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haakon59 · 27 June 2007, 09:28 AM

This is a question you can answer many ways, depending on what is most important to you in a watch. But if you had to pick the most important diver that's come along, which would it be? Here's the list to pick from:

1. Blancpain 50 Fathoms (I believe this was the very first diver)
2. Rolex Submariner (This is perhaps the most imitated design of any)
3. Omega Seamaster (Great value, been in production a long time, popular)
4. Doxa (A diver that gets used by real divers, used by tactical teams in the CIA and other special services. Not the highest seller, but the design says "pure")

C.J. · 27 June 2007, 09:31 AM

IMHO, The Blancpain 50 began it all. But, the Submariner is the one that took the ball and ran with it

haakon59 · 27 June 2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by C.J.

IMHO, The Blancpain 50 began it all. But, the Submariner is the one that took the ball and ran with it

Yes, a good way to put it.

USNA98 · 27 June 2007, 09:34 AM

I say the Omega Seamaster Chronograph, because that is what I own. However, the SeaDweller is really nice but does it matter if it is tested to 4000ft. Divers can only go down to 200 ft anyways unless you are in a pressure suit where you won't be seeing your watch anyways.

mike · 27 June 2007, 10:05 AM

leopardprey · 27 June 2007, 10:23 AM

Doxa (A diver that gets used by real divers, used by tactical teams in the CIA and other special services. Not the highest seller, but the design says "pure")

Don't know where your getting that CIA BS from. But, the DOXA is made popluar by Clive Cussler's Dirk Pitt character.

roadcarver · 27 June 2007, 10:49 AM

Yeah, only a few watches can use the chrono pushers under water :-)

I have the same one too...

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Originally Posted by USNA98

I say the Omega Seamaster Chronograph, because that is what I own. However, the SeaDweller is really nice but does it matter if it is tested to 4000ft. Divers can only go down to 200 ft anyways unless you are in a pressure suit where you won't be seeing your watch anyways.

haakon59 · 27 June 2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by leopardprey

Doxa (A diver that gets used by real divers, used by tactical teams in the CIA and other special services. Not the highest seller, but the design says "pure")

Don't know where your getting that CIA BS from. But, the DOXA is made popluar by Clive Cussler's Dirk Pitt character.

Yes, I know about Clive Cussler's Dirk Pitt character. Cussler started out with Rolex then switched to Doxa in his later books. As to your BS remark, well, I knew a few tactical divers a few years ago, they mentioned this to me and they did contract dives. Moreover, both Doxa and Tutima are mentioned as watches used on missions. Sure, I am betting a lot of other brands are used as well. These were just some things that were mentioned to me, so I will stand by them.

ezmoney46 · 27 June 2007, 10:52 AM

Although I own the SS sub date which I like a lot ........Duh! I wouldn't mind owning the Doxa either.

haakon59 · 27 June 2007, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ezmoney46

Although I own the SS sub date which I like a lot ........Duh! I wouldn't mind owning the Doxa either.

I haven't owned a Doxa either yet. When the reissues first came out I thought I would buy one, then I watched how they treated several of their posters/customers and got turned off. Since then, I have noticed that most people who have them are very enthusiastic about them and have high praise for the watches, so I am reconsidering and may pick one up, I think they look very cool.

ezmoney46 · 27 June 2007, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by haakon59

I haven't owned a Doxa either yet. When the reissues first came out I thought I would buy one, then I watched how they treated several of their posters/customers and got turned off. Since then, I have noticed that most people who have them are very enthusiastic about them and have high praise for the watches, so I am reconsidering and may pick one up, I think they look very cool.

This is the one I would get

haakon59 · 27 June 2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ezmoney46

This is the one I would get

Yes, I like that one as well. I have also been thinking about the 1000T Sharkhunter. I wish the Divingstar GMT (yellow) was still available.

ezmoney46 · 27 June 2007, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by haakon59

Yes, I like that one as well. I have also been thinking about the 1000T Sharkhunter. I wish the Divingstar GMT (yellow) was still available.

I haven't followed their line of watches as of late, But I do remember the yellow I also liked it as well

Steve

Interested Bystander · 27 June 2007, 12:31 PM

That Blancpain watch is one fine looking watch.

So did the Submariner get its basic design from it,

very similar.

Doesn't matter a very very fine watch indeed.

idoitsavant · 27 June 2007, 02:46 PM

I have looked at Doxa watches before I think these watches best represent the Divers series.

I say that cos they are hugh and they come with good lume and legible indices. The bezels also serve their functions well.

Also, if I were to beat up a Doxa, I would not feel as much pain as I would with a Rolex.

GoldenBear · 27 June 2007, 03:04 PM

I think the Rolex Submariner and/or the Sea Dweller are the gold standard of the diving watches. Every other dive watch just wants to be like them.

Interested Bystander · 27 June 2007, 03:37 PM

I think you are right Golden Bear.

Omega would probably argue that point though.

JJ Irani · 27 June 2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ezmoney46

This is the one I would get

Hey Steve,

If our Ed (Rockrolex) sees that ORANGE, he's going to have a coronary and then ban you....and not necessarily in that order!!

leopardprey · 27 June 2007, 06:45 PM

You could say that Casios are used by CIA teams also, as well as Timex, Citizen, Rolex, Doxa, etc...

Just cause one or two people in a SMU have a certain watch, does not mean it is standard issue or all in the SMU use it.

Typical marketing ploy that manufactures use ("watch used by SEAL operatoer" " worn by Green Berets"), etc...

As far as DOXA, Clive Cussler was given a orange face Doxa Watch by his boss when he left working at a dive shop to begin his writing career. A reward from his boss for his years of hard work at the shop Thus Dirk Pitt wears a Doxa in his books. Never seen a reference in any of the Dirk Pitt novels to him wearing a Rolex.

astcell · 27 June 2007, 08:21 PM

Chad, I have given my endorsement to a product or two, once I even called the manufactrer to offer advice, he came out with a new product, sent me one for free, then sold it as "Specops tested and aproved."

leopardprey · 27 June 2007, 08:41 PM

I have done the same (Spyderco knives) in the past as well. But, what I am saying is one or two guys in a particular unit who test out a product, cause the company gives it to them to test out, does not make it "Standard" issue or used by all. It is then used as a Marketing ploy that many buy into. When in reality it usually is just a few. For example there is another Knife company that was bosting on it's web page and advertisements, that their knifes where used by a particular unit I was in. Well, in the several years I was in that unit, I never once saw or even heard of that brand of knife. But, their marketing ploy worked as many bought the knife, so as they could have the same type of knife certain "operators" were carrying and thus live the fantasy or thought that the knife was proven. When in fact it was probably only one guy using the knife, and everyone else had less exepnsive KBars, Spydercos, issue Dive knives.

But, if I was manufacturing a product, I would probably do the same. Pass out a few free samples to Joes overseas, ask for some photos and feedback and then advertise or redesign product based on their feedback.

padi56 · 27 June 2007, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leopardprey

You could say that Casios are used by CIA teams also, as well as Timex, Citizen, Rolex, Doxa, etc...

Just cause one or two people in a SMU have a certain watch, does not mean it is standard issue or all in the SMU use it.

Typical marketing ploy that manufactures use ("watch used by SEAL operatoer" " worn by Green Berets"), etc...

As far as DOXA, Clive Cussler was given a orange face Doxa Watch by his boss when he left working at a dive shop to begin his writing career. A reward from his boss for his years of hard work at the shop Thus Dirk Pitt wears a Doxa in his books. Never seen a reference in any of the Dirk Pitt novels to him wearing a Rolex.

Around 1969, Doxa introduced the first diver watch equipped with a Helium Release Valve that was available first to the general public.And its widely believed to have been co-developed by Doxa and Rolex.Now Rolex submitted a prototype patent on 6th November 1967.Although Rolex fitted Submariners (model 5513 - non date) with prototypes of this escape valve, for the COMEX divers.They did not start to build the Helium Release Valve into their retail dive watches until the SD in 1971,two years after the Doxa.Now after a bit of negotiations with Doxa and both companies had a good working relationship they decided to share the H/Valve patent to get it into the new Rolex SD. Always a fan of Doxa but at the moment a lot of unrest in the company.But for general diving watches from Seiko and Citizen especially the quartz Citizen Promaster range. Has far more diving related functions than any simple time laspe bezel.

Alex Stylianou · 27 June 2007, 10:25 PM

SS ROlex Submariner

Gedanken · 27 June 2007, 10:50 PM

While the 50F was the first, it's largely been overshadowed by the Submariner - now whether that's a matter of design, build quality or just good marketing is a matter of argument. Between the two, I'd say the Sub's much more the quintessential diver's watch. That said, I'd say that the Doxa says "serious diver's watch" more clearly than the Sub, but only because of its more utilitarian design. As for the Seamaster, what with all the changes over the years, the current design is makes it the new kid on the block.

SLRdude · 28 June 2007, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Gedanken

As for the Seamaster, what with all the changes over the years, the current design is makes it the new kid on the block.

You think?
IMHO the Planet Ocean is a spitting image of the Seamaster 300.

C.J. · 28 June 2007, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by comatox

You think?
IMHO the Planet Ocean is a spitting image of the Seamaster 300.

I've heard that said a few times now. I dig me some Omegas

and want a PO on rubber strap along with the new 2220.80. I think the PO has an incredibly cool vintage look to it with the arrow hands, bezel style and 12, 6, 9 dial layout, but I just don't see the strong resemblance to the SM 300.

haakon59 · 28 June 2007, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C.J.

I've heard that said a few times now. I dig me some Omegas

and want a PO on rubber strap along with the new 2220.80. I think the PO has an incredibly cool vintage look to it with the arrow hands, bezel style and 12, 6, 9 dial layout, but I just don't see the strong resemblance to the SM 300.

Planet Ocean is high on my list as well--it's a beautiful watch.

GerardoG · 28 June 2007, 06:54 AM

(I know I will get banned and on JJ's tosser list for this, but here it goes.....)

I have used 3 watches for diving: 2T sub, omega seamaster and this baby; guess which one gets the MOST comments

haakon59 · 28 June 2007, 07:20 AM

GerardoG

Did you swim/scuba in the ocean with your 2-tone Sub? Did the gold get a lot of scratches? I am interested because I am considering the 2-tone submariner. However, the overwhelming majority of my use of the water will be in the swimming pool, but I was wondering how much the gold scratches.

C.J. · 28 June 2007, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GerardoG

(I know I will get banned and on JJ's tosser list for this, but here it goes.....)

I have used 3 watches for diving: 2T sub, omega seamaster and this baby; guess which one gets the MOST comments

Gerardo, with your amazing collection, you're allowed to wear that.........................................but just barely

27 June 2007, 09:28 AM	#1
haakon59 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,571	Which Dive Watch says "Diver" the best? This is a question you can answer many ways, depending on what is most important to you in a watch. But if you had to pick the most important diver that's come along, which would it be? Here's the list to pick from: 1. Blancpain 50 Fathoms (I believe this was the very first diver) 2. Rolex Submariner (This is perhaps the most imitated design of any) 3. Omega Seamaster (Great value, been in production a long time, popular) 4. Doxa (A diver that gets used by real divers, used by tactical teams in the CIA and other special services. Not the highest seller, but the design says "pure")

27 June 2007, 09:31 AM	#2
C.J. "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: * Posts: 10,196	IMHO, The Blancpain 50 began it all. But, the Submariner is the one that took the ball and ran with it __________________ Me? I'm still looking for Kokomo. I just hope that damn golfer isn't there

27 June 2007, 09:34 AM	#4
USNA98 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Philly, PA Posts: 12	The Seamaster I say the Omega Seamaster Chronograph, because that is what I own. However, the SeaDweller is really nice but does it matter if it is tested to 4000ft. Divers can only go down to 200 ft anyways unless you are in a pressure suit where you won't be seeing your watch anyways.

27 June 2007, 10:50 PM	#24
Gedanken "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Sir Location: Melbourne Watch: F-series SD Posts: 8,589	While the 50F was the first, it's largely been overshadowed by the Submariner - now whether that's a matter of design, build quality or just good marketing is a matter of argument. Between the two, I'd say the Sub's much more the quintessential diver's watch. That said, I'd say that the Doxa says "serious diver's watch" more clearly than the Sub, but only because of its more utilitarian design. As for the Seamaster, what with all the changes over the years, the current design is makes it the new kid on the block. __________________ You buy a Casio to make sure you're on time; you wear a Rolex because you don't have to be on time.

27 June 2007, 10:05 AM	#5
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683

27 June 2007, 10:23 AM	#6
leopardprey Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Chad Location: Around the world Watch: Panerai 233 Posts: 4,204	Doxa (A diver that gets used by real divers, used by tactical teams in the CIA and other special services. Not the highest seller, but the design says "pure") Don't know where your getting that CIA BS from. But, the DOXA is made popluar by Clive Cussler's Dirk Pitt character.

27 June 2007, 10:52 AM	#9
ezmoney46 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: steve Location: florida Watch: several Posts: 711	Although I own the SS sub date which I like a lot ........Duh! I wouldn't mind owning the Doxa either.

27 June 2007, 12:31 PM	#14
Interested Bystander Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: David Location: Arlington, Texas Watch: Rolex Oysterdate Posts: 102	That Blancpain watch is one fine looking watch. So did the Submariner get its basic design from it, very similar. Doesn't matter a very very fine watch indeed.

27 June 2007, 02:46 PM	#15
idoitsavant Member Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Ivan Location: singapore Watch: WGDJ Posts: 177	I have looked at Doxa watches before I think these watches best represent the Divers series. I say that cos they are hugh and they come with good lume and legible indices. The bezels also serve their functions well. Also, if I were to beat up a Doxa, I would not feel as much pain as I would with a Rolex.

27 June 2007, 03:04 PM	#16
GoldenBear "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: San Francisco Watch: Submariner Posts: 2,480	I think the Rolex Submariner and/or the Sea Dweller are the gold standard of the diving watches. Every other dive watch just wants to be like them.

27 June 2007, 03:37 PM	#17
Interested Bystander Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: David Location: Arlington, Texas Watch: Rolex Oysterdate Posts: 102	I think you are right Golden Bear. Omega would probably argue that point though.

27 June 2007, 06:45 PM	#19
leopardprey Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Chad Location: Around the world Watch: Panerai 233 Posts: 4,204	You could say that Casios are used by CIA teams also, as well as Timex, Citizen, Rolex, Doxa, etc... Just cause one or two people in a SMU have a certain watch, does not mean it is standard issue or all in the SMU use it. Typical marketing ploy that manufactures use ("watch used by SEAL operatoer" " worn by Green Berets"), etc... As far as DOXA, Clive Cussler was given a orange face Doxa Watch by his boss when he left working at a dive shop to begin his writing career. A reward from his boss for his years of hard work at the shop Thus Dirk Pitt wears a Doxa in his books. Never seen a reference in any of the Dirk Pitt novels to him wearing a Rolex.

27 June 2007, 08:21 PM	#20
astcell "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Robert Location: Angelus Oaks, CA Watch: 116713 Posts: 6,828	Chad, I have given my endorsement to a product or two, once I even called the manufactrer to offer advice, he came out with a new product, sent me one for free, then sold it as "Specops tested and aproved."

27 June 2007, 08:41 PM	#21
leopardprey Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Chad Location: Around the world Watch: Panerai 233 Posts: 4,204	I have done the same (Spyderco knives) in the past as well. But, what I am saying is one or two guys in a particular unit who test out a product, cause the company gives it to them to test out, does not make it "Standard" issue or used by all. It is then used as a Marketing ploy that many buy into. When in reality it usually is just a few. For example there is another Knife company that was bosting on it's web page and advertisements, that their knifes where used by a particular unit I was in. Well, in the several years I was in that unit, I never once saw or even heard of that brand of knife. But, their marketing ploy worked as many bought the knife, so as they could have the same type of knife certain "operators" were carrying and thus live the fantasy or thought that the knife was proven. When in fact it was probably only one guy using the knife, and everyone else had less exepnsive KBars, Spydercos, issue Dive knives. But, if I was manufacturing a product, I would probably do the same. Pass out a few free samples to Joes overseas, ask for some photos and feedback and then advertise or redesign product based on their feedback.

27 June 2007, 10:25 PM	#23
Alex Stylianou "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,785	SS ROlex Submariner

28 June 2007, 06:54 AM	#28
GerardoG Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Real Name: Gerardo Location: Here Watch: ALL of them Posts: 32,098	(I know I will get banned and on JJ's tosser list for this, but here it goes.....) I have used 3 watches for diving: 2T sub, omega seamaster and this baby; guess which one gets the MOST comments

28 June 2007, 07:20 AM	#29
haakon59 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,571	GerardoG Did you swim/scuba in the ocean with your 2-tone Sub? Did the gold get a lot of scratches? I am interested because I am considering the 2-tone submariner. However, the overwhelming majority of my use of the water will be in the swimming pool, but I was wondering how much the gold scratches.

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