Height & Weight Difference Daytona & Tudor Chrono

[tudorlex]

Can anyone advise the height & weight difference between a Daytona & a 79280 Tudor Chrono, say circa mid 90's?

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by tudorlex

Can anyone advise the height & weight difference between a Daytona & a 79280 Tudor Chrono, say circa mid 90's?

Don't have a Daytona to compare but the mid 90's Tudor chrono is about 13mm in height, so should be taller than the Daytona.
dP

[Casey VP-26]

Tudor 14.19mm without cyclops, Daytona 16520 12.69mm, Hope this helps

[Casey VP-26]

Tudor Model #79270 14.19mm W/O cyclops, Daytona #16520 12.69mm. Hope this helps.

[16grandrolex]

I think I read somewhere that a Tudor doesn't even have a Rolex movement, it uses an ETA (Swatch) mechanical movement instead.

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by 16grandrolex

I think I read somewhere that a Tudor doesn't even have a Rolex movement, it uses an ETA (Swatch) mechanical movement instead.

That's correct. Rolex uses chronometer grade ETA movements and further modifies them to their specs.
Very high quality, yet less expensive movements sourced from ETA allowed Tudor to offer the Rolex Oyster at a lower price point, back in the days both brands used the same design.
dP

[tudorlex]

thanks for advising the height measurements. Any idea of weight differences?

[padi56]

Originally Posted by 16grandrolex

I think I read somewhere that a Tudor doesn't even have a Rolex movement, it uses an ETA (Swatch) mechanical movement instead.

Well its only since Rolex made there first ever chronograph movement around 2000.As before all the Rolex chronographs the movements were made by ETA Valjoux (Swatch) like in the Paul Newman Daytona's and later ones were made by Zenith.The Tudor uses one of the most respected chronograph made today the Valjoux 7750 the top grade chronometer spec.Now this movement is used in many many high end brands.And in to proportion when tested at Swiss COSC it has one of the highest first time pass rate on record.

Originally Posted by tudorlex

anyone able to advise the weights of the daytona vs the 79280 circa mid 90's prince date, not big block?
thanks

Don't know why the weight of any watch is all that important but the 16520 Daytona Zenith movement was 123 Grams.The 116520 in-house movement slightly modded case was 140 Grams the Tudor should be a few grams heavier

[Jackxv]

Originally Posted by padi56

the Valjoux 7750 the top grade chronometer spec.

Respected for being a workhorse, and reliable.

But don't compare the construction of it with the higher grade chronos :

- 4130
- Zenith el Primero
- Breitling B01

In my opinion the eta 28XX with the DD module is inferior

Jack

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Jackxv

Respected for being a workhorse, and reliable.

But don't compare the construction of it with the higher grade chronos :

- 4130
- Zenith el Primero
- Breitling B01

In my opinion the eta 28XX with the DD module is inferior

Jack

Well IMHO being a workhorse and a well proved track record for accuracy plus longevity of life and reliability speaks volumes for the 7750 series.While I would agree the construction is for economy of manufacture and very easy service. But thats not a bad thing just like some mediocre in-house movements, in-house made, is not always better.

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by Jackxv

Respected for being a workhorse, and reliable.

But don't compare the construction of it with the higher grade chronos :

- 4130
- Zenith el Primero
- Breitling B01

In my opinion the eta 28XX with the DD module is inferior

Jack

The ETA w/ DD module is not the same as the 7750. I would have no problem comparing a chronometer grade 7750 with those movements listed above.
dP

[Jackxv]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

The ETA w/ DD module is not the same as the 7750. I would have no problem comparing a chronometer grade 7750 with those movements listed above.
dP

Offcourse , the 7750 is base for many watchmakers. Even the most complicated IWC ever was built on this base.


Jack

[Michael M.]

The Tudor is definitely thicker than the daytona!

[tudorlex]

anyone able to advise the weights of the daytona vs the 79280 circa mid 90's prince date, not big block?
thanks

[Colnago]

Well...if it's "reliable", a "workhorse" and can I add, accurate and possessing a good power reserve (I got 53 hours out of one of my 7750's)....can I say that the construction will matter not one jot to 99.9999% of owners.....there is no clear caseback option anywhere for a Tudor Chrono (79260, 79270 or 79280) so the only person ever to see the construction would be the guy servicing it.......so why would the construction even matter?.....I am not saying the movements you mention are not better but I cannot understand how you feel from an owner's perspective that they cannot be compared?

Beat me to it Padi!!

[InVision]

I like the Tudor Chronos... I actually use the date function a lot. Had a "M" Daytona and they wear very comparable except the Tudor has a slight "Wooble" when it winds. Don't get me wrong, I like the Daytona clasp, it is one of the best designs out there.

[johnbeth]

Very informative thread, Thanks to DP and Padi!

[Chris B]

Originally Posted by johnbeth

Very informative thread, Thanks to DP and Padi!

[vukotab]

I really don`t know where and why the hatred for 2894 with DD module?
Reliability? I was talking to many watchmakers (all of them with certificates for servicing brands, like Rolex, Breitling, IWC...) and none of them said anything wrong about it. It`s as reliable as any other high-grade movement put in high quality watch.
Let`s not forget that 2894 is movement inside many Breitling for Bentley watches, which is Breitling`s creme de la creme.
And about piggy-back chrono modules...well, most respected chronograph of our time, AP RO cal. 2326 is basically JLC movement with piggy-backed chrono module riding on it!
So, I think that every movement put inside such watch as Tudor, Breitling, IWC...must be extremely good and reliable, to justify the name of the brand that uses it, and of course, price that you pay for it.
Said that, I would perhaps rather go for older Tudor Chrono than Heritage, not because of movement, but because of unique design, so similar yet so different than legendary Daytona!

[padi56]

Originally Posted by vukotab

I really don`t know where and why the hatred for 2894 with DD module?
Reliability? I was talking to many watchmakers (all of them with certificates for servicing brands, like Rolex, Breitling, IWC...) and none of them said anything wrong about it. It`s as reliable as any other high-grade movement put in high quality watch.
Let`s not forget that 2894 is movement inside many Breitling for Bentley watches, which is Breitling`s creme de la creme.
And about piggy-back chrono modules...well, most respected chronograph of our time, AP RO cal. 2326 is basically JLC movement with piggy-backed chrono module riding on it!
So, I think that every movement put inside such watch as Tudor, Breitling, IWC...must be extremely good and reliable, to justify the name of the brand that uses it, and of course, price that you pay for it.
Said that, I would perhaps rather go for older Tudor Chrono than Heritage, not because of movement, but because of unique design, so similar yet so different than legendary Daytona!

I think you mean the ETA 2892 now I would agree it takes a real experienced watchmaker with knowledge of the Dubois-dépraz module to service it.My watchmaker friend stated he had only seen one with a problem and he has serviced a few except for a few reset problems but a easy fix.Now In the module all the main movement wheels are well over engineered and at least 4/5 times thicker and stronger than in most normal movements, plus all pushers, heart cams, and pivots are well over engineered. And the module finish work on all internal parts are too quite a high standard.IMHO even the polishing of heart cam sides for hammer function is excellent and to a very high standard of finish IMHO it is better than Rolex own movement finish.


So what this boils down too if they are properly serviced these modules will last a lifetime of usage.Don't assume all chrono modules are equal now these modules are quite expensive in there own right.So should be serviced with watchmakers who has the credentials and tools to service them but sadly many will not service them, but IMHO thats simply because they don't know how too.IMHO you are looking at an well over engineered chrono module for a wristwatch. But if a say local watchmaker takes your module apart and damages a part, he will have trouble getting it from the manufacturer.These Dubois-dépraz module need precise oiling,plus wheel height and jewel adjustments.Plus the end shake of wheel adjustments and of course the driving wheel seating position from the base 2892 calibre gear must mesh to the module properly, and this can be a very tedious task.

Now IMHO this is one of the main reasons why they have a bad name in the watch service industry not because they are a bad chrono module. Its because they need proper care and service with the correct oils and grease etc.IMHO its a fine chrono module with the excellent ETA 2892 and cannot see any reason with proper service to last a life time and beyond, myself would have no problem buying one.And I would not think that Rolex would have put this combination, into any Rolex Tudor watch if they thought it would ever be a problem movement and did not have the skills to service them.