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Rob587 · 30 December 2009, 12:26 PM

Ok... I hope no one gets mad, but I am still confused about the sub release dates, serial numbers, and what the differences are. Is there a page somewhere that clearly identifies these things?

Or can someone just fill in the things below in the parenthesis so I can refer back. Thanks so much, and sorry for the boring threads!

Previous COSC Sub Non Date Black Face (Serial) (Dial fonts) (Case Size/Thickness) (model)

Current COSC Sub Non Date Black Face (Serial) (Dial fonts) (Case Size/Thickness) (model)

Rob587 · 30 December 2009, 12:30 PM

oh, and which one has the rolexrolexrolex inside the edges of the dial?

The GMT Master · 30 December 2009, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob587

Ok... I hope no one gets mad, but I am still confused about the sub release dates, serial numbers, and what the differences are. Is there a page somewhere that clearly identifies these things?

Or can someone just fill in the things below in the parenthesis so I can refer back. Thanks so much, and sorry for the boring threads!

Previous COSC Sub Non Date Black Face (Serial) (Dial fonts) (Case Size/Thickness) (model)

Current COSC Sub Non Date Black Face (Serial) (Dial fonts) (Case Size/Thickness) (model)

They're essentially identical apart from the extra writing on the dial with the COSC one.

Ref 14060M
Non-COSC up to Z serial (I think), COSC M and V serials.
Case diameter: 40mm
Not sure about the case thickness

Tools · 30 December 2009, 12:38 PM

Nobody can answer your question... It is unknown outside the walls of Rolex Corporate...

The Sub is essentially unchanged in size and looks since the introduction of the model 14060 in ~1988. Then, in about 1998 the movement was changed slightly and the M was added to the model number.. You cannot tell them apart without looking at the number..

Sometime last year they started COSC testing of all movements, so the Sub started that too..

A little more recently they began the engraved rehaut, like the rest of the models...

Prior to the recent COSC dials, you have to go back to the late 60's and the 5512 for a COSC Sub....a completely different animal..

Rob587 · 30 December 2009, 12:40 PM

Ok well I guess, to simplify my question... If im going to buy one, what is the starting letter of the serial that I need to have in order to get the black non date cosc with rolexrolexrolex on the inside??

Tools · 30 December 2009, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob587

ok well i guess, to simplify my question... If im going to buy one, what is the starting letter of the serial that i need to have in order to get the black non date cosc with rolexrolexrolex on the inside??

v

Rob587 · 30 December 2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Tools

v

Thanks bro! V serial 14060m is the one for me!

Rob587 · 30 December 2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tools

v

Now ive found an M serial that seems to be exactly what I want aswell.. What are the differences between the V and M serials? Is it just release date?

The GMT Master · 30 December 2009, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob587

Now ive found an M serial that seems to be exactly what I want aswell.. What are the differences between the V and M serials? Is it just release date?

Yep, absolutely identical

Tools · 30 December 2009, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob587

Now ive found an M serial that seems to be exactly what I want aswell.. What are the differences between the V and M serials? Is it just release date?

The answer is not that simple.......... but for the sake of this conversation, yes

Rob587 · 30 December 2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tools

The answer is not that simple.......... but for the sake of this conversation, yes

Well, is it movements? or what were the different release date of the two? why is it complicated? Sorry for all the Q's.. im just buying one soon and I dont want to overpay for the older model if I can get the newer one for the same price that looks the same.

Speed · 30 December 2009, 12:59 PM

Here are some of your prior threads for reference:

http://rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=106740

http://rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=106616

submariner16610 · 30 December 2009, 01:00 PM

m and v subs are same. just the production date

Tools · 30 December 2009, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob587

Well, is it movements? or what were the different release date of the two? why is it complicated? Sorry for all the Q's.. im just buying one soon and I dont want to overpay for the older model if I can get the newer one for the same price that looks the same.

It's not simple because they are making M and V concurrently......... so, an M may very well be "newer" than a V.. There is always some overlap with the prefixes..

There is no way to know...

SLS · 30 December 2009, 01:10 PM

The 14060m no date Sub has had the same movement since 2001, the ONLY difference is the COSC rating a few years back and the RolexRolexRolex on the rehaute.
Scott

SLS · 30 December 2009, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob587

Well, is it movements? or what were the different release date of the two? why is it complicated? Sorry for all the Q's.. im just buying one soon and I dont want to overpay for the older model if I can get the newer one for the same price that looks the same.

The non-COSC version should be cheaper for a BNIB by about $300. Lawrenceb has one available now for a good price.
Scott

PRVPAGE · 2 January 2010, 09:48 PM

Hi...M or V really does not matter. Get the one you can get the best deal on. Whatever one you chose will last a lifetime................Enjoy!

padi56 · 2 January 2010, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PRVPAGE

Hi...M or V really does not matter. Get the one you can get the best deal on. Whatever one you chose will last a lifetime................Enjoy!

That I 100% agree with.

BASSETHOUNDS · 2 January 2010, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

It's not simple because they are making M and V concurrently......... so, an M may very well be "newer" than a V.. There is always some overlap with the prefixes..

There is no way to know...

Larry ! What are you doing ! The man is confused about the most basic differences and he was about to get it sorted out .... now you start this . Are you some kind of sadist ?

padi56 · 2 January 2010, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BASSETHOUNDS

Larry ! What are you doing ! The man is confused about the most basic differences and he was about to get it sorted out .... now you start this . Are you some kind of sadist ?

Have to agree cannot see why most must have the latest case date stamp.
Watches don't go off.Perhaps Rolex should put in a self destruct module in the watches.That after 3 months they implode so everyone can get the latest case date stamp.

novae500 · 3 January 2010, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed

Here are some of your prior threads for reference:

http://rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=106740

http://rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=106616

too many posts of the same questions... use the search!

Double_J · 3 January 2010, 01:07 AM

And what of the mysterious disappearing lug holes? Oh, the horror!

unclesallie · 3 January 2010, 01:28 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tools View Post
It's not simple because they are making M and V concurrently......... so, an M may very well be "newer" than a V.. There is always some overlap with the prefixes..

There is no way to know...
Larry ! What are you doing ! The man is confused about the most basic differences and he was about to get it sorted out .... now you start this . Are you some kind of sadist ?

BASSETHOUNDS · 3 January 2010, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padi56

Have to agree cannot see why most must have the latest case date stamp.
Watches don't go off.Perhaps Rolex should put in a self destruct module in the watches.That after 3 months they implode so everyone can get the latest case date stamp.

Can't agree more , I only want the "cheapest" case stamp that goes with the exact same watch ...

Safetrends · 3 January 2010, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padi56

Have to agree cannot see why most must have the latest case date stamp.
Watches don't go off.Perhaps Rolex should put in a self destruct module in the watches.That after 3 months they implode so everyone can get the latest case date stamp.

:r ofl:

30 December 2009, 12:26 PM	#1
Rob587 Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Florida Watch: Rolex Air King Posts: 84	Sorry for the repeated Sub question, but im still confused. Ok... I hope no one gets mad, but I am still confused about the sub release dates, serial numbers, and what the differences are. Is there a page somewhere that clearly identifies these things? Or can someone just fill in the things below in the parenthesis so I can refer back. Thanks so much, and sorry for the boring threads! Previous COSC Sub Non Date Black Face (Serial) (Dial fonts) (Case Size/Thickness) (model) Current COSC Sub Non Date Black Face (Serial) (Dial fonts) (Case Size/Thickness) (model)

30 December 2009, 12:38 PM	#4
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	Nobody can answer your question... It is unknown outside the walls of Rolex Corporate... The Sub is essentially unchanged in size and looks since the introduction of the model 14060 in ~1988. Then, in about 1998 the movement was changed slightly and the M was added to the model number.. You cannot tell them apart without looking at the number.. Sometime last year they started COSC testing of all movements, so the Sub started that too.. A little more recently they began the engraved rehaut, like the rest of the models... Prior to the recent COSC dials, you have to go back to the late 60's and the 5512 for a COSC Sub....a completely different animal.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

30 December 2009, 01:10 PM	#15
SLS "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Scott Location: GMT -7 Watch: GMT's & Sub's Posts: 10,401	The 14060m no date Sub has had the same movement since 2001, the ONLY difference is the COSC rating a few years back and the RolexRolexRolex on the rehaute. Scott __________________ "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of lower price is forgotten." -Benjamin Franklin Member No. 922

30 December 2009, 12:30 PM	#2
Rob587 Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Florida Watch: Rolex Air King Posts: 84	oh, and which one has the rolexrolexrolex inside the edges of the dial?

30 December 2009, 12:40 PM	#5
Rob587 Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Florida Watch: Rolex Air King Posts: 84	Ok well I guess, to simplify my question... If im going to buy one, what is the starting letter of the serial that I need to have in order to get the black non date cosc with rolexrolexrolex on the inside??

30 December 2009, 12:59 PM	#12
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	Here are some of your prior threads for reference: http://rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=106740 http://rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=106616

30 December 2009, 01:00 PM	#13
submariner16610 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: united states Watch: submariner,daytona Posts: 707	m and v subs are same. just the production date

2 January 2010, 09:48 PM	#17
PRVPAGE "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: USA Posts: 32	Hi...M or V really does not matter. Get the one you can get the best deal on. Whatever one you chose will last a lifetime................Enjoy!

3 January 2010, 01:07 AM	#22
Double_J "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: USA Posts: 98	And what of the mysterious disappearing lug holes? Oh, the horror!

3 January 2010, 01:28 AM	#23
unclesallie 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: dan Location: Pennsylvania Watch: keystone pocket Posts: 5,917	Quote: Originally Posted by Tools View Post It's not simple because they are making M and V concurrently......... so, an M may very well be "newer" than a V.. There is always some overlap with the prefixes.. There is no way to know... Larry ! What are you doing ! The man is confused about the most basic differences and he was about to get it sorted out .... now you start this . Are you some kind of sadist ?

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