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nauticajoe · 11 February 2010, 01:36 AM

I've got a grey dealer asking for the following BNIB:
Z @ 5900
M @ 6000
V @ retail...possibly more.

Further, there are 2 AD's - one asking for an M @ 6400 and another asking for a V @ 7000. I know the SD's are becoming a tough item to come upon. I get it. However, do you think these prices are a bit over the top? Are these dealers capitalizing on the demand?

Volant997 · 11 February 2010, 02:14 AM

I'll take the V@retail, BNIB

- who's got one?

Capitalizing on demand - how unAmerican

the KING · 11 February 2010, 02:16 AM

i dont know exactly the fair price but seems high

tkc324 · 11 February 2010, 02:17 AM

Look on ebay...

sea-dweller · 11 February 2010, 02:22 AM

I think you should be able to do better with some of the reputable sellers here on TRF.

Duc-904 · 11 February 2010, 02:49 AM

Way high. Should find a perfect example Z and up for around 4500.

marke · 11 February 2010, 03:16 AM

i would wait and see, in my opinion the sea dweller 16600 model will return at some point in the near future as not everybody can weasr a deep sea, the other alternative is to get the Tudor Hydronaut 1200 which isw fantastic at £2450, have a look on the tudor web site and you will be pleased, I have one of these and love it.

DLagent · 11 February 2010, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Duc-904

Way high. Should find a perfect example Z and up for around 4500.

You're telling me a BRAND-NEW-IN-BOX SEA DWELLER can be found for around $4500? I find that a bit hard to believe... Maybe pre-owned, but BNIB? I doubt it...

Volant997 · 11 February 2010, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duc-904

Way high. Should find a perfect example Z and up for around 4500.

This is a very germane thread to me. Like Nauticajoe I'm actively looking for a SD. If there is a BNIB (or even a LNIB / "perfect example") Z-series for $4,500 out there please point me to it. Thanks in advance!

moviefreak · 11 February 2010, 05:33 AM

Yup... Z should be between 4k to 4.3k
M 4.5k
V around 5k

Duc-904 · 11 February 2010, 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLagent

You're telling me a BRAND-NEW-IN-BOX SEA DWELLER can be found for around $4500? I find that a bit hard to believe... Maybe pre-owned, but BNIB? I doubt it...

No pre-owned but excellent, near mint condition. The deals are out there but you need to move quick when you find them.

Volant997 · 11 February 2010, 05:43 AM

OK - I'll put the post out on WTB and see where it goes. Appreciate the advice on the price points.

valentine · 11 February 2010, 06:12 AM

wait it out a bit...i picked up my z for 3700.00 complete package locally.

nauticajoe · 11 February 2010, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moviefreak

Yup... Z should be between 4k to 4.3k
M 4.5k
V around 5k

I'll be shopping at your store!!

Jason71 · 11 February 2010, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marke

i would wait and see, in my opinion the sea dweller 16600 model will return at some point in the near future as not everybody can weasr a deep sea, the other alternative is to get the Tudor Hydronaut 1200 which isw fantastic at £2450, have a look on the tudor web site and you will be pleased, I have one of these and love it.

No way. The 16600 is gone for good. It was never a huge seller for Rolex with the Submariner so similar. Remember............The WIS population makes up a FRACTION of the entire population that buys Rolexes. With the SD gone, most people will just buy a Submariner.

JMHO though.

Jason71 · 11 February 2010, 08:36 AM

Don't get an SD........They are not very good quality

Tombstone · 11 February 2010, 08:46 AM

I agree with Mac $4,500 is about right. Play this idea if you want to see what grey dealers are paying for SD. Call up a dealer say you have a perfect Z and ask what they will pay $3,000 or lower is the going rate. Anything over three g's is pure money in the bank for the dealer. A no date Sub is selling to the deaaler for $1,500 to $2,000. At this rate if the Sub is perfect I'll take two please. You usually take it when you sell, don't sell unless it is to a private party who will pay more IMHO.

nauticajoe · 11 February 2010, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by valentine

wait it out a bit...i picked up my z for 3700.00 complete package locally.

You think its going to fizzle out? Waiting it out is similar to hedging on crude oil; had I known...I would have stocked up on a few barrels to store in my basement.

sakuraba · 11 February 2010, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jclevoy

No way. The 16600 is gone for good. It was never a huge seller for Rolex with the Submariner so similar.

The reason for the scarcity is because some guy named Jason on TRF keeps snatching up all the SDs that come up!

mattmartin · 11 February 2010, 11:25 AM

the going price for an M or V serial SD in near new quality is around $4500 from someone on TRF or TZ, but NOT from any brick and mortar store, whether its an AD or not. Its just not going to happen. If you buy from an AD, the last retail on an SD M or V series was $6400.00. So, I would predict the most discount available is around 10%. This discount rate may vary depending upon the state of the local economy, and whether the purchaser has purchased other high value items in the past from the dealer. So, when you ask what is a fair price for an SD, you have to distinguish between a brick and mortar grey market dealer, where you have more security of authenticity, or a TRF online seller. With the later you get a giant savings, but the risk increases precipitously.

Also, I dont think dealers will price an M series any differently than a V series because to do so would be to admit that the Z, M, V, etc serial numbers indicate newer timepieces and that would reflect poorly on the dozens of Y, Z, M, etc series Datejusts they have in the displays....

Dweller2010 · 11 February 2010, 11:42 AM

Jason, love that pic!!!!!! The PH is down right sexy ;-)

SteveMorris · 11 February 2010, 12:32 PM

I agree @mattmartin, $4500 isn't going to happen from a reputable dealer. Your dealer pricing series differently either means he's a newbie, or the guys just very generous. I'm an oldie and have never experienced a dealer going through series seperately but I've never asked. Older basic rolexes come cheaper to dealers but as mattmartin said, it's not in their best interests to price differently. All the gray dealers and ADs I know work on % so always try for top dollar across the board. $4500 seems low unless youre talkin used or if you can get your dealer to give an older series for cheaper, and if you can, spread the love - pass on his info to us. Jusdt my two cents

SteveMorris · 11 February 2010, 12:35 PM

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Volant997 · 11 February 2010, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattmartin

the going price for an M or V serial SD in near new quality is around $4500 from someone on TRF or TZ, but NOT from any brick and mortar store, whether its an AD or not.

So who should I wire this $4,500 (what the heck let's make it $4,750) to for the mythical new quality v-serial SD? Sure would like to do so...

Sorry - frustrating thread...

TurboWatch · 11 February 2010, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jclevoy

Don't get an SD........They are not very good quality

especially the red hand

SteveMorris · 11 February 2010, 01:43 PM

Cheapest Ive seen BNIB is $4850, after reading this thread I just called my dealer to ask what year it is, she said '03 so thats F! She said even with no box or papers and just ok condition $4500 V is unheard of

nauticajoe · 11 February 2010, 02:37 PM

Another dealer is offering 5900 for a V (unworn), which I think is more realistic....vs. the 5900 for an M from another dealer originally mentioned in my post.

dysert · 11 February 2010, 02:47 PM

I have a new Deep Sea Sea Dweller worn 2 days with most of the plastic still intact. All boxes, hang tags, warranty card, etc. I have pics if anyone is interested.

Clogger · 11 February 2010, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dysert

I have a new Deep Sea Sea Dweller worn 2 days with most of the plastic still intact. All boxes, hang tags, warranty card, etc. I have pics if anyone is interested.

Hey buddy, post it in the for sale section, not here, as you will get into trouble

marke · 11 February 2010, 08:35 PM

We shall wait and see, my money is on the sea dweller returning, even more so after speaking to my contact a Rolex.

11 February 2010, 01:36 AM	#1
nauticajoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Joe Location: PA Posts: 14,774	Fair price for an SD? I've got a grey dealer asking for the following BNIB: Z @ 5900 M @ 6000 V @ retail...possibly more. Further, there are 2 AD's - one asking for an M @ 6400 and another asking for a V @ 7000. I know the SD's are becoming a tough item to come upon. I get it. However, do you think these prices are a bit over the top? Are these dealers capitalizing on the demand?

11 February 2010, 02:22 AM	#5
sea-dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Dennis Location: Bay Area - 925 Posts: 40,018	I think you should be able to do better with some of the reputable sellers here on TRF. __________________ TRF Member #6699 (since September 2007)

11 February 2010, 05:33 AM	#10
moviefreak "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: in my house... Posts: 5,524	Yup... Z should be between 4k to 4.3k M 4.5k V around 5k __________________ Cheers, Eduardo Be a WIS not a WUSS... and remove all the stickers..

11 February 2010, 05:43 AM	#12
Volant997 Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Northern VA Watch: 116520, 14060M Posts: 129	Wtb OK - I'll put the post out on WTB and see where it goes. Appreciate the advice on the price points.

11 February 2010, 08:36 AM	#16
Jason71 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Jason Location: USA Watch: Rolex/Tudor Divers Posts: 7,973	Don't get an SD........They are not very good quality __________________ Best Regards, Jason Just Say "NO" to Polishing Card-Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch Curmudgeons LIfe is too short to wear inexpensive watches PLEXI IS SEXY

11 February 2010, 02:14 AM	#2
Volant997 Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Northern VA Watch: 116520, 14060M Posts: 129	I'll take the V@retail, BNIB - who's got one? Capitalizing on demand - how unAmerican

11 February 2010, 02:16 AM	#3
the KING "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Paris Posts: 218	i dont know exactly the fair price but seems high

11 February 2010, 02:17 AM	#4
tkc324 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Tom Location: Chi town Watch: Daytona AP DD Sub Posts: 3,717	Look on ebay...

11 February 2010, 02:49 AM	#6
Duc-904 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Jesse Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 1,001	Way high. Should find a perfect example Z and up for around 4500.

11 February 2010, 03:16 AM	#7
marke Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Mark Location: UK Nationwide... Watch: Daytona Posts: 1,842	i would wait and see, in my opinion the sea dweller 16600 model will return at some point in the near future as not everybody can weasr a deep sea, the other alternative is to get the Tudor Hydronaut 1200 which isw fantastic at £2450, have a look on the tudor web site and you will be pleased, I have one of these and love it.

11 February 2010, 06:12 AM	#13
valentine Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Justin Location: Baltimore, MD Watch: TT Diamond DJ Posts: 2,809	wait it out a bit...i picked up my z for 3700.00 complete package locally.

11 February 2010, 08:46 AM	#17
Tombstone "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Richard Location: LV, NV Watch: LV Sub and others Posts: 2,689	I agree with Mac $4,500 is about right. Play this idea if you want to see what grey dealers are paying for SD. Call up a dealer say you have a perfect Z and ask what they will pay $3,000 or lower is the going rate. Anything over three g's is pure money in the bank for the dealer. A no date Sub is selling to the deaaler for $1,500 to $2,000. At this rate if the Sub is perfect I'll take two please. You usually take it when you sell, don't sell unless it is to a private party who will pay more IMHO. __________________ Always working...by choice

11 February 2010, 11:25 AM	#20
mattmartin "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: City Limits Posts: 82	the way i see it the going price for an M or V serial SD in near new quality is around $4500 from someone on TRF or TZ, but NOT from any brick and mortar store, whether its an AD or not. Its just not going to happen. If you buy from an AD, the last retail on an SD M or V series was $6400.00. So, I would predict the most discount available is around 10%. This discount rate may vary depending upon the state of the local economy, and whether the purchaser has purchased other high value items in the past from the dealer. So, when you ask what is a fair price for an SD, you have to distinguish between a brick and mortar grey market dealer, where you have more security of authenticity, or a TRF online seller. With the later you get a giant savings, but the risk increases precipitously. Also, I dont think dealers will price an M series any differently than a V series because to do so would be to admit that the Z, M, V, etc serial numbers indicate newer timepieces and that would reflect poorly on the dozens of Y, Z, M, etc series Datejusts they have in the displays....

11 February 2010, 11:42 AM	#21
Dweller2010 Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ohio Watch: SD Posts: 25	Jason, love that pic!!!!!! The PH is down right sexy ;-)

11 February 2010, 12:32 PM	#22
SteveMorris Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Steve Location: San Marcos Watch: Everose Daytona Posts: 22	I agree @mattmartin, $4500 isn't going to happen from a reputable dealer. Your dealer pricing series differently either means he's a newbie, or the guys just very generous. I'm an oldie and have never experienced a dealer going through series seperately but I've never asked. Older basic rolexes come cheaper to dealers but as mattmartin said, it's not in their best interests to price differently. All the gray dealers and ADs I know work on % so always try for top dollar across the board. $4500 seems low unless youre talkin used or if you can get your dealer to give an older series for cheaper, and if you can, spread the love - pass on his info to us. Jusdt my two cents

11 February 2010, 12:35 PM	#23
SteveMorris Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Steve Location: San Marcos Watch: Everose Daytona Posts: 22	#

11 February 2010, 01:43 PM	#26
SteveMorris Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Steve Location: San Marcos Watch: Everose Daytona Posts: 22	Cheapest Ive seen BNIB is $4850, after reading this thread I just called my dealer to ask what year it is, she said '03 so thats F! She said even with no box or papers and just ok condition $4500 V is unheard of

11 February 2010, 02:37 PM	#27
nauticajoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Joe Location: PA Posts: 14,774	Another dealer is offering 5900 for a V (unworn), which I think is more realistic....vs. the 5900 for an M from another dealer originally mentioned in my post.

11 February 2010, 02:47 PM	#28
dysert 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 194	Dssd I have a new Deep Sea Sea Dweller worn 2 days with most of the plastic still intact. All boxes, hang tags, warranty card, etc. I have pics if anyone is interested.

11 February 2010, 08:35 PM	#30
marke Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Mark Location: UK Nationwide... Watch: Daytona Posts: 1,842	We shall wait and see, my money is on the sea dweller returning, even more so after speaking to my contact a Rolex.

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