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edge591 · 5 January 2010, 11:29 AM

Hey There,
Looking at a PAM 240 and am talking to retailers for availability, price etc...
What is the deal with grey dealers and are they trustworthy? Are the watches new, do they have a warrenty, are they refurbs, do they have paperwork, are they stolen and if not how do they get the watches and sell them below retail??

Obviously I don't know how the grey market works so I would really appreciate some info on it and maybe a trustworthy dealer or two that I can contact.

s3lasinc · 5 January 2010, 11:39 AM

I buy from grey dealers or pre owned market 100% of the time. IMHO there's where the savings is at.

My advice is be prepared to do your due diligence and check references after references.

Good luck!

B. Doggy · 5 January 2010, 12:07 PM

You can get LNIB and BNIB watches from a Grey Dealer. Moreover, you can of course get all the paperwork that would come with the piece as if it came new from an AD. No difference.

Where the watch comes from is dependent on who you buy from and what type of watch it is. They are sourced from different places.

Do your homework, but there are several great ones right here on this forum. Good luck!

edge591 · 5 January 2010, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B. Doggy

You can get LNIB and BNIB watches from a Grey Dealer. Moreover, you can of course get all the paperwork that would come with the piece as if it came new from an AD. No difference.

Where the watch comes from is dependent on who you buy from and what type of watch it is. They are sourced from different places.

Do your homework, but there are several great ones right here on this forum. Good luck!

Have you bought from a grey dealer and from whom if I may ask?

B. Doggy · 5 January 2010, 12:11 PM

Check out Mosco here. He's a stand-up guy that is well known on TRF. No worries with him.

rpryan55 · 5 January 2010, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B. Doggy

Check out Mosco here. He's a stand-up guy that is well known on TRF. No worries with him.

Let me second this. Mosco (aka Greg)'s the best.

Psmith · 5 January 2010, 12:24 PM

...also Oscar ('bodybump') - another top TRF seller who seems to magically find PAMs

Cheers

1000ftSub · 5 January 2010, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s3lasinc

I buy from grey dealers or pre owned market 100% of the time. IMHO there's where the savings is at.

My advice is be prepared to do your due diligence and check references after references.

Good luck!

Yup, i buy pre owned. Unless if i get such a good deal on a new one.

metal man · 5 January 2010, 12:26 PM

too many on the TRF to buy anywhere else. I think you will see by the Number of post and the rep of the sellers that you will have no worries making a purchase here. Ocsar is aces.

edge591 · 5 January 2010, 12:29 PM

What about warrenty?

Pep04 · 5 January 2010, 12:45 PM

edge,
If the gray dealer is good, all warranties will be in effect with you. I bought mine from a grey dealer and saved money. Never had a problem. I would not buy from a AD unless they match the grey dealers market. And don't hold your breathe.\

Good luck

louie · 5 January 2010, 02:19 PM

sale2day = Boris from Chicago

brady · 5 January 2010, 03:25 PM

I have dealt with DavidSW many times and would recommend him 100%. Very responsive and can usually find what you're looking for.

dotcomakazee · 5 January 2010, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brady

i have dealt with davidsw many times and would recommend him 100%. Very responsive and can usually find what you're looking for.

x2

sushisummo · 5 January 2010, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psmith

...also Oscar ('bodybump') - another top TRF seller who seems to magically find PAMs

Cheers

X2...........

brkanand · 5 January 2010, 04:33 PM

No. I would not. I prefer ADs

bcacncnc · 5 January 2010, 04:37 PM

Apart from the credibility of the grey marketer, I would just double check that they will provide you with the FULL SET of "documents", ie. the international warranty card. With that card (assuming its a real one) you basically have the same rights of ownership as someone who bought the watch directly from an AD. I have heard of some online grey marketers who do NOT provide this card, so in effect you get the REAL authentic watch, but you don't have the same warranty rights as someone who bought from an AD.

I think that warranty card is like the birth certificate for a watch and it gives you peace of mind over the long term that should something arise requiring repair or servicing you have full rights to it.

mrh1797 · 5 January 2010, 04:40 PM

If your looking for PAM's Oscar "bodybump" is your man...he will get you what you want when you want it....I will vouch for him to no end...

franksrollie · 6 January 2010, 02:14 AM

My TT Sub I got from a gray market dealer at a great deal. I almost went to the same gray market dealer for my Pam 240 after the first AD changed the discount from 15% to 12% in a weeks time.

So I decided to give the next AD a few towns over a try before going gray market and they offerd 20% off with cash or 18% off with credit card. I went with the AD because I thought it was a very good deal.

Good luck with your Pam purchase.

jcatral14 · 6 January 2010, 04:40 AM

Another vote for Oscar

timepieceaddict · 6 January 2010, 09:12 AM

Oscar is the man!!

nepod90 · 7 January 2010, 03:11 PM

Oscar is the Pam man!

5 January 2010, 11:29 AM	#1
edge591 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: canada Posts: 143	Panerai Grey Dealers~Would You Buy From? Hey There, Looking at a PAM 240 and am talking to retailers for availability, price etc... What is the deal with grey dealers and are they trustworthy? Are the watches new, do they have a warrenty, are they refurbs, do they have paperwork, are they stolen and if not how do they get the watches and sell them below retail?? Obviously I don't know how the grey market works so I would really appreciate some info on it and maybe a trustworthy dealer or two that I can contact.

5 January 2010, 12:07 PM	#3
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	You can get LNIB and BNIB watches from a Grey Dealer. Moreover, you can of course get all the paperwork that would come with the piece as if it came new from an AD. No difference. Where the watch comes from is dependent on who you buy from and what type of watch it is. They are sourced from different places. Do your homework, but there are several great ones right here on this forum. Good luck! __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

5 January 2010, 12:11 PM	#5
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	Check out Mosco here. He's a stand-up guy that is well known on TRF. No worries with him. __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

5 January 2010, 12:24 PM	#7
Psmith "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Clive Location: Exoplanet Watch: spring-driven Posts: 38,856	...also Oscar ('bodybump') - another top TRF seller who seems to magically find PAMs Cheers __________________

5 January 2010, 12:45 PM	#11
Pep04 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Pep Location: Miami Watch: GMTIIc, Pam320 Posts: 2,773	edge, If the gray dealer is good, all warranties will be in effect with you. I bought mine from a grey dealer and saved money. Never had a problem. I would not buy from a AD unless they match the grey dealers market. And don't hold your breathe.\ Good luck __________________ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -Benjamin Franklin Prick #8

5 January 2010, 11:39 AM	#2
s3lasinc "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Perry Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 84	I buy from grey dealers or pre owned market 100% of the time. IMHO there's where the savings is at. My advice is be prepared to do your due diligence and check references after references. Good luck!

5 January 2010, 12:26 PM	#9
metal man Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: red Location: Katy Texas Watch: s/s sub 5513 Posts: 172	too many on the TRF to buy anywhere else. I think you will see by the Number of post and the rep of the sellers that you will have no worries making a purchase here. Ocsar is aces.

5 January 2010, 12:29 PM	#10
edge591 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: canada Posts: 143	What about warrenty?

5 January 2010, 02:19 PM	#12
louie "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Lewis Location: Earth Watch: The Beast Posts: 1,352	sale2day = Boris from Chicago __________________ " I THINK PERFECTION IS UGLY. SOMEWHERE IN THE THINGS HUMANS MAKE, I WANT TO SEE SCARS, FAILURE, DISORDER AND DISTORTION" - YOHJI YAMAMOTO

5 January 2010, 03:25 PM	#13
brady "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Brady Location: San Antonio Watch: yes please Posts: 525	I have dealt with DavidSW many times and would recommend him 100%. Very responsive and can usually find what you're looking for.

5 January 2010, 04:33 PM	#16
brkanand 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: DrK Location: India Watch: 4=YMDaytonaGMTHulk Posts: 7,052	No. I would not. I prefer ADs

5 January 2010, 04:37 PM	#17
bcacncnc "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Bryan Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,577	Apart from the credibility of the grey marketer, I would just double check that they will provide you with the FULL SET of "documents", ie. the international warranty card. With that card (assuming its a real one) you basically have the same rights of ownership as someone who bought the watch directly from an AD. I have heard of some online grey marketers who do NOT provide this card, so in effect you get the REAL authentic watch, but you don't have the same warranty rights as someone who bought from an AD. I think that warranty card is like the birth certificate for a watch and it gives you peace of mind over the long term that should something arise requiring repair or servicing you have full rights to it. __________________ Omega Panerai Chopard Grand Seiko

5 January 2010, 04:40 PM	#18
mrh1797 Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Matt Location: The 505 Watch: Love em' all!! Posts: 1,237	If your looking for PAM's Oscar "bodybump" is your man...he will get you what you want when you want it....I will vouch for him to no end...

6 January 2010, 02:14 AM	#19
franksrollie "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Frank Location: Westchester,NY Watch: Pam 240 / TT Sub Posts: 91	My TT Sub I got from a gray market dealer at a great deal. I almost went to the same gray market dealer for my Pam 240 after the first AD changed the discount from 15% to 12% in a weeks time. So I decided to give the next AD a few towns over a try before going gray market and they offerd 20% off with cash or 18% off with credit card. I went with the AD because I thought it was a very good deal. Good luck with your Pam purchase.

6 January 2010, 04:40 AM	#20
jcatral14 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Jay Location: NJ Watch: aholic Posts: 726	Another vote for Oscar __________________ -Jay

6 January 2010, 09:12 AM	#21
timepieceaddict "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Nick Location: Sussex, UK Watch: 116520, Pam 312 Posts: 286	Oscar is the man!!

7 January 2010, 03:11 PM	#22
nepod90 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Chicago Land Posts: 133	Oscar is the Pam man! __________________ Rolex GMT Batgirl 126710BLNR /// Rolex Yacht Master 116622 /// Panerai 312N

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