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theken · 7 March 2011, 01:36 AM

A couple of weeks ago, at the IWJG show in Orlando, a well know TRF seller offered me this recently serviced Zenith Daytona.
The subdials are beginning to turn tan/light brown which is referred to by some Daytona collectors as a Patrizi dial.
The seller and I made a trade involving a Panerai 305 and cash from me and this Daytona has now become my new TRF avatar.

brettpaul · 7 March 2011, 01:58 AM

She's a beaut!! Congratulations!!

egzbuen · 7 March 2011, 02:02 AM

Sweet piece, congrats. Thats a winner.

mtrunner · 7 March 2011, 02:03 AM

Great looking watch. Enjoy!

bellvederecar · 7 March 2011, 02:07 AM

beautiful. do you ever miss the panerai. I recently picked up a black faced daytona and I am also a panerai owner and I love the feel and everything about the daytona.

hennabav · 7 March 2011, 02:10 AM

Congrats Mark!! What a nice piece!!

Dan Pierce · 7 March 2011, 02:10 AM

A real beauty, Mark.

dP

theken · 7 March 2011, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by bellvederecar

beautiful. do you ever miss the panerai. I recently picked up a black faced daytona and I am also a panerai owner and I love the feel and everything about the daytona.

I recently bought a Panerai 029M GMT after looking for one for over 6 months.
It is my favorite of the 3 Panerais in my collection.

dddrees · 7 March 2011, 03:01 AM

Huge Congrats on your new watch Mark, it looks awesome.

Dr. Robert · 7 March 2011, 03:05 AM

A most excellent daytona.........congratulations.

Yazo · 7 March 2011, 04:03 AM

Awesome... And congrats!! Did you happen to get the original papers??

HL65 · 7 March 2011, 04:07 AM

Very nice T Daytona Mark. Congrats!

Rolex116520 · 7 March 2011, 04:16 AM

First Patrizzi with PLC's ?

HL65 · 7 March 2011, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Rolex116520

First Patrizzi with PLC's ?

What do you mean?

Rolex116520 · 7 March 2011, 04:47 AM

Do T reg 16520 's have PLC's ?

G.J · 7 March 2011, 04:50 AM

Congrats, a real beauty...

HL65 · 7 March 2011, 04:51 AM

Yes-The Patrizzi dial was on Daytonas towards end of 1993 when Rolex changed from up-side down 6 to straight 6. It was due to a technical error that caused a color change in the paint.

PS--You mean polished center links--PCL's.

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Speed · 7 March 2011, 04:56 AM

Nice Mark!!!

Side question - Is the story about folks blowing cigar smoke on a dial to turn the sub dials brown / call it a Patrizzi true? Still wonder if this is a wives tale or not.

HL65 · 7 March 2011, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Speed

Nice Mark!!!

Side question - Is the story about folks blowing cigar smoke on a dial to turn the sub dials brown / call it a Patrizzi true? Still wonder if this is a wives tale or not.

I can't imagine that would work. It is not much different than in 1969 when Rolex black dials turned brown on Subs and Daytonas-"tropical" aka "chocolate". The sad thing is many people had them change dials out on services so they could have black--driving price and demand higher!!

theken · 7 March 2011, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed

Nice Mark!!!

Side question - Is the story about folks blowing cigar smoke on a dial to turn the sub dials brown / call it a Patrizzi true? Still wonder if this is a wives tale or not.

I suspect more of a husbands (than a wives) tale.

theken · 7 March 2011, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rolex116520

Do T reg 16520 's have PLC's ?

No, unless the bracelet was changed at a later time.
I think only the A series Zenith Daytona was originally sold with a SEL bracelet.

Rolex116520 · 7 March 2011, 05:10 AM

Yes that was what I meant . I think the T reg 16520 didn't come with PLC 78390 's but that isn't really the issue ..
Patrizzi dial was something that Oswaldo marketed at the height of the Antiquorum when he still owned it and he also happened to own a couple of those Daytona's that had turned brown because of over exposure to UV light .
This may have been just a batch of UV unstable paint or maybe all 16520's of that period potentially had it . I guess only some had enough UV exposed to to turn brown or like probably all the ones that have come out of the woodwork since and have been simply bombarded with UV to accelerate the process.
I really doubt that Rolex ever knew about the problem till Oswaldo made it a rarity out of it .

HL65 · 7 March 2011, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rolex116520

Yes that was what I meant . I think the T reg 16520 didn't come with PLC 78390 's but that isn't really the issue ..
Patrizzi dial was something that Oswaldo marketed at the height of the Antiquorum when he still owned it and he also happened to own a couple of those Daytona's that had turned brown because of over exposure to UV light .
This may have been just a batch of UV unstable paint or maybe all 16520's of that period potentially had it . I guess only some had enough UV exposed to to turn brown or like probably all the ones that have come out of the woodwork since and have been simply bombarded with UV to accelerate the process.
I really doubt that Rolex ever knew about the problem till Oswaldo made it a rarity out of it .

Correct.

SS Oyster · 7 March 2011, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteelerFan1965

Yes-The Patrizzi dial was on Daytonas towards end of 1993 when Rolex changed from up-side down 6 to straight 6. It was due to a technical error that caused a color change in the paint.

PS--You mean polished center links--PCL's.

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That is simply an amazing looking dial! Love it.

Rolex116520 · 7 March 2011, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SteelerFan1965

I can't imagine that would work. It is not much different than in 1969 when Rolex black dials turned brown on Subs and Daytonas-"tropical" aka "chocolate". The sad thing is many people had them change dials out on services so they could have black--driving price and demand higher!!

Same difference ... Tropical dial ? Yes because of the " tropical " lens that created the same effect we all learned when we set fire to a leaf or dry wood with a loupe ( magnifying ) the extra heat created by these lenses burned the paint . Paints then were less UV stable , tropical domes in sunny countries just accelerated the process .

Try and find a patrizzi or tropical dial Rolex that spend all its life in the north of Sweden .

HL65 · 7 March 2011, 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rolex116520

Same difference ... Tropical dial ? Yes because of the " tropical " lens that created the same effect we all learned when we set fire to a leaf or dry wood with a loupe ( magnifying ) the extra heat created by these lenses burned the paint . Paints then were less UV stable , tropical domes in sunny countries just accelerated the process .

Try and find a patrizzi or tropical dial Rolex that spend all its life in the north of Sweden .

Correct again.

skyedog · 7 March 2011, 06:20 AM

It comes in polished center links but I change it to brushed center links from the RCS

psv · 7 March 2011, 07:39 AM

Love the look of the Zenith with black dial. I had an A series briefly, but I found it a bit too hard to read (and I have 20/20 vision).

Enjoy yours, Mark!

Michael M. · 7 March 2011, 08:17 AM

Congrats!!! Love it, the 16520 is a classic!!

johnkszabo · 7 March 2011, 09:06 AM

Beautiful watch !!

7 March 2011, 01:36 AM	#1
theken "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Watch: GMT-Master II Posts: 3,417	Daytona 16520 T series "Patrizzi" dial A couple of weeks ago, at the IWJG show in Orlando, a well know TRF seller offered me this recently serviced Zenith Daytona. The subdials are beginning to turn tan/light brown which is referred to by some Daytona collectors as a Patrizi dial. The seller and I made a trade involving a Panerai 305 and cash from me and this Daytona has now become my new TRF avatar. Attached Images

7 March 2011, 02:02 AM	#3
egzbuen "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Manila Posts: 1,177	Sweet piece, congrats. Thats a winner. __________________ 18083 & 16750 16234 & 16233 16610 & 16800 3717-01 & 104 & 312 Nav B-Uhr

7 March 2011, 02:10 AM	#7
Dan Pierce 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: D'OH! Location: Kentucky Watch: Rolex-1 Tudor-3 Posts: 36,216	A real beauty, Mark. dP __________________ TRF Member# 1668 Bass Player in TRF "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Band Commander-in-Chief of The Nylon Nation The Crown & Shield Club Honorary Member of P-Club

7 March 2011, 03:01 AM	#9
dddrees "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: Dan Location: USA Watch: This N That Posts: 34,253	Huge Congrats on your new watch Mark, it looks awesome. __________________ When it captures your imagination, that's when you know you have found your passion. Loyal Foot Soldier of The Nylon Nation. Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

7 March 2011, 03:05 AM	#10
Dr. Robert 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Bob Location: U.S.A. Watch: 1655 Posts: 64,277	A most excellent daytona.........congratulations. __________________ Founder & Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

7 March 2011, 01:58 AM	#2
brettpaul "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Brett Location: Bahrain, Dubai Watch: Rolex and AP Posts: 5,538	She's a beaut!! Congratulations!!

7 March 2011, 02:03 AM	#4
mtrunner 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Gary Location: Bozeman, MT Watch: 126508 Paul Newman Posts: 7,835	Great looking watch. Enjoy!

7 March 2011, 02:07 AM	#5
bellvederecar "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Real Name: d Location: boston Watch: all Posts: 324	beautiful. do you ever miss the panerai. I recently picked up a black faced daytona and I am also a panerai owner and I love the feel and everything about the daytona.

7 March 2011, 02:10 AM	#6
hennabav Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Jon Location: New England Watch: --Rolex-- Posts: 2,391	Congrats Mark!! What a nice piece!!

7 March 2011, 04:03 AM	#11
Yazo "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Dallas TX Watch: Rolex Posts: 2,812	Awesome... And congrats!! Did you happen to get the original papers??

7 March 2011, 04:07 AM	#12
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 64,007	Very nice T Daytona Mark. Congrats! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

7 March 2011, 04:16 AM	#13
Rolex116520 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: EEC Watch: Daytona & Deepsea Posts: 2,387	First Patrizzi with PLC's ?

7 March 2011, 04:47 AM	#15
Rolex116520 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: EEC Watch: Daytona & Deepsea Posts: 2,387	Do T reg 16520 's have PLC's ?

7 March 2011, 04:50 AM	#16
G.J "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 2,094	Congrats, a real beauty... __________________ In Memory of JJ Irani

7 March 2011, 04:51 AM	#17
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 64,007	Yes-The Patrizzi dial was on Daytonas towards end of 1993 when Rolex changed from up-side down 6 to straight 6. It was due to a technical error that caused a color change in the paint. PS--You mean polished center links--PCL's. __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

7 March 2011, 04:56 AM	#18
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	Nice Mark!!! Side question - Is the story about folks blowing cigar smoke on a dial to turn the sub dials brown / call it a Patrizzi true? Still wonder if this is a wives tale or not.

7 March 2011, 05:10 AM	#22
Rolex116520 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: EEC Watch: Daytona & Deepsea Posts: 2,387	Yes that was what I meant . I think the T reg 16520 didn't come with PLC 78390 's but that isn't really the issue .. Patrizzi dial was something that Oswaldo marketed at the height of the Antiquorum when he still owned it and he also happened to own a couple of those Daytona's that had turned brown because of over exposure to UV light . This may have been just a batch of UV unstable paint or maybe all 16520's of that period potentially had it . I guess only some had enough UV exposed to to turn brown or like probably all the ones that have come out of the woodwork since and have been simply bombarded with UV to accelerate the process. I really doubt that Rolex ever knew about the problem till Oswaldo made it a rarity out of it .

7 March 2011, 06:20 AM	#27
skyedog "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: Joey Location: around the Bay Watch: ing TRF Posts: 1,942	Here is mine "Patrizzi" It comes in polished center links but I change it to brushed center links from the RCS Attached Images

7 March 2011, 07:39 AM	#28
psv 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA & France Posts: 11,078	Love the look of the Zenith with black dial. I had an A series briefly, but I found it a bit too hard to read (and I have 20/20 vision). Enjoy yours, Mark!

7 March 2011, 08:17 AM	#29
Michael M. Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 8,391	Congrats!!! Love it, the 16520 is a classic!!

7 March 2011, 09:06 AM	#30
johnkszabo "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: florida Watch: 16660 SD,SS 116520 Posts: 109	Beautiful watch !!

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