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beerformeplz · 15 April 2010, 01:47 PM

Local jewler that I have bought previous watches from let me take this one home for a few days. I would really love to keep it but that would mean the 14060m COSC would have to go. One thing i have noticed is the lume on this watch is not there except for the hands and second hand. Its a bright green but nothing on the hour markers. The pearl lights up also.

VERY hard to get a decent photo in my house.

beerformeplz · 15 April 2010, 01:47 PM

Its a 2001 model.

sakuraba · 15 April 2010, 01:55 PM

Very nice 16613. My guess is that it has tritium indices while the hands are luminova and were a recent replacement. It looks nice, but down the road, the indices will fade to a nicer shade of yellow while the hands will remain bright white.

I would keep the 14060 in case you were entertaining thoughts on a trade.

What did you need help on?

beerformeplz · 15 April 2010, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sakuraba

What did you need help on?

Mostly the hands issue. It was just seviced but the reciept didnt say anything about changing the hands. He wants 4k for the watch.

moviefreak · 15 April 2010, 02:02 PM

But it looks like it has SEL... will a SEL have tritium???
OP Take a couple of better pictures and post them... full dial image and a full watch front and back... also at the clasp to see if it has gold through the clasp or it is just stainless steel.

beerformeplz · 15 April 2010, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moviefreak

But it looks like it has SEL... will a SEL have tritium???
OP Take a couple of better pictures and post them... full dial image and a full watch front and back... also at the clasp to see if it has gold through the clasp or it is just stainless steel.

Ill take some better photos tommorow., but the clasp does have the gold clasp. serial is k7814** bracelet is maked on clasp93253 and DT3(very hard to read).
Has something marked at the end of the braclet on the gold. I can make out the crown and a series of numbers then another crown. I believe theay are solid end links.

Tools · 15 April 2010, 02:31 PM

a bright light should lite up the dial as well as the hands........ all should be luminova..

The photo is poor......... if the watch is authentic, then 4k is a good price...

padi56 · 15 April 2010, 07:50 PM

Agree with Larry and a K date letter from 2001/2 has got to be Luminova.

bayerische · 15 April 2010, 09:35 PM

Looks like it has lug holes, when was the lug holes discontinued?
What does the dial say? SWISS, SWISS MADE OR SWISS <25T?

beerformeplz · 16 April 2010, 02:05 AM

This has toughest watch to get pics of.

JCirillo · 16 April 2010, 02:28 AM

Was the dial replaced? Thought this vintage sub had Luminova, hard for me to see, but dial appears to have Swiss-T for tritium designation?

beerformeplz · 16 April 2010, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JCirillo

Was the dial replaced? Thought this vintage sub had Luminova, hard for me to see, but dial appears to have Swiss-T for tritium designation?

Thats what I would like to know if everythig is legit. I just took a few more photos Ill post them also.

beerformeplz · 16 April 2010, 02:39 AM

I have no reason to doubt the watch is authentic, Im just puzzled as to why the hands and the pearl have a really nice lume at night but the hour markers have none.

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Clasp (which would date the band to the third quarter 2002)

More shots of the hands outside in the light.

ayres · 16 April 2010, 02:52 AM

hmmm, a recycled dial??? doesn't quite add up. i'd pass.

beerformeplz · 16 April 2010, 02:59 AM

Would the swissT<25 not have come on this watch?

Watch Professor · 16 April 2010, 03:25 AM

Not in favor of TT. I'd pass.

SLS · 16 April 2010, 03:37 AM

The hands & insert were replaced during a service with super luminova. The dial was kept the same, that is what they are brighter.
Scott

kokota · 16 April 2010, 03:57 AM

The DT clasp code matched the K serial but the T<25 on the dial does not. This was should have a "swiss made" dial from new.

Melanotaenia · 16 April 2010, 03:59 AM

what is the difference between a watch that says Swiss T25 compared to "Swiss Made" near the 6 o'clock position?

kokota · 16 April 2010, 04:03 AM

Excuse the typos above. Something happened to my blackberry and I couldn't see text as I was typing.

Christiaan · 16 April 2010, 04:03 AM

for 4k its not a bad deal. Was the movement serviced or just a dial/hands/insert replacement?
Do YOU like the watch?

beerformeplz · 16 April 2010, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christiaan

for 4k its not a bad deal. Was the movement serviced or just a dial/hands/insert replacement?
Do YOU like the watch?

The reciept said " Clean,oil,and adjust movement. Replace all seals,and pressure test. Refinish case and band." Total was $278. Was done at Zimbals in Clearwater Fl.

bewithabob · 16 April 2010, 04:57 AM

Give it back, quick! Just wear something else from your collection! You've got a 14060m you love, right? IMHO, your jeweler is both kind and smart who knows that once you wear the loaner for 3 days you will miss it when it's off your wrist. He has probably been sitting on this for a while, and is just trying to move it.

rad87gn · 16 April 2010, 04:58 AM

That's not the correct dial for a K serial. I wonder if it was converted from black to blue with an older dial?

BMAN8 · 16 April 2010, 05:21 AM

If your question is: should I trade my 14060m? I would say absolutely not. Good luck either way.

15 April 2010, 01:47 PM	#1
beerformeplz "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Pat Location: chesapeake Watch: seadweller Posts: 764	Got this one on a loaner, need help. Local jewler that I have bought previous watches from let me take this one home for a few days. I would really love to keep it but that would mean the 14060m COSC would have to go. One thing i have noticed is the lume on this watch is not there except for the hands and second hand. Its a bright green but nothing on the hour markers. The pearl lights up also. VERY hard to get a decent photo in my house.

15 April 2010, 01:55 PM	#3
sakuraba "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Jib Location: SJ, California Watch: sun dial Posts: 8,189	Very nice 16613. My guess is that it has tritium indices while the hands are luminova and were a recent replacement. It looks nice, but down the road, the indices will fade to a nicer shade of yellow while the hands will remain bright white. I would keep the 14060 in case you were entertaining thoughts on a trade. What did you need help on? __________________ F 14000 AirKing black F 16710 GMT Pepsi F 16570 Explorer II white T 16600 SD D 16610 LV "fine quality is remembered long after the pain of spending money" -Steve Mulholland

15 April 2010, 02:02 PM	#5
moviefreak "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: in my house... Posts: 5,524	But it looks like it has SEL... will a SEL have tritium??? OP Take a couple of better pictures and post them... full dial image and a full watch front and back... also at the clasp to see if it has gold through the clasp or it is just stainless steel. __________________ Cheers, Eduardo Be a WIS not a WUSS... and remove all the stickers..

15 April 2010, 02:31 PM	#7
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	a bright light should lite up the dial as well as the hands........ all should be luminova.. The photo is poor......... if the watch is authentic, then 4k is a good price... __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

15 April 2010, 07:50 PM	#8
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,063	Agree with Larry and a K date letter from 2001/2 has got to be Luminova. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

15 April 2010, 09:35 PM	#9
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	Looks like it has lug holes, when was the lug holes discontinued? What does the dial say? SWISS, SWISS MADE OR SWISS <25T? __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

16 April 2010, 02:05 AM	#10
beerformeplz "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Pat Location: chesapeake Watch: seadweller Posts: 764	This has toughest watch to get pics of.

16 April 2010, 02:28 AM	#11
JCirillo "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: John Cirillo Location: Manhattan Watch: Explorer II 216570 Posts: 119	Was the dial replaced? Thought this vintage sub had Luminova, hard for me to see, but dial appears to have Swiss-T for tritium designation?

16 April 2010, 02:39 AM	#13
beerformeplz "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Pat Location: chesapeake Watch: seadweller Posts: 764	I have no reason to doubt the watch is authentic, Im just puzzled as to why the hands and the pearl have a really nice lume at night but the hour markers have none. end link Clasp (which would date the band to the third quarter 2002) More shots of the hands outside in the light.

16 April 2010, 02:52 AM	#14
ayres "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: honolulu Watch: whatever runs Posts: 551	hmmm, a recycled dial??? doesn't quite add up. i'd pass.

16 April 2010, 02:59 AM	#15
beerformeplz "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Pat Location: chesapeake Watch: seadweller Posts: 764	Would the swissT<25 not have come on this watch?

16 April 2010, 03:25 AM	#16
Watch Professor "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Myron Location: New York Watch: GMT IIC; Sub Date Posts: 3,166	Not in favor of TT. I'd pass.

16 April 2010, 03:37 AM	#17
SLS "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Scott Location: GMT -7 Watch: GMT's & Sub's Posts: 10,401	The hands & insert were replaced during a service with super luminova. The dial was kept the same, that is what they are brighter. Scott __________________ "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of lower price is forgotten." -Benjamin Franklin Member No. 922

16 April 2010, 03:57 AM	#18
kokota 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 1,276	The DT clasp code matched the K serial but the T<25 on the dial does not. This was should have a "swiss made" dial from new.

16 April 2010, 03:59 AM	#19
Melanotaenia "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Jonathan Location: NYC Watch: Explorers and Subs Posts: 620	what is the difference between a watch that says Swiss T25 compared to "Swiss Made" near the 6 o'clock position?

16 April 2010, 04:03 AM	#20
kokota 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 1,276	Excuse the typos above. Something happened to my blackberry and I couldn't see text as I was typing.

16 April 2010, 04:03 AM	#21
Christiaan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Christiaan Location: Fort Mill, SC Watch: 67' Breitling Navi Posts: 1,617	for 4k its not a bad deal. Was the movement serviced or just a dial/hands/insert replacement? Do YOU like the watch? __________________ "Give me the luxuries of life and I will willingly do without the necessities" Frank Lloyd Wright. "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been and there you will long to return." DaVinci

16 April 2010, 04:57 AM	#23
bewithabob "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Bob Location: Dallas, Texas Watch: Daytona Meteorite Posts: 3,417	Give it back, quick! Just wear something else from your collection! You've got a 14060m you love, right? IMHO, your jeweler is both kind and smart who knows that once you wear the loaner for 3 days you will miss it when it's off your wrist. He has probably been sitting on this for a while, and is just trying to move it. __________________ meteor flying to Earth onto my wrist... 116509 Daytona Meteorite, 116520 Daytona Black, 116710 GMTIIC, 16013 DATEJUST, CARTIER SANTOS 100 W20090X8, IWC Big Pilot, IWC Top Gun "Everything works out in the end. If it hasn't worked out, it's not the end."

16 April 2010, 04:58 AM	#24
rad87gn "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Chad Location: Des Moines, Iowa Watch: Rolex, PAM, Omega Posts: 1,607	That's not the correct dial for a K serial. I wonder if it was converted from black to blue with an older dial? __________________ Rolex P-Series SS GMT II Black, Rolex Y-Series Sea-Dweller, Rolex F-Series TT Blue Sub, Rolex F-Series Sub LV, Rolex D-Series Ladies SS/WG DJ for wife, Panerai K-Series PAM 112, Omega Speedmaster Pro 3570.50, Omega Seamaster 300M Chrono 2594.52

16 April 2010, 05:21 AM	#25
BMAN8 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: CAN Posts: 629	If your question is: should I trade my 14060m? I would say absolutely not. Good luck either way.

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