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ROLEX4EvEr · 19 July 2007, 12:10 PM

I was at the local mall with my wife getting some gifts for a friends birthday this weekend and while she was shopping I walked into a nearby jewelry/watch store. They are not authorized on any brand but they do have a huge selection of watches and diamonds. I was dressed casually and while two salespeople were helping a lady finalize a sale there was was standing behind the counter with his arms crossed. He noticed me but didn't flinch or move. I was wearing shorts, a T-shirt, a $25,000 watch and ironically a white Panerai baseball cap. I walked over to the "high-end" showcase of the store to find a mix of Rolex Datejusts with aftermarket diamond bezels, some older style two tone Subs and a PAM51. Next to the 51 was a 171 but something didn't look right. The date was too big and the minute markers were too long. The bracelet was still wrapped in plastic.

About ten minutes later one of the salesmen that was helping the lady came over to me. The guy with his arms crossed was still behind the counter day dreaming. I asked to see the "black Panerai" and as he took it out he was telling me it is a special edition just in from Italy. I nodded and took it from his hand. First thing I noticed was the bracelet was not steel and titanium and was very thin. It said Luminor Power Reserve on the dial and had the power reserve indicator. On the side of the case was a helium vale like the Sea-Dweller and the back was a display back with an ETA engraved Panerai all across. There was no Production letter or number but there was a date of 2005 stamped in the back and a BB serial code. I pulled out the crown and there was only one setting and it was to set the hands. Nothing for the date. My suspicion was confirmed. I asked for the price and the guy grabbed it from my hand and looked at the tag and said $7,500.

I told him I'd like to buy it but just wanted to see the warranty card and box. He said no problem and went in the back. 10 minutes later he came out and said he can't find it because his boss showed it to someone but they will get it for me so not to worry. I told him that I mean no disrespect but how do I know this watch is genuine? His reply was that they have been there for years and everything is genuine. I told him I believe it was fake and he started laughing and said he will bet me anything it's not. I said OK, I will buy out your entire inventory right now if you can prove to me it is real but if you can't, I get the watch for free. He got on his cell phone for a few minutes, came back and took the watch from me and said his boss said it was not for sale, but only a display model. He then proceeded to put it under the showcase and walked away from me.

Moral of the story is those who always think they will get scammed buying online and swear by brick and mortal need to take a good look at this. These bastards were selling a $30 fake for $7,500 right out of a multi-million dollar store in a major shopping mall right here in NYC. I am besides myself!

ROLEX4EvEr · 19 July 2007, 12:20 PM

Same place I went to get my Father-in-law a DJ, I looked at one of the watches and the crown on the dial was off and floating around. I told the lady and she apologized and said the new girl dropped it on the floor and it was damaged??? I said its a Rolex...That shouldn't happen.

Anyway I find the watch I want and it has scratches they said it'll be buffed out, so next day I go to the same store and the watch was perfect. My wife kept telling to wear it 1st before we buy it. I said I rather not put finger prints on it but I gave in an put the watch on. As soon as the watch was on the band fell apart and the watch hit the glass display case. I was laughing and we walked out to NEVER GO BACK!!!

ADISMO · 19 July 2007, 12:51 PM

Federal Trade Commission or Better Business Bureau should 'touch base' with these guys.

MrRogers · 19 July 2007, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROLEX4EvEr

These bastards were selling a $30 fake for $7,500 right out of a multi-million dollar store in a major shopping mall right here in NYC. I am besides myself!

Unbelievable, would you please tell us the name of this store so we may avoid them in the future?

MrR

Solo118 · 19 July 2007, 01:33 PM

WOW what store is this if you dont mind me asking... We all need to be more careful

Gedanken · 19 July 2007, 02:39 PM

I'd be dropping a dime to RUSA about these guys.

Lol-x · 19 July 2007, 03:00 PM

Well it is very surprising that people can conduct business like this in NY.
Seems like the watch companies need to get on to this shonky business or the appropriate authorities to put the business - out of business

JJ Irani · 19 July 2007, 05:28 PM

That is an amazingly shocking story, Freddy. How the heck can such a major store carry on doing business so blatantly is beyond me.

If anything like that happened here in Auckland, the bugger would have been shut down before the day was out.

JJ

ROLEX4EvEr · 19 July 2007, 06:10 PM

Its a store in the Staten Island Mall 1st floor, I will post the name I just forgot it.

DavoD · 19 July 2007, 09:44 PM

Just wondering how much money they make out of selling fake to the uninformed customer. Just picture someone that save hard to buy the dream watch and end up being scam by this fellow.

Need to be reported to the authority.

amanda · 19 July 2007, 09:53 PM

More info

http://www.network54.com/Forum/35339...happened+today...

ROLEX4EvEr · 20 July 2007, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amanda

More info

http://www.network54.com/Forum/35339...happened+today...

No offensive to you Amanda but I did copy and paste my friend Gils Post on to here. But a certain MOD here seems to think Im Gil

. Well Gil is a close friend and trust me we are not the same people. I have posted my face on here many times and we are not the same people. Sorry no Clark Kent/Superman story here. An If I get banned everyone you will know why. An If this harrasment continues I will leave on my own.

Freddy J.

haakon59 · 20 July 2007, 11:57 PM

Wow, scary story, but happy that you didn't get taken. Why didn't you report it?

timebroker · 21 July 2007, 02:10 AM

Hi,

What happens if I want to have a watch checked by Rolex.
Already bought or want to buy and it turns out to be stolen or fake?
Are there databases available for checking if a Rolex is stolen?
What % of the stolen ones get reported?
Trying to reduce the risk

Filip

Blue Bull · 22 July 2007, 03:18 AM

Copied story .. ?

amanda · 22 July 2007, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROLEX4EvEr

No offensive to you Amanda but I did copy and paste my friend Gils Post on to here. But a certain MOD here seems to think Im Gil

. Well Gil is a close friend and trust me we are not the same people. I have posted my face on here many times and we are not the same people. Sorry no Clark Kent/Superman story here. An If I get banned everyone you will know why. An If this harrasment continues I will leave on my own.

Freddy J.

Sorry Freddy, I never meant to get you in trouble. People were asking Q and I had already read the real story from Gil... so i linked it in thinking they'd understand more so what happened. Shocking story.

Whichever mod is harrassing you is a moron... I dont see what the problem here is at all...

C.J. · 22 July 2007, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amanda

Sorry Freddy, I never meant to get you in trouble. People were asking Q and I had already read the real story from Gil... so i linked it in thinking they'd understand more so what happened. Shocking story.

Whichever mod is harrassing you is a moron... I dont see what the problem here is at all...

Not one of your more thought out responses, huh, amanda? That one just bought you six more infraction points.

mailman · 23 July 2007, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amanda

Sorry Freddy, I never meant to get you in trouble. People were asking Q and I had already read the real story from Gil... so i linked it in thinking they'd understand more so what happened. Shocking story.

Whichever mod is harrassing you is a moron... I dont see what the problem here is at all...

What isn't shoching is you opening up your mouth without thinking...AGAIN

pwcrulez · 20 July 2007, 12:37 AM

That is some real shit... wow.

ADISMO · 22 July 2007, 09:33 AM

I also know about Gil from another forum.

What ever happened to these charlatans?

Lol-x · 22 July 2007, 11:27 PM

Amanda before you go calling another member of the forum "a moron" (which is in any event an inappropriate comment for any member to make about another) you might want to get both sides of the story. Whether there was any 'harassment' or any sort of conduct that warrants the 'moron' label. Freddy didn't apparently need to call anyone a 'moron' so why should you?
As you say you don't know the moderator concerned so you obviously don't have the full story from both sides.
Again I don't know why you have to get involved in the first place in a matter that does not relate directly to you at all.
You seem to be very quick to denigrate all moderators or persons that fall within that class by your oblique accusation.
I think you owe Freddy an apology for muck raking.
What's wrong with you?

Gedanken · 23 July 2007, 12:11 AM

Steve is correct. Freddy and I have already discussed this issue and established not only why this is a misunderstanding, but exactly why it is so.

Amanda, I'll thank you to conduct yourself in a mature manner here.

ADISMO · 23 July 2007, 11:33 AM

provocative behaviour? some pics please :D

so.... no word on what happened to Folex Enterprises, NY, NY?

timebroker · 23 July 2007, 02:09 PM

Hahaha, the MOD police

astcell · 23 July 2007, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timebroker

Hahaha, the MOD police

Close. How about this.

GoldenBear · 24 July 2007, 08:59 AM

I wonder is a Rolex has ever been brought in for a cleaning (to a place like the one mentioned) and had the insides swapped for a fake? Boy, that would suck.

timebroker · 24 July 2007, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

I wonder is a Rolex has ever been brought in for a cleaning (to a place like the one mentioned) and had the insides swapped for a fake? Boy, that would suck.

Not only when bringing in a Rolex, always checked the first watch I brought to a new watchmaker (until I found the right one).
Taken a picture of the movement which clearly showed all the markings.
And I always said 'I haven't been able to open the back' ...
Never happened though.

ROLEX4EvEr · 23 July 2007, 02:33 PM

Ok this is getting to crazy, Please closed this thread and bring Amanda back. Anyone here should remember my a few of my post with pics of myself (4/21). I been here and never had any problems.... until now. Please close this thread, I no longer will talk to the guy who started this TRF DRAMA

mailman · 23 July 2007, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROLEX4EvEr

Ok this is getting to crazy, Please closed this thread and bring Amanda back. Anyone here should remember my a few of my post with pics of myself (4/21). I been here and never had any problems.... until now. Please close this thread, I no longer will talk to the guy who started this TRF DRAMA

I'm heartbroken...NOT

19 July 2007, 12:10 PM	#1
ROLEX4EvEr "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Real Name: Freddy Location: NYC Watch: My Back Posts: 819	Look what happen to my friend I was at the local mall with my wife getting some gifts for a friends birthday this weekend and while she was shopping I walked into a nearby jewelry/watch store. They are not authorized on any brand but they do have a huge selection of watches and diamonds. I was dressed casually and while two salespeople were helping a lady finalize a sale there was was standing behind the counter with his arms crossed. He noticed me but didn't flinch or move. I was wearing shorts, a T-shirt, a $25,000 watch and ironically a white Panerai baseball cap. I walked over to the "high-end" showcase of the store to find a mix of Rolex Datejusts with aftermarket diamond bezels, some older style two tone Subs and a PAM51. Next to the 51 was a 171 but something didn't look right. The date was too big and the minute markers were too long. The bracelet was still wrapped in plastic. About ten minutes later one of the salesmen that was helping the lady came over to me. The guy with his arms crossed was still behind the counter day dreaming. I asked to see the "black Panerai" and as he took it out he was telling me it is a special edition just in from Italy. I nodded and took it from his hand. First thing I noticed was the bracelet was not steel and titanium and was very thin. It said Luminor Power Reserve on the dial and had the power reserve indicator. On the side of the case was a helium vale like the Sea-Dweller and the back was a display back with an ETA engraved Panerai all across. There was no Production letter or number but there was a date of 2005 stamped in the back and a BB serial code. I pulled out the crown and there was only one setting and it was to set the hands. Nothing for the date. My suspicion was confirmed. I asked for the price and the guy grabbed it from my hand and looked at the tag and said $7,500. I told him I'd like to buy it but just wanted to see the warranty card and box. He said no problem and went in the back. 10 minutes later he came out and said he can't find it because his boss showed it to someone but they will get it for me so not to worry. I told him that I mean no disrespect but how do I know this watch is genuine? His reply was that they have been there for years and everything is genuine. I told him I believe it was fake and he started laughing and said he will bet me anything it's not. I said OK, I will buy out your entire inventory right now if you can prove to me it is real but if you can't, I get the watch for free. He got on his cell phone for a few minutes, came back and took the watch from me and said his boss said it was not for sale, but only a display model. He then proceeded to put it under the showcase and walked away from me. Moral of the story is those who always think they will get scammed buying online and swear by brick and mortal need to take a good look at this. These bastards were selling a $30 fake for $7,500 right out of a multi-million dollar store in a major shopping mall right here in NYC. I am besides myself! __________________

19 July 2007, 12:20 PM	#2
ROLEX4EvEr "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Real Name: Freddy Location: NYC Watch: My Back Posts: 819	Same place I went to get my Father-in-law a DJ, I looked at one of the watches and the crown on the dial was off and floating around. I told the lady and she apologized and said the new girl dropped it on the floor and it was damaged??? I said its a Rolex...That shouldn't happen. Anyway I find the watch I want and it has scratches they said it'll be buffed out, so next day I go to the same store and the watch was perfect. My wife kept telling to wear it 1st before we buy it. I said I rather not put finger prints on it but I gave in an put the watch on. As soon as the watch was on the band fell apart and the watch hit the glass display case. I was laughing and we walked out to NEVER GO BACK!!! __________________

19 July 2007, 02:39 PM	#6
Gedanken "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Sir Location: Melbourne Watch: F-series SD Posts: 8,589	I'd be dropping a dime to RUSA about these guys. __________________ You buy a Casio to make sure you're on time; you wear a Rolex because you don't have to be on time.

19 July 2007, 05:28 PM	#8
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	That is an amazingly shocking story, Freddy. How the heck can such a major store carry on doing business so blatantly is beyond me. If anything like that happened here in Auckland, the bugger would have been shut down before the day was out. JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

19 July 2007, 06:10 PM	#9
ROLEX4EvEr "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Real Name: Freddy Location: NYC Watch: My Back Posts: 819	Its a store in the Staten Island Mall 1st floor, I will post the name I just forgot it. __________________

19 July 2007, 12:51 PM	#3
ADISMO Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Real Name: Adrian Location: Cali Watch: Seadweller Posts: 122	Federal Trade Commission or Better Business Bureau should 'touch base' with these guys.

19 July 2007, 01:33 PM	#5
Solo118 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Watch: Daytona Posts: 6,092	WOW what store is this if you dont mind me asking... We all need to be more careful

19 July 2007, 03:00 PM	#7
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,588	Well it is very surprising that people can conduct business like this in NY. Seems like the watch companies need to get on to this shonky business or the appropriate authorities to put the business - out of business

19 July 2007, 09:44 PM	#10
DavoD "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: David Location: Zurich, CH Watch: Rolex Sub LV Posts: 45	Just wondering how much money they make out of selling fake to the uninformed customer. Just picture someone that save hard to buy the dream watch and end up being scam by this fellow. Need to be reported to the authority.

19 July 2007, 09:53 PM	#11
amanda Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,380	More info http://www.network54.com/Forum/35339...happened+today...

20 July 2007, 11:57 PM	#13
haakon59 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,571	Wow, scary story, but happy that you didn't get taken. Why didn't you report it?

21 July 2007, 02:10 AM	#14
timebroker "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Filip Location: Belgium Posts: 1,619	Lil' bit off topic Hi, What happens if I want to have a watch checked by Rolex. Already bought or want to buy and it turns out to be stolen or fake? Are there databases available for checking if a Rolex is stolen? What % of the stolen ones get reported? Trying to reduce the risk Filip

22 July 2007, 03:18 AM	#15
Blue Bull Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,887	Copied story .. ?

20 July 2007, 12:37 AM	#19
pwcrulez "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Singapore Watch: DateJust 16233 Posts: 145	That is some real shit... wow.

22 July 2007, 09:33 AM	#20
ADISMO Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Real Name: Adrian Location: Cali Watch: Seadweller Posts: 122	I also know about Gil from another forum. What ever happened to these charlatans?

22 July 2007, 11:27 PM	#21
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,588	Amanda before you go calling another member of the forum "a moron" (which is in any event an inappropriate comment for any member to make about another) you might want to get both sides of the story. Whether there was any 'harassment' or any sort of conduct that warrants the 'moron' label. Freddy didn't apparently need to call anyone a 'moron' so why should you? As you say you don't know the moderator concerned so you obviously don't have the full story from both sides. Again I don't know why you have to get involved in the first place in a matter that does not relate directly to you at all. You seem to be very quick to denigrate all moderators or persons that fall within that class by your oblique accusation. I think you owe Freddy an apology for muck raking. What's wrong with you?

23 July 2007, 12:11 AM	#22
Gedanken "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Sir Location: Melbourne Watch: F-series SD Posts: 8,589	Steve is correct. Freddy and I have already discussed this issue and established not only why this is a misunderstanding, but exactly why it is so. Amanda, I'll thank you to conduct yourself in a mature manner here. __________________ You buy a Casio to make sure you're on time; you wear a Rolex because you don't have to be on time.

23 July 2007, 11:33 AM	#23
ADISMO Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Real Name: Adrian Location: Cali Watch: Seadweller Posts: 122	provocative behaviour? some pics please :D so.... no word on what happened to Folex Enterprises, NY, NY?

23 July 2007, 02:09 PM	#24
timebroker "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Filip Location: Belgium Posts: 1,619	Hahaha, the MOD police

24 July 2007, 08:59 AM	#26
GoldenBear "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: San Francisco Watch: Submariner Posts: 2,480	I wonder is a Rolex has ever been brought in for a cleaning (to a place like the one mentioned) and had the insides swapped for a fake? Boy, that would suck. __________________ ____________________________________________ Rolex Blue TT Submariner Rolex SS Submariner Breitling Emergency Mission They are just watches, wear 'em. ____________________________________________

23 July 2007, 02:33 PM	#28
ROLEX4EvEr "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Real Name: Freddy Location: NYC Watch: My Back Posts: 819	Ok this is getting to crazy, Please closed this thread and bring Amanda back. Anyone here should remember my a few of my post with pics of myself (4/21). I been here and never had any problems.... until now. Please close this thread, I no longer will talk to the guy who started this TRF DRAMA __________________

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