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sandalgirl · 31 May 2011, 05:07 AM

After spending much time "lurking" about on this forum, I finally went ahead and purchased a pre-owned Ladies DateJust model 69163 from a local, trusted jeweler. The watch had no papers or boxes. The jeweler popped off the bracelet to show me the serial numbers and provided me with the serial # info on the receipt. D028 and a number beginning with 9HTxxxx. She said my watch is circa 1991. It has "original Rolex design" and "Stainless Steel" on the case back...indicative of a watch made pre-mid 1990's *thank you Rolex forum members for that info* But here is what concerns me: the D028 seems to indicate a watch made in 2004-05. I know that the Rolex date/numbering system can be confusing because Rolex used letters concurrently but I think there is a huge difference between the case back info and the actual serial #. The face of the watch is a pearl color, has stick numerals, smooth gold bezel and 2 tone jubilee band. The number on the band corresponds, according to the serial #, to a two-tone 18k band. I will go back to the jeweler tomorrow and express my concern---but before I do, I wonder if any of you think I have something to be concerned about. Trying to decipher the Rolex serial number dating code is confounding. I didn't think it was appropriate to post the entire serial number on this public posting, but will gladly do so via pm if anyone thinks they can shed some light on this. Btw: I am simultaneously elated when I look at my wrist, and then a little sickened thinking this isn't the read deal. Thanks to anyone who reads this and has some insight. Donna

RRGHOST1 · 31 May 2011, 05:32 AM

Can you give us some pics ? You are correct with the serial number starting D would be circa 04-05. Maybe other members might be able to shed some light on the 9HTxxxx number also.

Goodwatch · 31 May 2011, 05:43 AM

Welcome Donna. I've moved this thread to another section, it will perhaps help to get some answers to your query.

Christiaan · 31 May 2011, 07:02 AM

Can you post pics? This may help us help you.
I might question if the case is a replacement case from Rolex. The only way to get to the bottom of this issue would be to send it to Rolex RSC for a look over...they will tell you about anything that isn't authentic or correct for this watch.

MortgageGuy · 31 May 2011, 07:27 AM

Yes, we need some pics and then the experts can chime in and help you out, unfortunatelt I am not one of them

sandalgirl · 31 May 2011, 07:50 AM

Here's a photo. Thanks. Donna

sandalgirl · 31 May 2011, 07:53 AM

I zoomed the camera on the watch to heighten the detail, but it looks as if I've distorted it somewhat, as well. Overall, the watch looks normal...size is fine, cyclops is exactly as I've seen at AD.

CoopJr · 31 May 2011, 07:57 AM

This watch could have had the bracelet replaced. These jubilees do stretch out and the band in the picture appears to fit the watch well like it's a factory replacement. It all looks/seems OK to me by this one picture.

bayerische · 31 May 2011, 07:59 AM

I have never seen a dial like that, show the caseback.

chiko323 · 31 May 2011, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bayerische

I have never seen a dial like that, show the caseback.

By the look of things it doesn't look good. I can't find the reference nr either...

+1 The dial is quite unusual

The GMT Master · 31 May 2011, 08:02 AM

Agreed, never seen a Jubilee dial like that

CoopJr · 31 May 2011, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by The GMT Master

Agreed, never seen a Jubilee dial like that

Me neither. The "T SWISS MADE T" would indicate a tritium dial but it looks like there is some sort of embossment that I've never seen.

This is about all of the

that I have.

bayerische · 31 May 2011, 08:02 AM

OK, found the reference, but still, this watch looks odd.

CoopJr · 31 May 2011, 08:05 AM

Brozeks reference book lists a model 69163 as a Datejust with a 2135 movement. 2135 movement also listed as 20mm in diameter so that would put it in the lady's range of sizes.

denzo · 31 May 2011, 08:18 AM

sorry - the dial looks all wrong and the cyclops looks not too good either.

please show caseback and bracelet back markings

chiko323 · 31 May 2011, 08:18 AM

With all the info here I'd say best case senario is that you have some kind of aftermarket dial. Another thing I just noticed is that something seems weird about the crown. I might just be seeing things, but it doesnt look right to me.

sandalgirl · 31 May 2011, 08:27 AM

I am sending a photo with no zoom. When viewed with the naked eye, there is no embossing...it only appears when I magnify the photo. The case back says "original Rolex design" and stainless steel.
Pictures next. Thanks

CoopJr · 31 May 2011, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandalgirl

I am sending a photo with no zoom. When viewed with the naked eye, there is no embossing...it only appears when I magnify the photo. The case back says "original Rolex design" and stainless steel.
Pictures next. Thanks

Pictures of the clasp blades would be a help

Tools · 31 May 2011, 08:41 AM

You have me confused...

Your watch looks fine for a 90's ladies TT Datejust and the tritium dial fits that era; the corresponding model number and bracelet number should be for a TT Ladies DJ w/Jubilee, and you state that they are...

However D028, and then 9HTxxxx are meaningless in the context that you are using them..

I think that there may be a mistake with transcribing the serial number.. (or perhaps I have a brain lock) If you want to get to the bottom of this, you need to take the bracelet off and ensure that you have a 7 digit serial number beginning with a letter.

sandalgirl · 31 May 2011, 09:05 AM

the bracelet number 625230( or D? hard to read!).18 and S10 appears above the bracelet number. I have seen watches that look like this one...the face doesn't appear painted. Do you think the watch is unusual looking for a 1991 watch? Are the stick hour markers unusual? The cyclops? I know the smooth bezel gives it a different look...is that an after market add on or was it a choice in bezel back in the day? The bracelet appears to be in great shape given the age of the watch. The numbers on my sales receipt are D028 and 9HT1611...Model 69163 circa 1991. Perhaps I assumed the D028 and the 9HT numbers were serial numbers when in fact they could be the jewelers stock numbers? The watch is clean, with some minor scratching on the clasp as well as some scratching on the crystal, near 12 o'clock. Thanks for your help. My stomach is beginning to unknot, just a bit! Donna

Tools · 31 May 2011, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandalgirl

the bracelet number 625230( or D? hard to read!).18 and S10 appears above the bracelet number. I have seen watches that look like this one...the face doesn't appear painted. Do you think the watch is unusual looking for a 1991 watch? Are the stick hour markers unusual? The cyclops? I know the smooth bezel gives it a different look...is that an after market add on or was it a choice in bezel back in the day? The bracelet appears to be in great shape given the age of the watch. The numbers on my sales receipt are D028 and 9HT1611...Model 69163 circa 1991. Perhaps I assumed the D028 and the 9HT numbers were serial numbers when in fact they could be the jewelers stock numbers? The watch is clean, with some minor scratching on the clasp as well as some scratching on the crystal, near 12 o'clock. Thanks for your help. My stomach is beginning to unknot, just a bit! Donna

the watch looks good... the numbers on your receipt are meaningless for this discussion..

a 69163 means this..

691xx - Ladies Datejust
xxx6x - smooth bezel
xxxx3 - Two Tone
Everything is OK here..

Caseback and dial put it in the tritiuim era (before 1998)

On the bracelet the part number is good.. 18 means 18k gold and the S10 clasp code is, roughly, October 1994

So, you should be looking for a serial number that begins with S or W and is followed by 6 digits.

boogiebot · 31 May 2011, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

the watch looks good... the numbers on your receipt are meaningless for this discussion..

a 69163 means this..

691xx - Ladies Datejust
xxx6x - smooth bezel
xxxx3 - Two Tone
Everything is OK here..

Caseback and dial put it in the tritiuim era (before 1998)

On the bracelet the part number is good.. 18 means 18k gold and the S10 clasp code is, roughly, October 1994

So, you should be looking for a serial number that begins with S or W and is followed by 6 digits.

wow Larry that is some serious knowledge on these watches. very impressive

sandalgirl · 31 May 2011, 08:34 AM

Photos....

CoopJr · 31 May 2011, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandalgirl

Photos....

Any way to post larger versions of these?

train-time · 31 May 2011, 08:37 AM

The dial looks like a jubilee style.

chiko323 · 31 May 2011, 08:54 AM

Your right, the normal pics make it look more promising, but it is still strange that the dial close up looks like that.

sandalgirl · 31 May 2011, 09:21 AM

Larry, Thank you so much. Can I remove the bracelet myself to check for the serial number? If so, how? A paper clip? And, once removed, will I be able to reattach it to the watch? I am fairly handy.
Donna

CPCC · 31 May 2011, 09:24 AM

Cyclops is concerning. Not much in the way of zoom, or was it due to the photo.
It should zoom the date rather well.
Dont own any ladies watches, but all of my Rolex dont have anything on the back.

sandalgirl · 31 May 2011, 09:25 AM

Larry:One more question: if you were me, would you send it to Rolex for an inspection or to a good watch maker? The store I bought it from has been around forever and is reputable. I liked the watch because it didn't have the fluted bezel and for the not bright white face--and it was in my price range...I paid $2300 for it. I will sleep better once I see the serial number.

Tools · 31 May 2011, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandalgirl

Larry:One more question: if you were me, would you send it to Rolex for an inspection or to a good watch maker? The store I bought it from has been around forever and is reputable. I liked the watch because it didn't have the fluted bezel and for the not bright white face--and it was in my price range...I paid $2300 for it. I will sleep better once I see the serial number.

Good price, good looking watch.. I don't think that I would worry too much about this... I simply do not see anything wrong with this watch..

You could take the bracelet off with a paper clip if it has holes in the sides of the case.. otherwise, you need to collapse those spring-bars through the slots in the back with either a correct tool or a very narrow screwdriver. You only need to undo the 6 o'clock side as that is where the serial will be..

Here is a short tutorial on a men's model, but the procedures are the same for a ladies..

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=111743

31 May 2011, 05:07 AM	#1
sandalgirl Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Donna Location: USA Watch: Ladies TT Datejust Posts: 71	Should I be worried? After spending much time "lurking" about on this forum, I finally went ahead and purchased a pre-owned Ladies DateJust model 69163 from a local, trusted jeweler. The watch had no papers or boxes. The jeweler popped off the bracelet to show me the serial numbers and provided me with the serial # info on the receipt. D028 and a number beginning with 9HTxxxx. She said my watch is circa 1991. It has "original Rolex design" and "Stainless Steel" on the case back...indicative of a watch made pre-mid 1990's thank you Rolex forum members for that info But here is what concerns me: the D028 seems to indicate a watch made in 2004-05. I know that the Rolex date/numbering system can be confusing because Rolex used letters concurrently but I think there is a huge difference between the case back info and the actual serial #. The face of the watch is a pearl color, has stick numerals, smooth gold bezel and 2 tone jubilee band. The number on the band corresponds, according to the serial #, to a two-tone 18k band. I will go back to the jeweler tomorrow and express my concern---but before I do, I wonder if any of you think I have something to be concerned about. Trying to decipher the Rolex serial number dating code is confounding. I didn't think it was appropriate to post the entire serial number on this public posting, but will gladly do so via pm if anyone thinks they can shed some light on this. Btw: I am simultaneously elated when I look at my wrist, and then a little sickened thinking this isn't the read deal. Thanks to anyone who reads this and has some insight. Donna

31 May 2011, 05:43 AM	#3
Goodwatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Real Name: Frans ® Location: Rotterdam Watch: the sunrise... Posts: 10,230	Welcome Donna. I've moved this thread to another section, it will perhaps help to get some answers to your query. __________________ Member# 127

31 May 2011, 07:02 AM	#4
Christiaan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Christiaan Location: Fort Mill, SC Watch: 67' Breitling Navi Posts: 1,617	Can you post pics? This may help us help you. I might question if the case is a replacement case from Rolex. The only way to get to the bottom of this issue would be to send it to Rolex RSC for a look over...they will tell you about anything that isn't authentic or correct for this watch. __________________ "Give me the luxuries of life and I will willingly do without the necessities" Frank Lloyd Wright. "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been and there you will long to return." DaVinci

31 May 2011, 07:27 AM	#5
MortgageGuy "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Adam Location: Orlando, Florida Watch: Me Posts: 9,935	Yes, we need some pics and then the experts can chime in and help you out, unfortunatelt I am not one of them __________________ The richest people in the world look for and build NETWORKS, Everyone else looks for work... Robert Kiyosaki

31 May 2011, 07:50 AM	#6
sandalgirl Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Donna Location: USA Watch: Ladies TT Datejust Posts: 71	Should I be worried--Photo Attached Here's a photo. Thanks. Donna Attached Images

31 May 2011, 05:32 AM	#2
RRGHOST1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: luke standing Location: england Watch: Rolex TT SubC Blue Posts: 3,997	Can you give us some pics ? You are correct with the serial number starting D would be circa 04-05. Maybe other members might be able to shed some light on the 9HTxxxx number also.

31 May 2011, 07:53 AM	#7
sandalgirl Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Donna Location: USA Watch: Ladies TT Datejust Posts: 71	Should I be worried--Photo Attached I zoomed the camera on the watch to heighten the detail, but it looks as if I've distorted it somewhat, as well. Overall, the watch looks normal...size is fine, cyclops is exactly as I've seen at AD.

31 May 2011, 07:57 AM	#8
CoopJr "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Coop Location: U.S.A. Watch: Subs Posts: 6,455	This watch could have had the bracelet replaced. These jubilees do stretch out and the band in the picture appears to fit the watch well like it's a factory replacement. It all looks/seems OK to me by this one picture.

31 May 2011, 07:59 AM	#9
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	I have never seen a dial like that, show the caseback. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

31 May 2011, 08:02 AM	#11
The GMT Master "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: England Posts: 8,150	Agreed, never seen a Jubilee dial like that

31 May 2011, 08:05 AM	#14
CoopJr "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Coop Location: U.S.A. Watch: Subs Posts: 6,455	Brozeks reference book lists a model 69163 as a Datejust with a 2135 movement. 2135 movement also listed as 20mm in diameter so that would put it in the lady's range of sizes.

31 May 2011, 08:18 AM	#15
denzo "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Cheshire Watch: DJ 116234 Roman N Posts: 197	sorry - the dial looks all wrong and the cyclops looks not too good either. please show caseback and bracelet back markings

31 May 2011, 08:18 AM	#16
chiko323 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: MA Watch: AP & Rolex Posts: 953	With all the info here I'd say best case senario is that you have some kind of aftermarket dial. Another thing I just noticed is that something seems weird about the crown. I might just be seeing things, but it doesnt look right to me.

31 May 2011, 08:27 AM	#17
sandalgirl Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Donna Location: USA Watch: Ladies TT Datejust Posts: 71	I am sending a photo with no zoom. When viewed with the naked eye, there is no embossing...it only appears when I magnify the photo. The case back says "original Rolex design" and stainless steel. Pictures next. Thanks

31 May 2011, 08:41 AM	#19
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,516	You have me confused... Your watch looks fine for a 90's ladies TT Datejust and the tritium dial fits that era; the corresponding model number and bracelet number should be for a TT Ladies DJ w/Jubilee, and you state that they are... However D028, and then 9HTxxxx are meaningless in the context that you are using them.. I think that there may be a mistake with transcribing the serial number.. (or perhaps I have a brain lock) If you want to get to the bottom of this, you need to take the bracelet off and ensure that you have a 7 digit serial number beginning with a letter. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

31 May 2011, 09:05 AM	#20
sandalgirl Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Donna Location: USA Watch: Ladies TT Datejust Posts: 71	Thanks Larry the bracelet number 625230( or D? hard to read!).18 and S10 appears above the bracelet number. I have seen watches that look like this one...the face doesn't appear painted. Do you think the watch is unusual looking for a 1991 watch? Are the stick hour markers unusual? The cyclops? I know the smooth bezel gives it a different look...is that an after market add on or was it a choice in bezel back in the day? The bracelet appears to be in great shape given the age of the watch. The numbers on my sales receipt are D028 and 9HT1611...Model 69163 circa 1991. Perhaps I assumed the D028 and the 9HT numbers were serial numbers when in fact they could be the jewelers stock numbers? The watch is clean, with some minor scratching on the clasp as well as some scratching on the crystal, near 12 o'clock. Thanks for your help. My stomach is beginning to unknot, just a bit! Donna

31 May 2011, 08:34 AM	#23
sandalgirl Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Donna Location: USA Watch: Ladies TT Datejust Posts: 71	should I be worried Photos.... Attached Images

31 May 2011, 08:37 AM	#25
train-time 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Plankton Location: US Watch: less Posts: 4,161	The dial looks like a jubilee style.

31 May 2011, 08:54 AM	#26
chiko323 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: MA Watch: AP & Rolex Posts: 953	Your right, the normal pics make it look more promising, but it is still strange that the dial close up looks like that.

31 May 2011, 09:21 AM	#27
sandalgirl Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Donna Location: USA Watch: Ladies TT Datejust Posts: 71	Larry, Thank you so much. Can I remove the bracelet myself to check for the serial number? If so, how? A paper clip? And, once removed, will I be able to reattach it to the watch? I am fairly handy. Donna

31 May 2011, 09:24 AM	#28
CPCC "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Bill Location: USA Posts: 1,857	Cyclops is concerning. Not much in the way of zoom, or was it due to the photo. It should zoom the date rather well. Dont own any ladies watches, but all of my Rolex dont have anything on the back. __________________

31 May 2011, 09:25 AM	#29
sandalgirl Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Donna Location: USA Watch: Ladies TT Datejust Posts: 71	Larry:One more question: if you were me, would you send it to Rolex for an inspection or to a good watch maker? The store I bought it from has been around forever and is reputable. I liked the watch because it didn't have the fluted bezel and for the not bright white face--and it was in my price range...I paid $2300 for it. I will sleep better once I see the serial number.

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