads in the paper, and I didn't notice a watermark.

snow_rocks · 14 December 2009, 08:42 AM

You should be scared!

Everything is fake, this forum, the pics,

even the JJ character isn't real!

DWdrummer · 14 December 2009, 09:10 AM

Some fakes are very good. I dont get it personally. Why bother?
Buy the real thing. What is the point otherwise?

Also, the fake movements, wouldn't fool anyone who has ever seen a real Rolex movement.

Jason71 · 14 December 2009, 09:40 AM

Fakes can be very difficult to spot. See this review.

http://petemillar.com/rolex/rolex.htm

submariner16610 · 14 December 2009, 09:46 AM

but i dont think the fakes can exactly copy the laser engraving inside the crystal. the rolex rolex rolex and the serial no.. so it's safer to buy the recent models with laser engraving..just my 2 cents...

larrysb · 14 December 2009, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by submariner16610

but i dont think the fakes can exactly copy the laser engraving inside the crystal. the rolex rolex rolex and the serial no.. so it's safer to buy the recent models with laser engraving..just my 2 cents...

Not really. Laser engraving equipment is inexpensive and readily available. Even the article jclevoy linked says the engraving is common on the fakes.

Boopie · 14 December 2009, 03:41 PM

Honestly, on some of the "Watch out" postings, I can't figure out what makes a particular watch a fake. Sure, some are obvious (e.g. day of week sub-dials on Daytona) but others are quite good. One day I may "pull the trigger" on a vintage Rolex, and when I do I'm planning on going through a reputable dealer. I will not bid blindly on Ebay or Craig's List.

rmcarlton · 14 December 2009, 04:00 PM

It's very scary buying used these days.

Deyn Man · 14 December 2009, 06:09 PM

i think there's a related article to this one... one about fake Deep Seas... can't find it though...

quite scary read though... so be very careful guys!

JJ Irani · 14 December 2009, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snow_rocks

You should be scared!

Everything is fake, this forum, the pics,

even the JJ character isn't real!

Now how the hell did I get dragged into this one, ya tosser?

Nicko · 14 December 2009, 06:16 PM

If you have ever held the real article in your hands you can tell a fake in a minute. The problem exists when you buy over the internet.

USCpaneristi · 14 December 2009, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrysb

I saw very good fakes in Turkey over the summer. Sold openly on the street markets with big signs proclaiming, "Genunine Fake Watches".

Haha, I like that. "Genuine Fake." It's like when Tony Reali says on Around the Horn "You are looking live... at tape..."

JJ Irani · 14 December 2009, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by USCpaneristi

Haha, I like that. "Genuine Fake." It's like when Tony Reali says on Around the Horn "You are looking live... at tape..."

A "Genuine Fake" is an Honest fake!!

Alcan · 14 December 2009, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrysb

I saw very good fakes in Turkey over the summer. Sold openly on the street markets with big signs proclaiming, "Genunine Fake Watches".

You mean places like this?

idk01 · 14 December 2009, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alcan

You mean places like this?

Hey Al, that pic will never loose its value

Brilliant!!!!

Alcan · 15 December 2009, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idk01

Hey Al, that pic will never loose its value

Brilliant!!!!

That one's a classic, but it got me thinking

If a genuine fake is just that, a fake, does it follow that a counterfeit fake isn't really a fake but a genuine watch?

Sometimes my head hurts.

14 December 2009, 05:47 AM	#1
Atl Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Real Name: David Location: Sandy Springs, Ga Watch: GMT II, new Subbie Posts: 937	A little scared For the experts, All this talk about really good fakes, and even now faking the movements (which shocked me), I wanted to know if they are faking the new warranty cards, and matching them with the fake serial numbers. I am worried if I can ever buy a used watch again. I wonder if I am really good enough to tell a true high-end fake vs. the real thing. It scares me. What say you all? David

14 December 2009, 07:22 AM	#3
WatchTimes 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: JYogi/Jeremy Location: Metro Detroit USA Watch: It's a Rolex! Posts: 5,787	It is tough to tell and that is why if I am not buying from an AD odds are it will be from here on the forum. Too many shady people out there to risk it with Ebay or something like that. Sure there is buyers protection you can take even with Ebay (paying via US Postal Money order, American Express etc etc) BUT your money is still tied up for a bit, you are stuck dealing with phone calls and headaches to sort it all out so I rather not risk it myself and just buy from one of the many trusted members and dealers on here. __________________ "You won't rise to the occasion - you'll default to your level of training." Barrett Tillman Kentucky Colonel, Tennessee Squire & Combat Leprechaun

14 December 2009, 07:27 AM	#4
BarkMaster "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Texas Watch: 18078 YG DD Posts: 7,962	I think it worries many of us that aren't experienced. I wonder if the quality of easier to knock off items such as sunglasses and purses have reached production quality. Very scary. __________________ BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK

14 December 2009, 09:40 AM	#9
Jason71 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Jason Location: USA Watch: Rolex/Tudor Divers Posts: 7,973	Fakes can be very difficult to spot. See this review. http://petemillar.com/rolex/rolex.htm __________________ Best Regards, Jason Just Say "NO" to Polishing Card-Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch Curmudgeons LIfe is too short to wear inexpensive watches PLEXI IS SEXY

14 December 2009, 05:52 AM	#2
watchmaker TechXpert Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Scott Location: London Posts: 2,242	I wouldn't be surprized, and as with everything, the more it costs, the better it will be. If you pay serious money, ie the same as for a genuine one, I imagine the makers may see it worthwhile to include fake cards. However in my experience fakes generally are not accompanied with papers etc, and quite often, no box either.

14 December 2009, 07:31 AM	#5
deserted Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: fort wayne IN Watch: Patek 1909003 Posts: 2,176	Just by the knowledge i've recieved here on the boards i can spot one a mile away , just my 2 cents....

14 December 2009, 07:52 AM	#6
larrysb Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: California Posts: 155	I saw very good fakes in Turkey over the summer. Sold openly on the street markets with big signs proclaiming, "Genunine Fake Watches". Don't know about the certificates though. I doubt they were doing that there, as they were openly selling fakes. Counterfeit certificates and boxes would be something that a crook would do in order to rip someone off. I don't see a lot of anti-counterfeiting measures in my warranty papers. There are no hidden fluorescent ink or threads in the paper, and I didn't notice a watermark.

14 December 2009, 08:42 AM	#7
snow_rocks Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Rick Location: At what TIME?!!! Watch: the SKY tonite! Posts: 3,225	You should be scared! Everything is fake, this forum, the pics, even the JJ character isn't real!

14 December 2009, 09:10 AM	#8
DWdrummer Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 954	Some fakes are very good. I dont get it personally. Why bother? Buy the real thing. What is the point otherwise? Also, the fake movements, wouldn't fool anyone who has ever seen a real Rolex movement.

14 December 2009, 09:46 AM	#10
submariner16610 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: united states Watch: submariner,daytona Posts: 707	but i dont think the fakes can exactly copy the laser engraving inside the crystal. the rolex rolex rolex and the serial no.. so it's safer to buy the recent models with laser engraving..just my 2 cents...

14 December 2009, 03:41 PM	#12
Boopie "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Beverly Hills, CA Watch: Yachtmaster Posts: 3,952	Honestly, on some of the "Watch out" postings, I can't figure out what makes a particular watch a fake. Sure, some are obvious (e.g. day of week sub-dials on Daytona) but others are quite good. One day I may "pull the trigger" on a vintage Rolex, and when I do I'm planning on going through a reputable dealer. I will not bid blindly on Ebay or Craig's List.

14 December 2009, 04:00 PM	#13
rmcarlton "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Monty Location: Georgia Watch: Sub LV Posts: 787	It's very scary buying used these days.

14 December 2009, 06:09 PM	#14
Deyn Man "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Dean Location: Philippines Posts: 1,037	i think there's a related article to this one... one about fake Deep Seas... can't find it though... quite scary read though... so be very careful guys!

14 December 2009, 06:16 PM	#16
Nicko Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Not here anymore Posts: 4,787	If you have ever held the real article in your hands you can tell a fake in a minute. The problem exists when you buy over the internet.

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