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harry in montreal · 30 January 2011, 07:09 AM

what are you supposed to think when you see this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Tudor-Submariner...item2eb2c758a8

TimeToGo · 30 January 2011, 07:13 AM

shill bidding!

arttay10 · 30 January 2011, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TimeToGo

shill bidding!

I agree.....

DallasDiamonds · 30 January 2011, 09:12 AM

what is shill bidding? I'm confused?

DallasDiamonds · 30 January 2011, 09:13 AM

Another word for cheating on eBay?

Porsche · 30 January 2011, 09:36 AM

What's the giveaway that it was shill? Love to learn how to spot these bids...?

Cannop · 30 January 2011, 10:44 AM

The most consistent bidder (who ended up winning) has an ebay rating of zero.

oinkitt · 30 January 2011, 11:32 AM

As a person who has been going to auctions for 32 years and using eBay for 12 years I can’t see how you could say with any certainty that there has been shill bidding in this case.

It could just be a case of a new ebayer getting excited/not really understanding eBay and bidding foolishly.

I am not saying for sure that is the case either way. I sure wouldnt bet my house on either being true. Who gives a pigs ass anyway !!!!!!!!!! Some of us need to find better things to do than worry about such things that dont even effect us !!!!!

Remember any system can be manipulated !!!!

Pay what you want to pay = no problems.

sea-dweller · 30 January 2011, 11:38 AM

It's been shilled by the zero feedback bidder, probably the seller himself!

Warnsboy · 30 January 2011, 01:32 PM

He needs to learn how to do it....could have sold for a decent price.....I bid against a shill (didn't know what it was called) bidder once and let him have it to himself 3 minutes before the end

springer · 30 January 2011, 01:57 PM

It sold for $2300. Whether it was a shill bidder or not, the selling price is reasonable and a very fair price.

I tend to agree with some of the other posts here, that when I see a lot of "0" feedback bids, it is usually a big red flag to me.

harry in montreal · 30 January 2011, 03:09 PM

Adrian Oinkitt said; "Some of us need to find better things to do than worry about such things that dont even effect us !!!!!"

I find your comment rude... or maybe you dont understand how auctions work.

how do you know i was unaffected? if you were interested in bidding on the item, would you consider yourself unaffected? i have an idea for something better you can do with your time; how about determine if Australia has laws against shill bidding an auction.

harry in montreal · 30 January 2011, 03:11 PM

then check out the watch on Timezone marketplace priced at 2400.

oinkitt · 30 January 2011, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by harry in montreal

Adrian Oinkitt said; "Some of us need to find better things to do than worry about such things that dont even effect us !!!!!"

I find your comment rude... or maybe you dont understand how auctions work.

how do you know i was unaffected? if you were interested in bidding on the item, would you consider yourself unaffected? i have an idea for something better you can do with your time; how about determine if Australia has laws against shill bidding an auction.

I am smart enough to know it doesnt matter weather of not there are laws against something, it dont mean it aint gonna happen!!!!!!

If you dont like the game - get out of it !!!!!!!!!

I again state - THERE IS NO CONCLUSIVE EVEDENCE THAT SHILL BIDDING HAS OCCURED IN THIS INSTANCE !!!!!!! If you KNOW different perhaps you can tell me the winning numbers in lotto next week !!!!!

What if your so called "shill" bidder had 203 auctions under his belt - you still couldnt say for sure weather it had been shilled or not.

Hell I am glad im not charged with murdering my wife, with you on the jury !!!

harry in montreal · 30 January 2011, 04:16 PM

I am not surprised that you did not answer my questions. This is further "evedence" as you put it that you do not understand how auctions function. (after 35 years?)

I sincerely hope that all your future ebay endeavors involve being outbid by 0 rated bidders. then i hope you see the seller on a board offering the watch for slightly more.

cheers

oinkitt · 30 January 2011, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by harry in montreal

I am not surprised that you did not answer my questions. This is further "evedence" as you put it that you do not understand how auctions function. (after 35 years?)

I sincerely hope that all your future ebay endeavors involve being outbid by 0 rated bidders. then i hope you see the seller on a board offering the watch for slightly more.

cheers

None of your questions warrented answering.

You can not be 100% sure this listing has been shilled

Its a pitty I dont understand how an auction works considering I spend over 500k at auction every year.

I dont care if anyone outbids me, even if its the vender!!! You should also have the same attitude. If the item has been shilled, you were never going to get it for your price - go on to the next one, and get over it !!!!!!!!!

andypandy · 30 January 2011, 05:45 PM

I am amazed that two strangers can be so rude to each other over such a trivial matter !
Lighten up gentlemen , watch forums do not exist for grown men to indulge in such petty
rudeness. I'm off to chapel now , God bless you all !

oinkitt · 30 January 2011, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andypandy

I am amazed that two strangers can be so rude to each other over such a trivial matter !
Lighten up gentlemen , watch forums do not exist for grown men to indulge in such petty
rudeness. I'm off to chapel now , God bless you all !

I’m just being direct. I dont personally care what anyone says or thinks about me

I am trying to point out one should only make claims they can substantiate.

padi56 · 30 January 2011, 08:31 PM

Guys this is TRF and what goes on on ebay should stop on ebay its that simple topic closed..

30 January 2011, 07:09 AM	#1
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30 January 2011, 09:36 AM	#6
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30 January 2011, 10:44 AM	#7
Cannop "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: Duncan Location: UK Watch: Lots Posts: 443	The most consistent bidder (who ended up winning) has an ebay rating of zero. __________________ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "The quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten" - Sir Henry Royce (1863 -1933) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

30 January 2011, 11:32 AM	#8
oinkitt "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 259	Shill bidding?????????????????? As a person who has been going to auctions for 32 years and using eBay for 12 years I can’t see how you could say with any certainty that there has been shill bidding in this case. It could just be a case of a new ebayer getting excited/not really understanding eBay and bidding foolishly. I am not saying for sure that is the case either way. I sure wouldnt bet my house on either being true. Who gives a pigs ass anyway !!!!!!!!!! Some of us need to find better things to do than worry about such things that dont even effect us !!!!! Remember any system can be manipulated !!!! Pay what you want to pay = no problems. Last edited by oinkitt; 30 January 2011 at 11:33 AM.. Reason: spelling

30 January 2011, 11:38 AM	#9
sea-dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Dennis Location: Bay Area - 925 Posts: 40,018	It's been shilled by the zero feedback bidder, probably the seller himself! __________________ TRF Member #6699 (since September 2007)

30 January 2011, 07:13 AM	#2
TimeToGo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,736	shill bidding!

30 January 2011, 09:12 AM	#4
DallasDiamonds Banned Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Dallas Wottlin Location: Dallas Watch: Rolex Submariner Posts: 55	what is shill bidding? I'm confused?

30 January 2011, 09:13 AM	#5
DallasDiamonds Banned Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Dallas Wottlin Location: Dallas Watch: Rolex Submariner Posts: 55	Another word for cheating on eBay?

30 January 2011, 01:32 PM	#10
Warnsboy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Michael Location: Midwest-USA Watch: 5513 Posts: 1,942	He needs to learn how to do it....could have sold for a decent price.....I bid against a shill (didn't know what it was called) bidder once and let him have it to himself 3 minutes before the end

30 January 2011, 01:57 PM	#11
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,319	It sold for $2300. Whether it was a shill bidder or not, the selling price is reasonable and a very fair price. I tend to agree with some of the other posts here, that when I see a lot of "0" feedback bids, it is usually a big red flag to me. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

30 January 2011, 03:09 PM	#12
harry in montreal "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Watch: The Habs pick 1st! Posts: 3,589	Adrian Oinkitt said; "Some of us need to find better things to do than worry about such things that dont even effect us !!!!!" I find your comment rude... or maybe you dont understand how auctions work. how do you know i was unaffected? if you were interested in bidding on the item, would you consider yourself unaffected? i have an idea for something better you can do with your time; how about determine if Australia has laws against shill bidding an auction.

30 January 2011, 03:11 PM	#13
harry in montreal "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Watch: The Habs pick 1st! Posts: 3,589	then check out the watch on Timezone marketplace priced at 2400.

30 January 2011, 04:16 PM	#15
harry in montreal "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Watch: The Habs pick 1st! Posts: 3,589	I am not surprised that you did not answer my questions. This is further "evedence" as you put it that you do not understand how auctions function. (after 35 years?) I sincerely hope that all your future ebay endeavors involve being outbid by 0 rated bidders. then i hope you see the seller on a board offering the watch for slightly more. cheers

30 January 2011, 05:45 PM	#17
andypandy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Andrew Location: Edinburgh Scotlan Watch: Rolrx GMT Master Posts: 381	I am amazed that two strangers can be so rude to each other over such a trivial matter ! Lighten up gentlemen , watch forums do not exist for grown men to indulge in such petty rudeness. I'm off to chapel now , God bless you all !

30 January 2011, 08:31 PM	#19
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,063	Guys this is TRF and what goes on on ebay should stop on ebay its that simple topic closed.. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

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