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ajmarton · 10 July 2007, 09:53 AM

I am going to buy a 2006 previously owned Rolex LV in like new condition. The model number / serial number are 16610TLV D59xxxx. I will get the whole serial number when I actually look at the watch. What should I specifically focus upon to make sure I am getting the real deal? Andrew

Rubenonfire · 10 July 2007, 09:59 AM

Is it local? Can you just take it to an AD with the seller to verify the authenticity?

Tools · 10 July 2007, 10:05 AM

Andrew,

The only real test is to have a watchmaker take off the back cover and look for a Rolex movement. Nobody has successfully faked one of those yet for the LV.

Any decent watchmaker can do this and if I had any questions at all, I would insist on it.

I'll bet that some LV owners will love to post pictures of theirs so you can print out some gidelines.

A "D" serial number is in the right date range. Good luck !!

mike · 10 July 2007, 10:09 AM

Couple of things,

1. No where on the watch itself is the designation 16610LV. Between the lugs the reference number will read 16610T--just like any non-lug hole Sub. Rolex uses the same case for both references.

I'm a bit reluctant to buy a pre-owned LV for that reason WITHOUT the papers that will reflect the ser. no. on the watch.
On the papers the reference number will state 16610Vxxxxx

16610LV appears on the hang tag ONLY--at least those sold in the U.S.

2. Many early fake LVs got the tick spacing wrong at 6 o'clock were "SWISS MADE" is stated.

SWISS MADE should be just inside the 28 to 32 minute markers or just overlapping.

Just inside,

Overlapping,

IF IT'S GOT LUG HOLES RUN!

There are pics of LVs with lug holes, but these were Rolex generated photos put out before the introduction of the LV to throw off fakers.

Rolex photo,

ajmarton · 10 July 2007, 10:13 AM

Thanks. I am going to print this all out. The guy is local but I will not be able to check it out at an AD until the next day. Here are some pictures of it.

mike · 10 July 2007, 10:41 AM

Not sure what country code 410 is.

I did find this though,
http://forums.timezone.com/index.php...0&rev=&reveal=

Bama · 10 July 2007, 11:42 AM

A couple of pics of mine (not the best quality). The watch you have there looks OK but I'm not sure about the serial number on the paperwork. Mine does not have LV in the serial number and I'm not sure what the first 3 numbers you have there are. They don't appear on my paperwork. I'm not an expert though and there could be a good reason for this. Good luck!

Oyster Lover · 10 July 2007, 11:53 AM

My paperwork also doesn't have LV in the serial number... The only place you'll get the LV is on the plastic tag that came with the watch. It's strange that your paperwork would have LV in the number...

Tools · 10 July 2007, 12:33 PM

this is pure speculation, but here goes

The watch looks genuine.

The seriel number is between the lugs and to see it the bracelet must come off...insist on this. Any paper with the watch is worthless for this in my opinion.

Good questions have been raised about the paperwork. However, with the current frenzy for "papered" watches it is entirely possible that the seller purchased those things because they are in demand. The paperwork is of no value to you as a second owner in the US, and only outside the US if it is still within the warranty period.

If the paper, box, etc were purchased separately,it should not be a deal breaker if the watch is genuine. The seller is only guilty of bad judgement and not fraud - unless he is attempting to prove a fake is real by providing all the "expected" goodies.

ajmarton · 10 July 2007, 01:05 PM

Supposedly it is a 2006 production. Should that make a difference on the serial number? Andrew

John685 · 10 July 2007, 02:32 PM

There is no 410 country code in Brozek's Rolex Report. 400 is Hong Kong and 413 is Korea

ajmarton · 10 July 2007, 05:21 PM

Apparently the watch is from Japan which according to the seller is why the certificate is different.

triton · 10 July 2007, 05:52 PM

if it is from japan, then country code is 900. unless i am wrong.

davinci · 10 July 2007, 06:05 PM

410 is the country code for Japan

SPACE-DWELLER · 10 July 2007, 08:03 PM

The BEST thing would to demand that the watch be taken to an AD for authentification. Only then you can be absolutelety positive that it is the real McCoy.

Having said that, from the pictures it does look real to me, but still:

Have an AD check it for you!

ajmarton · 11 July 2007, 10:41 AM

Well, I bit the bullet and got the LV. Took it to my watch smith and had the back case removed - it is a genuine Rolex. I will miss the GMT II but am happy about the LV. It is lighter and more comfortable on my wrist than the GMT II (2 tone). Thanks for everyone's help.

Rubenonfire · 11 July 2007, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajmarton

Well, I bit the bullet and got the LV. Took it to my watch smith and had the back case removed - it is a genuine Rolex. I will miss the GMT II but am happy about the LV. It is lighter and more comfortable on my wrist than the GMT II (2 tone). Thanks for everyone's help.

Congrats, and really relieved it worked out for you!! Enjoy it.

Bama · 11 July 2007, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajmarton

Well, I bit the bullet and got the LV. Took it to my watch smith and had the back case removed - it is a genuine Rolex. I will miss the GMT II but am happy about the LV. It is lighter and more comfortable on my wrist than the GMT II (2 tone). Thanks for everyone's help.

I'm glad you got the watch. I hope you enjoy it.

Tools · 11 July 2007, 10:51 AM

mike · 11 July 2007, 10:57 AM

Congrats!

dman · 11 July 2007, 01:21 PM

Just buy the seller, that is the best thing you can do. Best of luck and hoping it is all good.

10 July 2007, 09:53 AM	#1
ajmarton Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Andrew Marton Location: Los Angeles Watch: Rolex 16750 Pam 48 Posts: 117	Buying a used LV ... what to look for to confirm it is genuine? I am going to buy a 2006 previously owned Rolex LV in like new condition. The model number / serial number are 16610TLV D59xxxx. I will get the whole serial number when I actually look at the watch. What should I specifically focus upon to make sure I am getting the real deal? Andrew

10 July 2007, 10:13 AM	#5
ajmarton Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Andrew Marton Location: Los Angeles Watch: Rolex 16750 Pam 48 Posts: 117	Thanks. I am going to print this all out. The guy is local but I will not be able to check it out at an AD until the next day. Here are some pictures of it. Attached Images

10 July 2007, 11:42 AM	#7
Bama "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: John Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,150	A couple of pics of mine (not the best quality). The watch you have there looks OK but I'm not sure about the serial number on the paperwork. Mine does not have LV in the serial number and I'm not sure what the first 3 numbers you have there are. They don't appear on my paperwork. I'm not an expert though and there could be a good reason for this. Good luck! Attached Images

10 July 2007, 02:32 PM	#11
John685 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: John Location: Kansas Watch: YG DD Posts: 497	There is no 410 country code in Brozek's Rolex Report. 400 is Hong Kong and 413 is Korea __________________ Regards, John There is never enough time, unless you're serving it. His: TT DJ (116233) YG/Oyster/White dial, romans TT DJ (116231) RG/Jubilee/Black dial, romans Universal Geneve Polerouter Sub Hers: TT LDJ (179171) RG/Jubilee/BMOP dial, romans

10 July 2007, 08:03 PM	#15
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	The BEST thing would to demand that the watch be taken to an AD for authentification. Only then you can be absolutelety positive that it is the real McCoy. Having said that, from the pictures it does look real to me, but still: Have an AD check it for you! __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

10 July 2007, 09:59 AM	#2
Rubenonfire "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Real Name: Ruben Location: Orange County Watch: 16610LV Posts: 1,317	Is it local? Can you just take it to an AD with the seller to verify the authenticity?

10 July 2007, 10:05 AM	#3
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	Andrew, The only real test is to have a watchmaker take off the back cover and look for a Rolex movement. Nobody has successfully faked one of those yet for the LV. Any decent watchmaker can do this and if I had any questions at all, I would insist on it. I'll bet that some LV owners will love to post pictures of theirs so you can print out some gidelines. A "D" serial number is in the right date range. Good luck !!

10 July 2007, 10:09 AM	#4
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	Couple of things, 1. No where on the watch itself is the designation 16610LV. Between the lugs the reference number will read 16610T--just like any non-lug hole Sub. Rolex uses the same case for both references. I'm a bit reluctant to buy a pre-owned LV for that reason WITHOUT the papers that will reflect the ser. no. on the watch. On the papers the reference number will state 16610Vxxxxx 16610LV appears on the hang tag ONLY--at least those sold in the U.S. 2. Many early fake LVs got the tick spacing wrong at 6 o'clock were "SWISS MADE" is stated. SWISS MADE should be just inside the 28 to 32 minute markers or just overlapping. Just inside, Overlapping, IF IT'S GOT LUG HOLES RUN! There are pics of LVs with lug holes, but these were Rolex generated photos put out before the introduction of the LV to throw off fakers. Rolex photo,

10 July 2007, 10:41 AM	#6
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	Not sure what country code 410 is. I did find this though, http://forums.timezone.com/index.php...0&rev=&reveal=

10 July 2007, 11:53 AM	#8
Oyster Lover "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: USA Posts: 472	My paperwork also doesn't have LV in the serial number... The only place you'll get the LV is on the plastic tag that came with the watch. It's strange that your paperwork would have LV in the number...

10 July 2007, 12:33 PM	#9
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	this is pure speculation, but here goes The watch looks genuine. The seriel number is between the lugs and to see it the bracelet must come off...insist on this. Any paper with the watch is worthless for this in my opinion. Good questions have been raised about the paperwork. However, with the current frenzy for "papered" watches it is entirely possible that the seller purchased those things because they are in demand. The paperwork is of no value to you as a second owner in the US, and only outside the US if it is still within the warranty period. If the paper, box, etc were purchased separately,it should not be a deal breaker if the watch is genuine. The seller is only guilty of bad judgement and not fraud - unless he is attempting to prove a fake is real by providing all the "expected" goodies.

10 July 2007, 01:05 PM	#10
ajmarton Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Andrew Marton Location: Los Angeles Watch: Rolex 16750 Pam 48 Posts: 117	Supposedly it is a 2006 production. Should that make a difference on the serial number? Andrew

10 July 2007, 05:21 PM	#12
ajmarton Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Andrew Marton Location: Los Angeles Watch: Rolex 16750 Pam 48 Posts: 117	Apparently the watch is from Japan which according to the seller is why the certificate is different.

10 July 2007, 05:52 PM	#13
triton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 156	if it is from japan, then country code is 900. unless i am wrong.

10 July 2007, 06:05 PM	#14
davinci Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: baxta69 Location: suffolk, UK Watch: Breit Cross/SS sub Posts: 130	410 is the country code for Japan

11 July 2007, 10:41 AM	#16
ajmarton Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Andrew Marton Location: Los Angeles Watch: Rolex 16750 Pam 48 Posts: 117	Well, I bit the bullet and got the LV. Took it to my watch smith and had the back case removed - it is a genuine Rolex. I will miss the GMT II but am happy about the LV. It is lighter and more comfortable on my wrist than the GMT II (2 tone). Thanks for everyone's help.

11 July 2007, 10:51 AM	#19
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514

11 July 2007, 10:57 AM	#20
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	Congrats!

11 July 2007, 01:21 PM	#21
dman Lifetime TRF Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Daren Location: Austin Watch: the road Posts: 13,585	Just buy the seller, that is the best thing you can do. Best of luck and hoping it is all good. __________________ You either get it or you don't, if you have to ask, YOU DON'T!! I really hope that midget cop doesn't find me in Kokomo.

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