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Shade · 1 July 2010, 06:11 PM

Hi guys, here the situation..

An AD has a MINT USED condition of a PAM 233 (8 days), i Series, comes with Box and Papers for sale.

I could trade up my L series 312 (3 days), with box and papers also in MINT condition, and add up around 3700 USD.

Or I could also offer my 312 and my Bell n Ross BLU (Limited Edition 46mm), and go for a rollover for the 233...

But that would mean 2 watches for 1...

Is it worthed? Should I do it? What do you guys think?

Btw, the 233 has been there for a while now, they even lowered the price since I first saw it by about 400 USD.

Psmith · 1 July 2010, 09:06 PM

I would keep the 312 - prefer the cleaner look/lack of fang and can take or leave the dome. But if the 233 is singing your song...

Cheers

Trurolexer · 1 July 2010, 09:37 PM

If you like it, go for it. Good luck.

paulshih · 1 July 2010, 11:33 PM

keep the 312!! ok, maybe i'm biased...! i prefer the cleaner look, and it seems that many of the 233 models have issues with the movement...

B. Doggy · 2 July 2010, 01:03 AM

I'd stick with the 312 myself. It just depends how much the 233 screams and yells at you though...

Shade · 2 July 2010, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B. Doggy

I'd stick with the 312 myself. It just depends how much the 233 screams and yells at you though...

Doesnt really scream to me, just thought it might be an interesting idea.. Thanks verynmuch though guys, I think I will keep my 312 for now..

dotcomakazee · 2 July 2010, 04:46 AM

I traded my 312 for a 233 and couldn't be happier. :)

ocwatching · 2 July 2010, 05:39 AM

the 233 fits differently on the wrist...and a different watch..it is well regarded by PAM guys...kinnda like the daytona..

all up to you..but at 3700usd is a bit much...
a little less than 3kusd maybe...

they have been dropping in value lately...

m_reign · 2 July 2010, 07:45 AM

If it were me, I would keep the 312.

Shade · 2 July 2010, 12:03 PM

Just to feed my curiosity - why are the 233s dropping value as of late? So below 3k would be reasonable?

B. Doggy · 3 July 2010, 01:13 AM

It's my understanding that the 233 goes in and out of popularity. Prices often reflect this trend. It's a nice watch though...

hutchman · 3 July 2010, 02:17 AM

I'd trade in a heartbeat! I own both and while the 312 is nice the 233 is far nicer. If you compare 2010 MSRP the 233 is almost twice as much. 14,700 compared to 7,400 for the 312. $3700 difference seems almost too good to be true even if you compare preowned prices you are getting a fantastic deal.

mike · 3 July 2010, 05:23 AM

The 312 is a stunner, but the 233 is a whole nuther animal--and it's a GMT.

jvo300 · 3 July 2010, 07:39 AM

Agree with hutchman. Seems like a good oportunity to trade up if that is your hearts desire.

ocwatching · 3 July 2010, 08:06 AM

the 233 has been hovering in the hight $8k and low $9k for a few month...I think this is due to the pending release of the new watches from SIHH..and people are selling their pieces to fund new one...good time for you!

Shade · 6 July 2010, 10:58 AM

I'm still thinking about it - but I do feel the 312 is cleaner... The GMT feature isn't something I need/use, so I can live without it... the dial and the 8 days reserve is the one that intrigues me. :)

dukerules · 6 July 2010, 11:25 AM

I have a 312, and I'm a huge fan. The 233 is a bit more special though IMO. It's got a, horologically-speaking, more impressive movement, a nicely domed crystal (which works so well with the 1950 case), and a nicely-executed GMT complication. In addition, it is my impression that the 233 gets a whole lot more respect among the Paneristi set than the 312. All that said, I think the 312 delivers in spades for a watch priced significantly less than the 233. It's incredibly clean, and manages the seconds subdial, the "9" on the dial, and a cyclops-less date. It's extremely versatile, and can be dressed up and down depending on the strap. One drawback, however, is the thickness of the case. I think if you want bang for the buck, the 312, 351, and 359 are Panerai's best offerings in the Luminor range. If you can spend a bit more, the 233 is a stunning piece.

1 July 2010, 06:11 PM	#1
Shade "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Norman Location: Jakarta Watch: All of 'em.. Posts: 2,926	Trading up my 312 for 233? Hi guys, here the situation.. An AD has a MINT USED condition of a PAM 233 (8 days), i Series, comes with Box and Papers for sale. I could trade up my L series 312 (3 days), with box and papers also in MINT condition, and add up around 3700 USD. Or I could also offer my 312 and my Bell n Ross BLU (Limited Edition 46mm), and go for a rollover for the 233... But that would mean 2 watches for 1... Is it worthed? Should I do it? What do you guys think? Btw, the 233 has been there for a while now, they even lowered the price since I first saw it by about 400 USD.

1 July 2010, 09:06 PM	#2
Psmith "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Clive Location: Exoplanet Watch: spring-driven Posts: 38,856	I would keep the 312 - prefer the cleaner look/lack of fang and can take or leave the dome. But if the 233 is singing your song... Cheers __________________

2 July 2010, 01:03 AM	#5
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	I'd stick with the 312 myself. It just depends how much the 233 screams and yells at you though... __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

2 July 2010, 04:46 AM	#7
dotcomakazee "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Ty Location: Irving, TX Watch: Exp II 42mm Posts: 919	I traded my 312 for a 233 and couldn't be happier. :) __________________ Rolex Explorer II 42mm • Panerai 389 47mm

2 July 2010, 05:39 AM	#8
ocwatching "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Phil Location: CA Posts: 5,374	the 233 fits differently on the wrist...and a different watch..it is well regarded by PAM guys...kinnda like the daytona.. all up to you..but at 3700usd is a bit much... a little less than 3kusd maybe... they have been dropping in value lately... __________________ too much into watches...

1 July 2010, 09:37 PM	#3
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	If you like it, go for it. Good luck.

1 July 2010, 11:33 PM	#4
paulshih "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Real Name: Paul Location: Taipei, Taiwan Watch: PP5711 BLUE Posts: 49	keep the 312!! ok, maybe i'm biased...! i prefer the cleaner look, and it seems that many of the 233 models have issues with the movement...

2 July 2010, 07:45 AM	#9
m_reign "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 860	If it were me, I would keep the 312.

2 July 2010, 12:03 PM	#10
Shade "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Norman Location: Jakarta Watch: All of 'em.. Posts: 2,926	Just to feed my curiosity - why are the 233s dropping value as of late? So below 3k would be reasonable?

3 July 2010, 01:13 AM	#11
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	It's my understanding that the 233 goes in and out of popularity. Prices often reflect this trend. It's a nice watch though... __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

3 July 2010, 02:17 AM	#12
hutchman "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Real Name: Mike Watch: All things Patek Posts: 515	I'd trade in a heartbeat! I own both and while the 312 is nice the 233 is far nicer. If you compare 2010 MSRP the 233 is almost twice as much. 14,700 compared to 7,400 for the 312. $3700 difference seems almost too good to be true even if you compare preowned prices you are getting a fantastic deal. __________________ "There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can count, and those who can't" Warren Buffett

3 July 2010, 05:23 AM	#13
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	The 312 is a stunner, but the 233 is a whole nuther animal--and it's a GMT.

3 July 2010, 07:39 AM	#14
jvo300 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: TX Posts: 1,897	Agree with hutchman. Seems like a good oportunity to trade up if that is your hearts desire.

3 July 2010, 08:06 AM	#15
ocwatching "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Phil Location: CA Posts: 5,374	the 233 has been hovering in the hight $8k and low $9k for a few month...I think this is due to the pending release of the new watches from SIHH..and people are selling their pieces to fund new one...good time for you! __________________ too much into watches...

6 July 2010, 10:58 AM	#16
Shade "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Norman Location: Jakarta Watch: All of 'em.. Posts: 2,926	I'm still thinking about it - but I do feel the 312 is cleaner... The GMT feature isn't something I need/use, so I can live without it... the dial and the 8 days reserve is the one that intrigues me. :)

6 July 2010, 11:25 AM	#17
dukerules "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NC, USA Posts: 681	I have a 312, and I'm a huge fan. The 233 is a bit more special though IMO. It's got a, horologically-speaking, more impressive movement, a nicely domed crystal (which works so well with the 1950 case), and a nicely-executed GMT complication. In addition, it is my impression that the 233 gets a whole lot more respect among the Paneristi set than the 312. All that said, I think the 312 delivers in spades for a watch priced significantly less than the 233. It's incredibly clean, and manages the seconds subdial, the "9" on the dial, and a cyclops-less date. It's extremely versatile, and can be dressed up and down depending on the strap. One drawback, however, is the thickness of the case. I think if you want bang for the buck, the 312, 351, and 359 are Panerai's best offerings in the Luminor range. If you can spend a bit more, the 233 is a stunning piece. __________________ Instagram: dukerules

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