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scarhead · 15 August 2010, 03:01 AM

I was at an AD the other day picking up a watch I was having repaired and on my way out I stopped by the Rolex display case to look. An older gentleman came by and we started talking about the Rolex Day Date Platinum that was in the case. He was wearing one that was a few years old (an F series I believe). The clerk then joined us in the discussion. The clerk, albeit very friendly, told the gentleman that the Rolex he was wearing was fake. He couldn't believe it. In fact, I thought he was going to have a heart attack. The hands on his Day Date had the lume and the clerk said that this reference never had this. The gentleman said he purchased the watch second hand a few years ago from his attorney and it came with box and papers. The clerk said there wasn't anyone else in the store at the time to help authenticate it. I was running short on time and had to leave so I don't know what the outcome of this was. Does anyone here know if this is true?

Renoir · 15 August 2010, 03:09 AM

The AD is incorrect. I have seen platinum Day-Dates with lume, both tritium or lumina, depending on the year. The later models are even offered with lume batons (ice blue dial) and matching hands.

I would've blasted that clerk and asked for the manager so she could be properly trained. Even at Turdneau, the salespeople are trained not to offer an unsolicited opinion about a customers watch.

Dr.Brian · 15 August 2010, 03:11 AM

I don't know if it was ever offered that way, but if you can afford a platinum DD, or any rolex, you can afford to have whatever hands you want to have installed. I would want to replace mine with lumed hands if they were not available, and I would simply get some.
Never trust an AD. When this guy finds out that it's real, that store will almost certainly lose a well heeled customer.

Welshwatchman · 15 August 2010, 03:12 AM

I think the clerk may well be correct.

Whether it was his/her duty to burst the guy's bubble is another matter.

Should have just concentrated on selling the one in stock to him.

HL65 · 15 August 2010, 03:12 AM

Renoir is correct--the AD is wrong!!

The GMT Master · 15 August 2010, 03:14 AM

It depends entirely on the dial. If it was a baton dial, then the hands would be luminous as well - if it was a Roman dial, for example, then it wouldn't be right for the hands to have lume.

HL65 · 15 August 2010, 03:18 AM

Exactly--there are plenty for sale with luminous hands--Romans are not.

Renoir · 15 August 2010, 03:19 AM

Here are two examples:

18206 factory diamond dial(not mine, mine has no lume):

118206:

padi56 · 15 August 2010, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Renoir

The AD is incorrect. I have seen platinum Day-Dates with lume, both tritium or lumina, depending on the year. The later models are even offered with lume batons (ice blue dial) and matching hands.

I would've blasted that clerk and asked for the manager so she could be properly trained. Even at Turdneau, the salespeople are trained not to offer an unsolicited opinion about a customers watch.

Have to agree about the watches and sales person but some DD diamond dials gold and platinum watches do not have lume hands.As usual another AD talking though where the sun dont shine.

HL65 · 15 August 2010, 03:22 AM

Exactly Renoir--Jon Todd aka Generalwar has that exact one for sale--glacier with Lume now on Ebay.

Dr.Brian · 15 August 2010, 03:24 AM

I love that 118206! Just perfect. Stealth ultra luxury, but those in the know would recognize it immediately.
MUST RESIST... Checkbook ... NO! Hide the checkbook! ...

scarhead · 15 August 2010, 06:17 AM

I really didn't appreciate the clerk being so blunt and telling the guy his watch was fake. He took it rather well. I'm sure he'll find out she was wrong. The watch he was wearing had diamond markers if that matters.

Joey_V · 15 August 2010, 07:02 AM

Which Chicago AD was this? So I can avoid it next time.

dysondiver · 15 August 2010, 07:14 AM

just out of curiosity , whats the list on a plat with factory diamonds ,,, m almost scared to even ask

Idle Swede · 15 August 2010, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dysondiver

just out of curiosity , whats the list on a plat with factory diamonds ,,, m almost scared to even ask

The new 218206 is $53,550 Tom.

train-time · 15 August 2010, 07:36 AM

Frank, I'm afraid it's another case of an AD employee not knowing his a$$ from a hole in the ground. Romans, diamonds, etc do not have reflective hands, but stick marker dials do. If the dial wasn't stick, it could have been changed somewhere along the line and the hands weren't. Happens all the time, I've even seen it with the wrong date wheel left in the watch after a dial change. RSC would never do it this way, but non-RSC watchmakers do it all the time.

I can't imaging the what would make the employee say that, even if it were the case.

sakuraba · 15 August 2010, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by train-time

I can't imaging the what would make the employee say that, even if it were the case.

+1 Very poor form for someone in the customer relations field.

CShum1221 · 15 August 2010, 10:51 AM

Could be an after market dial.

buke45 · 15 August 2010, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CShum1221

Could be an after market dial.

I would not have to be an aftermarket dial, just not the original dial or hands that came with the watch.

pradeep · 15 August 2010, 02:07 PM

Could be a whole lot of things..!

15 August 2010, 03:01 AM	#1
scarhead "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Chicago Watch: GMT IIC Posts: 370	Day Date Platinum Question I was at an AD the other day picking up a watch I was having repaired and on my way out I stopped by the Rolex display case to look. An older gentleman came by and we started talking about the Rolex Day Date Platinum that was in the case. He was wearing one that was a few years old (an F series I believe). The clerk then joined us in the discussion. The clerk, albeit very friendly, told the gentleman that the Rolex he was wearing was fake. He couldn't believe it. In fact, I thought he was going to have a heart attack. The hands on his Day Date had the lume and the clerk said that this reference never had this. The gentleman said he purchased the watch second hand a few years ago from his attorney and it came with box and papers. The clerk said there wasn't anyone else in the store at the time to help authenticate it. I was running short on time and had to leave so I don't know what the outcome of this was. Does anyone here know if this is true?

15 August 2010, 03:11 AM	#3
Dr.Brian 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: CA dreamin' Watch: ing the market. Posts: 5,906	I don't know if it was ever offered that way, but if you can afford a platinum DD, or any rolex, you can afford to have whatever hands you want to have installed. I would want to replace mine with lumed hands if they were not available, and I would simply get some. Never trust an AD. When this guy finds out that it's real, that store will almost certainly lose a well heeled customer. __________________ -Brian AUDENTES FORTUNA IUVAT 十人十色

15 August 2010, 03:12 AM	#4
Welshwatchman "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Paul Location: Wales, UK Posts: 14,578	I think the clerk may well be correct. Whether it was his/her duty to burst the guy's bubble is another matter. Should have just concentrated on selling the one in stock to him. __________________ ..33

15 August 2010, 03:12 AM	#5
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 64,008	Renoir is correct--the AD is wrong!! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

15 August 2010, 03:18 AM	#7
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 64,008	Exactly--there are plenty for sale with luminous hands--Romans are not. __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

15 August 2010, 03:09 AM	#2
Renoir "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Renato Location: New York Posts: 2,396	The AD is incorrect. I have seen platinum Day-Dates with lume, both tritium or lumina, depending on the year. The later models are even offered with lume batons (ice blue dial) and matching hands. I would've blasted that clerk and asked for the manager so she could be properly trained. Even at Turdneau, the salespeople are trained not to offer an unsolicited opinion about a customers watch.

15 August 2010, 03:14 AM	#6
The GMT Master "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: England Posts: 8,150	It depends entirely on the dial. If it was a baton dial, then the hands would be luminous as well - if it was a Roman dial, for example, then it wouldn't be right for the hands to have lume.

15 August 2010, 03:19 AM	#8
Renoir "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Renato Location: New York Posts: 2,396	Here are two examples: 18206 factory diamond dial(not mine, mine has no lume): 118206:

15 August 2010, 03:22 AM	#10
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 64,008	Exactly Renoir--Jon Todd aka Generalwar has that exact one for sale--glacier with Lume now on Ebay. __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

15 August 2010, 03:24 AM	#11
Dr.Brian 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: CA dreamin' Watch: ing the market. Posts: 5,906	I love that 118206! Just perfect. Stealth ultra luxury, but those in the know would recognize it immediately. MUST RESIST... Checkbook ... NO! Hide the checkbook! ... __________________ -Brian AUDENTES FORTUNA IUVAT 十人十色

15 August 2010, 06:17 AM	#12
scarhead "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Chicago Watch: GMT IIC Posts: 370	I really didn't appreciate the clerk being so blunt and telling the guy his watch was fake. He took it rather well. I'm sure he'll find out she was wrong. The watch he was wearing had diamond markers if that matters.

15 August 2010, 07:02 AM	#13
Joey_V "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Joey Location: Dallas, TX Watch: SS Sub 16610 M Posts: 3,824	Which Chicago AD was this? So I can avoid it next time. __________________ Current Rotation: Rolex Submariner Date (M) - 1/08, Rolex Milgauss GV (V) - 2/10, Rolex SS Black Daytona (V) - 6/10, Rolex GMTIIC (G) - 5/11, TAG Heuer Silverstone (286/1860) - 1/2015 Former-watches: Omega PO/2535.80/2254, TAG Carrera/F1x2/Monaco, Panerai 312K/292L Wish List: Panerai 270/505, Rolex SMURF, Rolex RG Daytona, Rolex DSSD

15 August 2010, 07:14 AM	#14
dysondiver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: tom Location: northern ireland Watch: my fins Posts: 10,063	just out of curiosity , whats the list on a plat with factory diamonds ,,, m almost scared to even ask

15 August 2010, 07:36 AM	#16
train-time 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Plankton Location: US Watch: less Posts: 4,161	Frank, I'm afraid it's another case of an AD employee not knowing his a$$ from a hole in the ground. Romans, diamonds, etc do not have reflective hands, but stick marker dials do. If the dial wasn't stick, it could have been changed somewhere along the line and the hands weren't. Happens all the time, I've even seen it with the wrong date wheel left in the watch after a dial change. RSC would never do it this way, but non-RSC watchmakers do it all the time. I can't imaging the what would make the employee say that, even if it were the case.

15 August 2010, 10:51 AM	#18
CShum1221 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 89	Could be an after market dial. __________________ C. - Rolex Addict _________________________________________________ 118238,116523,116233,116203,116234,116264,16610LV, 16570,16710,78274,116200,16220, Calatrava 5119J, 5711A

15 August 2010, 02:07 PM	#20
pradeep "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Pradeep Location: In a crazy world! Watch: Rolex Day Dates Posts: 265	Could be a whole lot of things..!

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