I was told my 5513 is relumed and has aftermarket hands!!!

[Nicko]

Come on, I'm shocked! I don't believe it for a minute. I have posted countless pics and this watch was sold to a forum member by Steve M and never was any mention of relume or aftermarket hands! I was thinking of trading my 5513 for a 1680 and was told by the perspective trader the above....

Here's the original listing here on TRF when I traded the watch...

http://************/showthread.php?t=124836


Here are my pics...


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...o/DSC00802.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...o/DSC00803.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...DSC00515-1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...o/DSC00801.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...o/e3ff0582.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...o/DSC00800.jpg

You tell me! Come on, what is this guy trying to pull on me. Aftermarket? Relume!!!!

Help!

[padi56]

Well IMHO it all looks original down to the very nice patina, opinions are like A-ols every ones got one, but some are more full of S### than others.

[Andad]

Provenance on older watches is sometimes difficult to assess but that looks good to me Nicko.
What does he have to back up his assessment?

[Chris B]

Sounds like he's got cold feet or wants you lower your trade price

[Nicko]

nbtimes is the trader, I would love for you to chime in and tell us how and why you arrived at this conclusion.

Originally Posted by padi56

Well IMHO it all looks original down to the very nice patina, opinions are like A-ols every ones got one, but some are more full of S### than others.

[RLX-lvr]

Dial looks great . Really love the tone of the plots.
Hands look to be a different colour in the pictures, and could have been changed at sometime. But look real as well.

[Nicko]

The hands match perfect. Just the pics. I dont understand this guy.

[stevemulholland3]

I remember that watch and I can tell you right now that the watch is 100%..
and if there's anyone who makes aftermarket hands that good then we are all in big trouble!

[mcjp6]

The hands do look to have aged at a different rate to the dial but that can happen. What can also happen is that hands and dials are swapped around by sellers, for various reasons.

To be fair to aelvin, he does not claim in his listing that the hands are original to the watch. Maybe he does/did not know. Have you asked the previous seller Steve M?

Aftermarket/fake is a different thing altogether and unlikely to be proven one way or the other from those photo's.

I guess the only way to be 100% is to take it to your RSC and ask them for a quote for service, they will soon tell you if fake. let us know how you go.

[TurboWatch]

If the watch indeed originated from Steven M then you have absolutely nothing to worry about. He's a straight shooter, and is an experienced trader. That 5513 meters first dial looks fine to me, same with the dial. The plots look consistent with what I've seen, it does not have that puffiness of a relumed dial. The hands appear to be a shade or 2 darker than the dial which is typical of Rolex, because they probably did not come from the same manufacturer/supplier.

Having said that, nbtimes ( Ben ) is a gentleman known for his fine time pieces and his trading practices over VRF and TZ. It could be that the quality of the scans you provided him weren't good enough. Try to get some direct close-ups of the dial and the hands for him. Knowing Ben, I sincerely doubt that he talks down on your watch in order to extract a bit more money from you.

[Nicko]

He emails me asking if i knew the watch was relumed with aftermarket hands and if id like to buy his 1680 outright. I hate people like that, now i think my watch has problems!

[Speed]

Will all RSCs take on the task of authenticating Vintage watches? I thought RSCs will not even service some "older" rolexes.

Vintage is definitely a tough arena to play in...

[mcjp6]

Originally Posted by Speed

Will all RSCs take on the task of authenticating Vintage watches? I thought RSCs will not even service some "older" rolexes.

Vintage is definitely a tough arena to play in...

In my experience the RSC is Sydney will certainly service watches from the 70's.

You can take your watch in to obtain a quote for service, at no cost. If its fake or it contains fake parts.....you will be told.

[BASSETHOUNDS]

Originally Posted by Nicko

He emails me asking if i knew the watch was relumed with aftermarket hands and if id like to buy his 1680 outright. I hate people like that, now i think my watch has problems!

Look at the bright side Steve ... you now no longer worry about those brownish spots nor if you bought a aftermarket superdome instead of an original

This watch came from Steven , and as he says that it is original I would say IT IS ORIGINAL . Now I remember that you posted that the watch had been serviced twice in as many years .. I only hope nothing was altered during one of these operations .

[Rolex Junky]

Originally Posted by Nicko

now i think my watch has problems!

Sorry Nicko, its not the watch; its you! Dont be so insecure. He's just trying to lowball himself a good deal at your expense.

[Safetrends]

Steve only sells Rolex watches that are authentic inside and out, do not worry about it insted enjoy the watch for me it is a grail watch.

[PhilM]

That'a a pretty bold statment to come out with... and having looked at your pics I would say that you've nothing to worry about

[sakuraba]

FWIW it looks fine to me.

I also wouldn't trade it for anything. With vintage watches, it's very hard to find a watch with the hands and dial in the condition yours is in.

If it passed through SteveM as recently as it did, I wouldn't sweat it.

If you're taking a poll, my vote would be to keep it.

[2th Dr]

Originally Posted by stevemulholland3

I remember that watch and I can tell you right now that the watch is 100%..
and if there's anyone who makes aftermarket hands that good then we are all in big trouble!

There ya go Steve! That's good enough for me!

[Safetrends]

The hands are really hard to find for the 5513 they can go for up to 500.00 USD and the fake ones look like poo.

[mike]

Maybe it's the photos. I'm not seeing what Ben is talking about.

[gigva]

The bezel is a service bezel.

I can't clearly see the color of the hands...do they look "yellow-gold" or "silver-steel"?

[BASSETHOUNDS]

Originally Posted by gigva

The bezel is a service bezel.

I can't clearly see the color of the hands...do they look "yellow-gold" or "silver-steel"?

I'm sure that Steve is aware about the service bezel and he knew that when he bought the watch .

[BASSETHOUNDS]

Originally Posted by Rolex Junky

Sorry Nicko, its not the watch; its you! Dont be so insecure. He's just trying to lowball himself a good deal at your expense.

2X , He is bluffing and hopes you give in . Just a poker game

[Subfiend]

Originally Posted by BASSETHOUNDS

2X , He is bluffing and hopes you give in . Just a poker game

Bingo! Next he will be telling you that the lugs have been over polished and they're too thin. This happens all the time.

[Safetrends]

Originally Posted by Subfiend

Bingo! Next he will be telling you that the lugs have been over polished and they're too thin. This happens all the time.

[InVision]

I will place my bet with Steve... Have any takers? Mike

[BASSETHOUNDS]

Originally Posted by InVision

I will place my bet with Steve... Have any takers? Mike

My money is on Steven anytime of the day . I'm a client of Steven and I will certainly be again . Guy is AAA rated in my book

[Nicko]

Thanks for all the comments guys, when this joker emailed me the following I almost sh&t...

Hi Steven, yes, I got all the scans, thx!I'm sorry to tell that I don't like the watch cuz the dial is relumed and the hands are after-market. Don't you know about that?

I almost broke down an teared up....But then I thought about it, how dare he say that after all I went through with the Tudor and now this! This watch is 100% legit and worth what it's worth which is what it was sold to Alven for and then some. I have copies of the emails between Alven and Steve M. and I will tell you this watch is one of the best you can find. Steven, I never doubted you hence why I traded with a watch that originated with you.

Here's the kicker....This afternoon I received an email from and anonymous source asking me if I wanted to sell the watch outright! Can you believe it! This is a scam IMO.

Here's the email..

Would you consider selling your watch outright?

Do you know this guy Ben has 2 accounts here on TRF? Sure, check it out...

nbtimes and caeden

IMO a shady guy and if I had him in front of me I'd punch him in the nose!

[Nicko]

Just received this from this guy again a few minutes ago!

I am sorry I offended you but I didn't try to do anything on you, I am just telling you the truth.*
Good luck.