How collectable is a 1675 with PCG and small GMT

[AJSM]

I have a late 50's early 60's GMT with 1560 butterfly auto weight and Pointed Crown guards. The GMT hand is original small style and 5XX,XXX serial number with 36XXX movement serial number.How rare are they? The bracelet is newer JUB style. I have photos that I can email.

[Rickster]

you see them from time to time but a great piece...post some pics

[Tools]

They're not particuarly rare, but they are certainly collectible..

Like all early examples, condition and originality is paramount... I suspect that the way you'v made your thread title and know how to describe the attributes that you know quite a bit about your watch.....

[Newportkrieger]

Another troll on a 1st posting. You seem to know ALOT about a grail watch, reasonably uncommon in the world and you have one and based on your correct description and use of nomenclature you seem to know a LOT abou tit already.



There is NO WAY you can know the following and NOT KNOW its RARE...

"late 50's early 60's GMT with 1560 butterfly auto weight and Pointed Crown guards. The GMT hand is original small style and 5XX,XXX serial number with 36XXX movement serial number.How rare are they? The bracelet is newer JUB style."

You know what you have, WHY ARE YOU ASKING US?

[onkyo]

yep....

[Newportkrieger]

Originally Posted by onkyo

yep....

Hey, Maybe its a TEST!

[AJSM]

For the sarcastic comments!
I know
1) It's older- any moron can cross check serial numbers for a approximate date of manufacture.
2)Details,pointed crown guards, original dial-hands,non original bracelet. I have a case opener and looked at the movement and noted the type of auto weight.

I don't know
1) What the hell a "Grail" watch is!
2) Why you are being rude!
3) How rare the watch is ( that is why I asked). If I knew how rare or not it was I wouldn't have joined this forum and asked.

Thanks Newport for once again proving that people everywhere have bad attitudes and think that you are better than every one else! What did the barista spit in your half caf latte this morning?That is for you too Onkyo! Screw off! While you are looking for trolls check the mirror!

Thanks Rickster and Tools for your comments. They are appreciated.

[Lol-x]

O.K. I think we need to cool things down real quickly now.

The 1675 Pointed Crown Guards with small 24hr hand is a very desirable vintage watch that commands high praise among vintage collectors.

It is 'obtainable' in varying degrees/conditions.

Remember if you don't have anything positive and constructive to say then it is a good idea to say nothing at all.

[Newportkrieger]

Originally Posted by AJSM

I have a case opener and looked at the movement and noted the type of auto weight.

You have a case opener, you know as much as you do about this watch and you own a 16800 as well.

[Jason71]

Originally Posted by AJSM

For the sarcastic comments!
I know
1) It's older- any moron can cross check serial numbers for a approximate date of manufacture.
2)Details,pointed crown guards, original dial-hands,non original bracelet. I have a case opener and looked at the movement and noted the type of auto weight.

I don't know
1) What the hell a "Grail" watch is!
2) Why you are being rude!
3) How rare the watch is ( that is why I asked). If I knew how rare or not it was I wouldn't have joined this forum and asked.

Thanks Newport for once again proving that people everywhere have bad attitudes and think that you are better than every one else! What did the barista spit in your half caf latte this morning?That is for you too Onkyo! Screw off! While you are looking for trolls check the mirror!

Thanks Rickster and Tools for your comments. They are appreciated.

Dude, for your 2nd post on a forum.......this is totally unacceptable. You have no idea of the dynamics of this forum. We see "trolls" come in with their first post phishing for some knucklehead to bite and wire some money for a very desirable watch that doesn't exist. A little skepticism on our part is not out of the realm of what is reasonable. The burden is on you to remain courteous, and to prove that you are not one of these "trolls" by posting pictures, and keeping your cool even in the face of adversity and skepticism. I mean seriously...........Did you see how many posts Pav (Onkyo) has??? He has almost 10,000 posts and is a very respected member on several forums with some AWESOME watches. To elude that he is a troll is not cool.

You are the newbie here, and so far based on your first two posts, I remain unimpressed.

[Puffy]

Let's see some pictures of this fine 1675....

[HL65]

It is a collectible watch which many do desire-if in mint condition. The condition and dial on the watch dictates how desirable it is though as it is not a rare watch as Larry pointed out. Show us some pictures as that will speak volumes.....

[swatty]

Welcome to TRF , I'd love to see some pics as well

[AJSM]

I will post pics as soon as I figure out how to.

I was not the guy who pre judged so maybe save your lecture for Newport and Onkyo. Unless the dynamics of this forum is to pick on the new guy.

Newport, yes I have a 16800. When I bought it I didn't know what I had until I asked questions. That is how you learn. Using google you get a little information but I came here for more details.
I bought the 1675 yesterday and didn't know what I bought and in both cases the owners that sold them to me didn't know what they had.
I'm not a troll and not trying to swindle someone out of their hard earned money.

[AJSM]

Here are the pics.

[Racer X]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Remember if you don't have anything positive and constructive to say then it is a good idea to say nothing at all.

+100. Words to live by on this forum.

[adt]

Originally Posted by AJSM

Here are the pics.

It's certainly collectable with the PCG and inner minute track that collectors love. But not a rare watch like some of Ken's mint examples

Here is mine, not a mint case but it has an awesome dial

[AJSM]

Wow, Thanks adt!!! Your Dial is awesome!!!

[pdoukas]

I like that inner minute track. The 1675 is going to be my second purchase after I get around to the 1680 red MKI....lol.

[AJSM]

Here is some photos of my Troll type Sub, So when Im under bridges in the water I can tell time

[Kevin B]

Becase Im such a Troll
Here is some photos of my Troll type Sub, So when Im under bridges in the water I can tell time

[Jibba]

Originally Posted by AJSM

Here is some photos of my Troll type Sub, So when Im under bridges in the water I can tell time

Funny....... I think you win! I love this forum, but am put off when folks are rude. Nice watches and welcome

[Newportkrieger]

Originally Posted by AJSM

Here is some photos of my Troll type Sub, So when Im under bridges in the water I can tell time

Since you clearly do not want to let the troll comment go and move on, it is still my opinion that you know far more about your watch and Rolex in general than you sought to imply and you were "trolling" for a response to a question you already knew the answer to for whatever reason. I base my opinion on:

1) You VERY accurate description of the watch
2) You already KNEW the watch had a "GMT hand is the original small style", which indicates you know the differences in GMT hands which is one of the two major things that make your watch very sought after.
3) You knew the watch had "Pointed Crown Guards" and used the correct nomenclature to describe them.
4) You were able to determine that the watch had original dial and hands but non original bracelet
5) You knew enough to not list entire serial numbers in an open forum
6) Possession and use of a Rolex case opening device
7) Ownership of yet another "vintage" Rolex
8) "Stock" photos of your Submariner (very good photos btw)

Based on all the above YES, I think you were asking a question in your FIRST posting on TRF that you already knew the answer to. Implying that you are somehow new to watches and Rolex and you had no idea what the collectability of a GMT with "GMT hand is original small style" is patently false IMHO. I believe that it is impossible for you to know all you did about the watch, either through expertise or research and not know that is a sought after model by collectors.

Also please note, I was never RUDE or personally insulting to you. As for your intentions with the post, the other members of TRF can make up their minds for themselves. Good day sir!

[AJSM]

Both watches I bought from different people and I or the owners did not know anything about them when I bought them.
I bought them knowing they were Old Rolex's and that Stainless Sport models are usually more collectable than others.
I used the internet for quick information which is where I found about the small GMT hand and PGC.
I found this forum and wanted to join to get more information. I do know a little and have case tools.
Much like coins or other collectable things very small things can mean $100-$1000's of dollar differences.
I figured there would be people on this forum with more knowledge than myself.

Sorry if we got off on the wrong foot.

[Newportkrieger]

Originally Posted by AJSM

Both watches I bought from different people and I or the owners did not know anything about them when I bought them.
I bought them knowing they were Old Rolex's and that Stainless Sport models are usually more collectable than others.
I used the internet for quick information which is where I found about the small GMT hand and PGC.
I found this forum and wanted to join to get more information. I do know a little and have case tools.
Much like coins or other collectable things very small things can mean $100-$1000's of dollar differences.
I figured there would be people on this forum with more knowledge than myself.

Sorry if we got off on the wrong foot.

Fair enough. Nice watches the both of them. You have excellent taste. Welcome to the Vintage Forum.

[andypandy]

''Where seldom is heard , a discouraging wooooord and the skies are........''

[landroverking]

Great Read this afternoon. I don't have much to do. Looks like everyone on both sides are in the right. The truth is always gray. Not black or white.

[cedargrove]

AJSM, welcome to the forums. Sorry it wasn't a good start.

Personally I think the 'troll' accusation is often used far too quickly. I believe in benefit of the doubt for courtesy's sake. But I'm the first to admit I've never had a bad experience as a result of a troll's post, as I'm sure some have had.

It's also common to receive recommendations that one first does some research. Clearly you have done your research. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Once again, welcome and I hope you stick around.

Nice watches too.

[YetiBiker]

Way to "build a bridge and cross it" gentleman! A little disclosure AJSM would have avoided this misunderstanding on the part of the veteran TRF'ers That being said, welcome to the forum. There are alot of genuinely nice and knowledgable guys here.

[onkyo]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

O.K. I think we need to cool things down real quickly now.

The 1675 Pointed Crown Guards with small 24hr hand is a very desirable vintage watch that commands high praise among vintage collectors.

It is 'obtainable' in varying degrees/conditions.

Remember if you don't have anything positive and constructive to say then it is a good idea to say nothing at all.

Sorry Stevo.... you are 100% correct.