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JizJizJiz · 9 May 2011, 03:57 PM

Hey guys,

Looking at this Exp II - wondering about authenticity; everything looks good to me, but you guys are by far the experts :).

T serial, movement seems to work correctly (clockwise setting), etc. Bracelet seems to be reasonably aged as well. What do you guys think?

Bracelet end links are 501B. No diver clasp extension fliplock bracelet.

Thanks!

applebook · 9 May 2011, 04:25 PM

Looks genuine, a bit beat up, but real.

I would get a new bezel and leave the case unpolished though.

Speed · 9 May 2011, 06:24 PM

Are you nervous about the seller?

Looks ok in these photos...the Expy II is not a highly knocked off Rolex.

Puffy · 9 May 2011, 06:32 PM

looks legit but it's really beaten up. i wouldn't go near it

bayerische · 9 May 2011, 08:00 PM

Looks good. While I don't mind scratches too much, the bezel on the EXP2 is best when in a as new condition, somehow it really emphasizes the scratches.

madformac · 9 May 2011, 08:51 PM

Can't see anything unusual about the watch but the bracelet looks fake to me, the thumb indent in the clasp looks all wrong.

The experts will be along shortly to give a more qualified opinion however.

Jason71 · 9 May 2011, 08:58 PM

When determining a reasonable price for this one though, please factor in the cost of a new bezel. That ding near the 8 is WOW.

Grumpy Badger · 9 May 2011, 09:02 PM

I like the look of it. To me the scars give it character!
I wouldn't pay the same price as for a pristine one, but I wouldn't refurb that one if it was the right money...

Jake B · 9 May 2011, 09:05 PM

The watch itself looks legit...and generally one good way to tell a fake EXPII right off the bat is that due to the mov'ts used, the 24hr hand is the bottom hand (closest to the dial) and not placed in between the hour and minute as it is on a genuine Rolex.

ally · 9 May 2011, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madformac

Can't see anything unusual about the watch but the bracelet looks fake to me, the thumb indent in the clasp looks all wrong.

The experts will be along shortly to give a more qualified opinion however.

Well spotted, just looking at mine the thumb indent is more rounded

xjeeunitx · 9 May 2011, 09:20 PM

The bracelet looks fine to me...

The watch looks legit and perfect for a daily wearer! I'd pay $2500 for it!

Grumpy Badger · 9 May 2011, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake B

The watch itself looks legit...and generally one good way to tell a fake EXPII right off the bat is that due to the mov'ts used, the 24hr hand is the bottom hand (closest to the dial) and not placed in between the hour and minute as it is on a genuine Rolex.

Top Tip!

TTmax · 9 May 2011, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JizJizJiz

... movement seems to work correctly (clockwise setting)

For a GMT2/Explo2 mvmt (3085/3185/3186) this is enough to be sure at 99% the watch is genuine.

Fake I've seen never reproduce this complication.

As yours should have a 3185, you can verify that one complete crown revolution makes the hour hand jumps 5-6 timezones/hours.

HKtoter · 9 May 2011, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madformac

Can't see anything unusual about the watch but the bracelet looks fake to me, the thumb indent in the clasp looks all wrong.

The experts will be along shortly to give a more qualified opinion however.

I agree

Tools · 10 May 2011, 01:59 AM

The watch looks good..

The bracelet clasp is a fake..

JizJizJiz · 10 May 2011, 02:03 AM

Thanks guy :). That helps a lot :).

Justjosh · 10 May 2011, 02:13 AM

I actually like the beat up look. It's exactly what I'm looking for in an ExpII

MrChamfers · 4 June 2011, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madformac

Can't see anything unusual about the watch but the bracelet looks fake to me, the thumb indent in the clasp looks all wrong.

The experts will be along shortly to give a more qualified opinion however.

I sold Zack this watch and am surprised there is no consensus on the authenticity of the bracelet and/or clasp. This was factored into the final heavily discounted price.

JizJizJiz · 4 June 2011, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saltpeter

I sold Zack this watch and am surprised there is no consensus on the authenticity of the bracelet and/or clasp. This was factored into the final heavily discounted price.

Correct - Charles was a pleasure to deal with...great and upfront guy.

britincali · 4 June 2011, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madformac

Can't see anything unusual about the watch but the bracelet looks fake to me, the thumb indent in the clasp looks all wrong.

Great catch I had to look at mine for a few seconds but its definatly different.

MrChamfers · 7 June 2011, 11:31 AM

For future reference this is the watch bought from seller crsmith1234.
When I bought it there was no mention of the clasp problem.

Shade · 7 June 2011, 11:51 AM

Looks great, the GMT hand is where it should be. Fake ones usually sits on the lowest stack.

BrianT · 7 June 2011, 01:34 PM

As mentioned way earlier, the crown on the clasp is way wrong. Have a look at the circle on the cornet, it's almost perfectly round. It should be oval.

9 May 2011, 03:57 PM	#1
JizJizJiz "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Zack Location: OC, SoCal Posts: 1,362	Authenticity of Explorer II 16570 Hey guys, Looking at this Exp II - wondering about authenticity; everything looks good to me, but you guys are by far the experts :). T serial, movement seems to work correctly (clockwise setting), etc. Bracelet seems to be reasonably aged as well. What do you guys think? Bracelet end links are 501B. No diver clasp extension fliplock bracelet. Thanks! __________________ Thank you, -Zack Ji 2FA on TRF enabled

9 May 2011, 04:25 PM	#2
applebook "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: vancouver Posts: 1,918	Looks genuine, a bit beat up, but real. I would get a new bezel and leave the case unpolished though. __________________

9 May 2011, 06:32 PM	#4
Puffy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 12,485	looks legit but it's really beaten up. i wouldn't go near it __________________ Fine Quality is Long Remembered After the Pain of Spending Money is Forgotten

9 May 2011, 08:00 PM	#5
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	Looks good. While I don't mind scratches too much, the bezel on the EXP2 is best when in a as new condition, somehow it really emphasizes the scratches. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

9 May 2011, 08:58 PM	#7
Jason71 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Jason Location: USA Watch: Rolex/Tudor Divers Posts: 7,973	When determining a reasonable price for this one though, please factor in the cost of a new bezel. That ding near the 8 is WOW. __________________ Best Regards, Jason Just Say "NO" to Polishing Card-Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch Curmudgeons LIfe is too short to wear inexpensive watches PLEXI IS SEXY

9 May 2011, 06:24 PM	#3
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	Are you nervous about the seller? Looks ok in these photos...the Expy II is not a highly knocked off Rolex.

9 May 2011, 08:51 PM	#6
madformac "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2006 Real Name: Justin Location: Manchester, UK. Posts: 708	Can't see anything unusual about the watch but the bracelet looks fake to me, the thumb indent in the clasp looks all wrong. The experts will be along shortly to give a more qualified opinion however.

9 May 2011, 09:02 PM	#8
Grumpy Badger "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Mark Location: Bonny Scotland Watch: 14060M Sub (cosc) Posts: 5,280	I like the look of it. To me the scars give it character! I wouldn't pay the same price as for a pristine one, but I wouldn't refurb that one if it was the right money... __________________ Don't mind me. I'm full of scotch, bitterness and impure thoughts! "You have enemies? Good! That means you stood up for something, sometime in your life." Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill KG, OM, CH, TD, PC, DL, FRS.

9 May 2011, 09:05 PM	#9
Jake B "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Hong Kong Watch: Gold Sub 116618LN Posts: 2,820	The watch itself looks legit...and generally one good way to tell a fake EXPII right off the bat is that due to the mov'ts used, the 24hr hand is the bottom hand (closest to the dial) and not placed in between the hour and minute as it is on a genuine Rolex.

9 May 2011, 09:20 PM	#11
xjeeunitx 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,529	The bracelet looks fine to me... The watch looks legit and perfect for a daily wearer! I'd pay $2500 for it!

10 May 2011, 01:59 AM	#15
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	The watch looks good.. The bracelet clasp is a fake.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

10 May 2011, 02:03 AM	#16
JizJizJiz "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Zack Location: OC, SoCal Posts: 1,362	Thanks guy :). That helps a lot :). __________________ Thank you, -Zack Ji 2FA on TRF enabled

10 May 2011, 02:13 AM	#17
Justjosh "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Josh Location: WI Watch: This Posts: 856	I actually like the beat up look. It's exactly what I'm looking for in an ExpII

7 June 2011, 11:31 AM	#21
MrChamfers Banned Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: USA!! Watch: ing Warriors ball Posts: 710	For future reference this is the watch bought from seller crsmith1234. When I bought it there was no mention of the clasp problem.

7 June 2011, 11:51 AM	#22
Shade "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Norman Location: Jakarta Watch: All of 'em.. Posts: 2,926	Looks great, the GMT hand is where it should be. Fake ones usually sits on the lowest stack. __________________ My collections.. Plus PAM 233, 232, 249 & PAM 417.

7 June 2011, 01:34 PM	#23
BrianT "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 115	As mentioned way earlier, the crown on the clasp is way wrong. Have a look at the circle on the cornet, it's almost perfectly round. It should be oval.

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