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4therightcause · 26 August 2011, 11:46 PM

Hi everyone I am a new TRF member. I am hoping the Guru's here can help me out. I know a little bit about Submariners but have no clue about Daytona's except I want one. I know a guy locally who wants to sell a V serial Daytona however the movement was changed out with a Zenith El Primero 39 jewel movement. The story is that the original movement got damaged by water and Rolex wanted $4500 to replace it The Zenith I guess was a perfect drop in and he was able to get it for $1500. He has all the original boxes and paperwork. What are the potential pitfalls of this watch? I am sure resale is affected a lot but what should this watch go for? Is it possible the whole thing is a fake it just has a high end movement?

chachee · 26 August 2011, 11:52 PM

If you have a doubt than why take a chance and go to an AD.

padi56 · 26 August 2011, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 4therightcause

Hi everyone I am a new TRF member. I am hoping the Guru's here can help me out. I know a little bit about Submariners but have no clue about Daytona's except I want one. I know a guy locally who wants to sell a V serial Daytona however the movement was changed out with a Zenith El Primero 39 jewel movement. The story is that the original movement got damaged by water and Rolex wanted $4500 to replace it The Zenith I guess was a perfect drop in and he was able to get it for $1500. He has all the original boxes and paperwork. What are the potential pitfalls of this watch? I am sure resale is affected a lot but what should this watch go for? Is it possible the whole thing is a fake it just has a high end movement?

Well first his story must be complete bull as a V serial would of had the Cal 4130 with the sub seconds at 6 O'Clock position.The the Zenith Cal 4030 had the sub seconds at the 9 O'Clock position.So unless the dial was changed it would not be a movement drop in myself would not touch it with a 10ft barge pole.And that dial was not available on any of the Zenith or the In-house S.steel Daytona only the gold.

MonBK · 27 August 2011, 12:04 AM

What is the asking price for a white gold Daytona with a replaced movement?

Welshwatchman · 27 August 2011, 12:34 AM

The story stinks to high heaven.

Quite what the real situation is, who knows, though I'd run a mile if I were you.

4therightcause · 27 August 2011, 12:38 AM

Thank you all for the responses. He is willing to sell it for $5000 and willing to take it to an AD (Tourneau) to be looked at by the watchmaker does this change any opinions?

MonBK · 27 August 2011, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 4therightcause

Thank you all for the responses. He is willing to sell it for $5000 and willing to take it to an AD (Tourneau) to be looked at by the watchmaker does this change any opinions?

I would pay $5,000 in a heartbeat for a white gold Daytona without a movement.

dddrees · 27 August 2011, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by 4therightcause

Thank you all for the responses. He is willing to sell it for $5000 and willing to take it to an AD (Tourneau) to be looked at by the watchmaker does this change any opinions?

Sure, take it to the AD to verify exactly what it is. But I wouldn't buy a Frankenwatch no matter how much he wants to sell it for.

tkc324 · 27 August 2011, 12:40 AM

Just reading and looking at the pic give me a feeling of uneasiness. An owner that can afford a white gold Daytona would opt to cheap out from the original 4130 movt, and instead install a Zenith movt that will change the chrono function of the original watch??? I have a very hard time believing this story, however I like to give everyone the benefit of doubt. If you want to buy it, you better take this to a Rolex dealer to have them open the case and check everything out. Good luck

Paulie 50 · 27 August 2011, 12:56 AM

Where did White Gold come into it?

MonBK · 27 August 2011, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Paulie 50

Where did White Gold come into it?

Did you look at the OP's pictures?

rr-nyc · 27 August 2011, 12:59 AM

Have you seen the watch in person or are these pics he sent you? There are so many red flags with this one

1) Like Padi said, the Zenith is not a drop in movement unless they used a Zenith dial, which it is not.

2) It has a dial from a WG Daytona. When was it replaced and how could it be attached to a Zenith movement

3) The clasp looks like the old style but I cannot see it 100% clearly

4) The green sticker on a V series? I bought a BNIB V and it didn't have it. Again, I can't see it 100% clearly but I don't think the sticker even says 116520.

MortgageGuy · 27 August 2011, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Paulie 50

Where did White Gold come into it?

The pictures posted by the OP are of a white gold Daytona

I would not touch it...dont walk away RUN AWAY... This is not making any sense. As above someone with 30k for a gold watch isnt going to sell it for 5k or put a different movement in, RUN FOREST RUN

4therightcause · 27 August 2011, 01:14 AM

I was told this watch was stainless not WG?

MonBK · 27 August 2011, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 4therightcause

I was told this watch was stainless not WG?

The pictures you posted are of a white gold Daytona.

4therightcause · 27 August 2011, 01:34 AM

Thank you all very much! I am continually amazed at the knowledge on this forum. I will be staying as FAR AWAY from this watch as possible. Going to be content with my 16613 Champagne Serti Sub for the time being.

MonBK · 27 August 2011, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 4therightcause

Thank you all very much! I am continually amazed at the knowledge on this forum. I will be staying as FAR AWAY from this watch as possible. Going to be content with my 16613 Champagne Serti Sub for the time being.

Why, if it's a white gold Daytona you're making a killing at 5k.

dalip · 27 August 2011, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 4therightcause

Thank you all very much! I am continually amazed at the knowledge on this forum. I will be staying as FAR AWAY from this watch as possible. Going to be content with my 16613 Champagne Serti Sub for the time being.

Good call.

padi56 · 27 August 2011, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MortgageGuy

The pictures posted by the OP are of a white gold Daytona

I would not touch it...dont walk away RUN AWAY... This is not making any sense. As above someone with 30k for a gold watch isnt going to sell it for 5k or put a different movement in, RUN FOREST RUN

No the pictures are of a watch and a dial that only available in the gold versions of the Daytona as I stated in my post above.

MonBK · 27 August 2011, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

No the pictures are of a watch and a dial that only available in the gold versions of the Daytona as I stated in my post above.

As well as the bezel.

Submarino · 27 August 2011, 02:03 AM

Run as fast as you can and don't look back!

Christian B · 27 August 2011, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 4therightcause

Thank you all for the responses. He is willing to sell it for $5000 and willing to take it to an AD (Tourneau) to be looked at by the watchmaker does this change any opinions?

I would go along with this; take it to the AD and get the facts. For 5K this might be a good deal. You could find out what it would cost to restore/service the watch. It's risk-free to go to the AD, as well as entertaining. (Worst case for you would be an interesting experience, and new knowledge.)

As others have said, the dial and bezel are from the white-gold Daytona. The case/bracelet might be too. There is obvious BS in the owner's story, but he might have his facts wrong.

Who dares wins, IMHO.

Edit: The sticker on the back appears to indicate "116520". This would be the SS Daytona. Here's a pic from the current white-gold 116509. Are all your pictures verified to be from the watch in question?

chicagofan · 27 August 2011, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by submarino

run as fast as you can and don't look back!

x2!

landroverking · 27 August 2011, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by chicagofan

x2!

x3

Tools · 27 August 2011, 08:27 AM

First I would ask you the source of those photographs..

As many have said, they cannot be of a watch configured as has been described... This is either a scam, or a very misinformed seller..

rosspanics · 27 August 2011, 09:09 AM

Glad you decided to run... this story is very sketchy!

HL65 · 27 August 2011, 09:14 AM

Walk away. I wouldn't touch that watch now or ever regardless of price.

skyedog · 27 August 2011, 09:25 AM

I smell fish!!! Very fishy!!!

AJMarcus · 27 August 2011, 09:28 AM

That story is way too convoluted to me. I'd stay away from it. You can get great deals from trusted TRF sellers if your patient. DaviD SW always seems to have Daytonas every so often. I bought mine from DSW and I'm very satisfied.

mboverst · 27 August 2011, 09:35 AM

Just as a follow up, even though you made the right decision to run, many 'high-end' (that's a misnomer) fakes would swap out movements to make for a more stable running piece of junk.

Just my 0.02, but never trust an AD's word. I've seen AD's being fooled by good fakes a lot in this industry. Unless they have an in-house watch expert who looks at all their trade-ins, most wouldn't know a real one form a $10 Canal Street special. You're better off meeting a local seller at a pawn shop who makes their living identifying fakes.

26 August 2011, 11:46 PM	#1
4therightcause "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Aaron Wolf Location: Naples Florida Watch: 116500 Black Posts: 267	Help with a Rolex Daytona Hi everyone I am a new TRF member. I am hoping the Guru's here can help me out. I know a little bit about Submariners but have no clue about Daytona's except I want one. I know a guy locally who wants to sell a V serial Daytona however the movement was changed out with a Zenith El Primero 39 jewel movement. The story is that the original movement got damaged by water and Rolex wanted $4500 to replace it The Zenith I guess was a perfect drop in and he was able to get it for $1500. He has all the original boxes and paperwork. What are the potential pitfalls of this watch? I am sure resale is affected a lot but what should this watch go for? Is it possible the whole thing is a fake it just has a high end movement? Attached Images

27 August 2011, 12:34 AM	#5
Welshwatchman "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Paul Location: Wales, UK Posts: 14,578	The story stinks to high heaven. Quite what the real situation is, who knows, though I'd run a mile if I were you. __________________ ..33

27 August 2011, 02:03 AM	#21
Submarino "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Mr. H Location: Dallas Watch: them for me! Posts: 7,180	Run as fast as you can and don't look back! __________________ WATCHES ARE THE NEW CURRENCY!/ MEMBER 27491/OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED OLD TIMER /AP OWNERS CLUB MEMBER Instagram @watchcollectinglifestyle

27 August 2011, 08:27 AM	#25
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	First I would ask you the source of those photographs.. As many have said, they cannot be of a watch configured as has been described... This is either a scam, or a very misinformed seller.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

27 August 2011, 09:14 AM	#27
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 64,008	Walk away. I wouldn't touch that watch now or ever regardless of price. __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

26 August 2011, 11:52 PM	#2
chachee "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 29	If you have a doubt than why take a chance and go to an AD.

27 August 2011, 12:04 AM	#4
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	What is the asking price for a white gold Daytona with a replaced movement?

27 August 2011, 12:38 AM	#6
4therightcause "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Aaron Wolf Location: Naples Florida Watch: 116500 Black Posts: 267	Thank you all for the responses. He is willing to sell it for $5000 and willing to take it to an AD (Tourneau) to be looked at by the watchmaker does this change any opinions?

27 August 2011, 12:40 AM	#9
tkc324 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Tom Location: Chi town Watch: Daytona AP DD Sub Posts: 3,717	Just reading and looking at the pic give me a feeling of uneasiness. An owner that can afford a white gold Daytona would opt to cheap out from the original 4130 movt, and instead install a Zenith movt that will change the chrono function of the original watch??? I have a very hard time believing this story, however I like to give everyone the benefit of doubt. If you want to buy it, you better take this to a Rolex dealer to have them open the case and check everything out. Good luck

27 August 2011, 12:56 AM	#10
Paulie 50 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Lancs. England Posts: 1,000	Where did White Gold come into it?

27 August 2011, 12:59 AM	#12
rr-nyc Liar & Ratbag Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Renato Location: NYC / Miami Beach Watch: Rolex Daytona Posts: 5,344	Have you seen the watch in person or are these pics he sent you? There are so many red flags with this one 1) Like Padi said, the Zenith is not a drop in movement unless they used a Zenith dial, which it is not. 2) It has a dial from a WG Daytona. When was it replaced and how could it be attached to a Zenith movement 3) The clasp looks like the old style but I cannot see it 100% clearly 4) The green sticker on a V series? I bought a BNIB V and it didn't have it. Again, I can't see it 100% clearly but I don't think the sticker even says 116520.

27 August 2011, 01:14 AM	#14
4therightcause "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Aaron Wolf Location: Naples Florida Watch: 116500 Black Posts: 267	I was told this watch was stainless not WG?

27 August 2011, 01:34 AM	#16
4therightcause "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Aaron Wolf Location: Naples Florida Watch: 116500 Black Posts: 267	Thank you all very much! I am continually amazed at the knowledge on this forum. I will be staying as FAR AWAY from this watch as possible. Going to be content with my 16613 Champagne Serti Sub for the time being.

27 August 2011, 09:09 AM	#26
rosspanics "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Rocky Mountains Watch: Exp2, Exp1 Posts: 727	Glad you decided to run... this story is very sketchy!

27 August 2011, 09:25 AM	#28
skyedog "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: Joey Location: around the Bay Watch: ing TRF Posts: 1,942	I smell fish!!! Very fishy!!!

27 August 2011, 09:28 AM	#29
AJMarcus "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: AJ Location: USA Watch: Swiss Posts: 5,238	That story is way too convoluted to me. I'd stay away from it. You can get great deals from trusted TRF sellers if your patient. DaviD SW always seems to have Daytonas every so often. I bought mine from DSW and I'm very satisfied.

27 August 2011, 09:35 AM	#30
mboverst "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Matt Location: Dallas Posts: 1,683	Just as a follow up, even though you made the right decision to run, many 'high-end' (that's a misnomer) fakes would swap out movements to make for a more stable running piece of junk. Just my 0.02, but never trust an AD's word. I've seen AD's being fooled by good fakes a lot in this industry. Unless they have an in-house watch expert who looks at all their trade-ins, most wouldn't know a real one form a $10 Canal Street special. You're better off meeting a local seller at a pawn shop who makes their living identifying fakes.

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