Panerai Historic Questions

[hng]

Guys, recently PAM started to smile at me
Probably like most of entry level Paneristis, I'm narrowing my search to the Historic models 000, 005, 111 and 112. Questions I have:

1. Movement
000 use Panerai OP I
005 Panerai OP II
111 Panerai OP XI
112 Panerai OP X
What's the pros and cons?

2. Dial
If I see it right Luminor Base (000 and 112) seems to use painted dial whilst Luminor Marina (005 and 111) sandwich dial.
What's the purpose and how you guys see and like them?

3. Lum Base is non COSC whilst Lum Marina is COSC. Other than costing a few hundred bucks is it so important in this Paneria world

4. They are all hand-wound. I know other model like 312 is automatic. I'm used to automatic watches so this seems "old fashioned"?

Thanks a bunch!

[kilyung]

That's a lot to digest. Easier to answer if you narrow your preferences to two watches.

[mfer]

000 and 005 are 6497 movements without swan neck regulators
112 and 111 are 6497 movements with swan neck regulators
Both can be adjusted timed perfectly, one is just easier than the other for the watchmaker, but who cares.

000 and 005 are painted dials
112 and 111 are sandwich dials (current prod from H forward) (E-G where painted)

000 and 005 are solid backs
112 and 111 are display backs

002 and 001 are pretty much like 112 and 111 except painted with a solid back.

Don't get hung up on COSC. If a watch doesn't have a second hand it won't be COSC tested.

Here is a sammy v painted dial 112.



Take your time, try some on, enjoy the ride.

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by hng

Guys, recently PAM started to smile at me
Probably like most of entry level Paneristis, I'm narrowing my search to the Historic models 000, 005, 111 and 112. Questions I have:

1. Movement
000 use Panerai OP I
005 Panerai OP II
111 Panerai OP XI
112 Panerai OP X
What's the pros and cons?

2. Dial
If I see it right Luminor Base (000 and 112) seems to use painted dial whilst Luminor Marina (005 and 111) sandwich dial.What's the purpose and how you guys see and like them?

3. Lum Base is non COSC whilst Lum Marina is COSC. Other than costing a few hundred bucks is it so important in this Paneria world

4. They are all hand-wound. I know other model like 312 is automatic. I'm used to automatic watches so this seems "old fashioned"?

Thanks a bunch!

005 has a painted dial

the models you named are "old fashioned" and thats what makes them so great and sought after by many collectors and lovers of the brand. Sure there just pocket watch movements inside, but that's the point.

as far as the models with swan necks and without, the ones with will have decorated movements and clear backs, wheres the 000 and 005 will have solid case backs and no swan necks and the movements are not as decorated as the none logo editions.. the logos are even more old school for that matter which drive panerai lovers even more crazy to want one.this is all weird i know, but once you fall in love with the brand, this will all make sense.

[htc8p]

Originally Posted by mfer

000 and 005 are 6497 movements without swan neck regulators
112 and 111 are 6497 movements with swan neck regulators
Both can be adjusted timed perfectly, one is just easier than the other for the watchmaker, but who cares.

000 and 005 are painted dials
112 and 111 are sandwich dials (current prod from H forward) (E-G where painted)

000 and 005 are solid backs
112 and 111 are display backs

002 and 001 are pretty much like 112 and 111 except painted with a solid back.

Don't get hung up on COSC. If a watch doesn't have a second hand it won't be COSC tested.

Here is a sammy v painted dial 112.



Take your time, try some on, enjoy the ride.

Well said Mik.

the historic models are the best pams imho. they look very classic.

the manual wind can seem cumbersome in the beginning but its good to have at least 1 manual wind. you just have to savor the winding time.

[bcacncnc]

Nice comparo shot Mik. Great to compare the sausage vs the sandwich dial - I might add the sausage dial really stands out. I suspect - but not sure, the sausage dial gives off a better lume.

[mfer]

That 112 v 112 is not my pic, but the question always comes up so I saved it off.


They are pretty comparable in the long run, but the sausage is really bright in the beginning. I think it just might be lack of shadows.

Here is my sammy 210 v my sausage 111 in a lume contest.

[hng]

You guys rocks!!! And thanks for the nice pics Mik!

Movement seems not a big thing (other than decorated or not which relates to see-thru or solid case back), dial painted preferred, I probably won't bother the case back, I'd like a clean dial but don't like to stare at the watch for a minute to make sure it still runs, the second hand somewhat distracts dial cleanliness just my opinion ... My feeling is towards 112 but I need to find E-G series with painted dial.

[mfer]

I think that would be a great choice!

[htc8p]

Originally Posted by hng

You guys rocks!!! And thanks for the nice pics Mik!

Movement seems not a big thing (other than decorated or not which relates to see-thru or solid case back), dial painted preferred, I probably won't bother the case back, I'd like a clean dial but don't like to stare at the watch for a minute to make sure it still runs, the second hand somewhat distracts dial cleanliness just my opinion ... My feeling is towards 112 but I need to find E-G series with painted dial.

good choice you wont regret it. hold on to it because im imagining it when it becomes vintage will look super classy

[Cru Jones]

it seems like in the historics show-down threads, the 005 gets very little love?

[esm]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

it seems like in the historics show-down threads, the 005 gets very little love?

i think that is because of a "busier" dial with the OP logo.

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by esm

i think that is because of a "busier" dial with the OP logo.

I don't think its really over the logo is it?

what about the pre vendom models with very busy dials and most people go crazy over them. they will pay thousands and thousands..

doesn't get any busier than this.. but everyone loves it. including myself


while the panerai community is not as large here as other forums, there are owners and lovers of the 005 who would not have a chance to defend the model. i would say many people love the 005 as well as myself and I think it's all preference yes. but compared to other models, i really dont think the 005 has any busier dial than any other model out there with more writing.

i can think of 5 panerai models off the top off my head that any panerai collector would give anything to have and they have what you would call, "more busier dials"

i don't think it comes down to the writing or logo on the dial what so ever.

it comes down to if you want a sub sec hand dial or not. I want a sec hand on my everyday watch but thats just me. that's the difference between the 005 and the 000.

if you want to say the dial looks cleaner without the sub sec hand then sure it does, IMO it looks more plain.
but the writing on the dial would never stop me from buying a panerai... the functionality of the watch is what i would be looking for, not writing on a dial. unless there is a SE model with special writing then yes, i would think that makes a bigger difference with collectors with a special dial.

both the 005 and 000 sell very well. maybe more people out there prefer no sec hand. but thats deff what it comes down to and not writing or the logo IMO.

[hng]

SubKing summed it up nicely: want a second hand or cleaner dial. Both are great. It all comes down to your own preference. I'd prefer clean dial but want second hand functionality as well :). At the end of the day, probably I'll grap whichever one comes my way first :)

[tech_controller]

your list of entry level panerai is great place to start with the brand.

go with what appeals the most to you.

my first and most missed was my 111G.

I'm not very enthusiastic about sandwich dials but some folks love them

[dddrees]

For me having a watch without the second hand is a bit different and thats what makes having the 000 kind of nice.