Need Help! Does this PAM 111 look legit?

[xjeeunitx]

Hello everyone. I'm having this shipped to me as I have bought it online. I'm looking at the pictures and it looks very legit to me. Can anyone else please verify and confirm it? Thank you for all the help!

[marcinthemiddle]

Looks good to me...
I just picked up and am wearing my new 'N' serial 111 as I type this...

[xjeeunitx]

Score!!!!!!!!!!!! I compared the movement to shizzzload of pictures I found on the internet and I couldn't find a difference. Thank you, Marc for the reassurance!

[marcinthemiddle]

Originally Posted by xjeeunitx

Score!!!!!!!!!!!! I compared the movement to shizzzload of pictures I found on the internet and I couldn't find a difference. Thank you, Marc for the reassurance!

You're more than welcome!
Big score, congrats!

[monty`]

not to set off any alarm bells but the dial kind of looks off to me? almost like it's a painted dial. the sandwich dial is hard to capture sometimes so i wouldn't rely solely on that observation, though.

more important question is does it come with the boxes and papers? i would hope since it's an M serial that it does and i would suggest getting photos of those as well.

is the seller on TRF or another large watch forum? where did you buy it?

[xjeeunitx]

I bought it off of fleabay. The dial is a sandwich dial. It doesn't come with papers so I got it for a very good price. I checked out the numbers of the BB1389674 and it matches up with couple of other recent serial watches.

The movement looks pretty damn right. I've compared it to the real ones and fake ones selling all over the internet. I think I did pretty good. I'm like 99% sure, you know? That's why I posted on here to check.

[xjeeunitx]

And..... with the help of panersiti... IT IS A FUGAZI....

I'm so gonna hunt this son of a bitch down. Thank god for columbus day. PO is closed so yeah....

[xjeeunitx]

OH........ I'm so mad at myself................Cry.

[marcinthemiddle]

Originally Posted by xjeeunitx

And..... with the help of panersiti... IT IS A FUGAZI....

I'm so gonna hunt this son of a bitch down. Thank god for columbus day. PO is closed so yeah....

Fugazi?
No way...its got the proper milimizatioin(sp) on it- and I know that's difficult for counterfeiters to copy.
I suggest you bring/send it into a PAM boutique-
I'm pretty sure it's legit....

[xjeeunitx]

a member from paneristi pointed out that...

The A in panerai is crossed low.
The font is wrong.
The L Swiss made L is too close to the 6
The number cut outs are the wrong shape
The CG pin is not flush.
The CG lever is the wrong shape on top
The movement is asian
The engraving on the back of the case is harsh and not like the real deal.

I verified some of this... I could tell from my PAM 005 as well, for instance the cg pin not being flush and lever shape.

[xjeeunitx]

Also, font of the OFFICINE PANERAI in blue is in the wrong font and size.

[marcinthemiddle]

Now...that dial looks identical to mine, and the engravings on the casebacks just as prominent. I know mines the 'real deal' as it came BNIB from an AD-
I would STRONGLY suggest sending it to a PAM store
or if you don't mind- I would forward them to my contact at the PAM boutique in NYC.
I really, really don't think it's a Fugazi.

[nowzen]

Sorry for the loss...

hope you get satisfaction from paypal, but I've heard horror stories there too.

Let us know how you do later.

[xjeeunitx]

Mods, if you read this, please move this to the watchout section or delete it entirely.

[drtooth73]

Please let us know who the eBay seller was,
And note to prospective Pam buyers: buy with boxes and papers.

[monty`]

sorry to hear this, hope it gets sorted out.

a word of caution to all TRFers - there are a lot of really really good Panerai fakes out there. especially the base 000/112/111 Luminors. some are so good they might even fool a dealer if they don't know all the 'tells'.

i think it's prudent to stay away from eBay and always insist on boxes/papers if you're buying on the pre-owned market. even then you can never be 100% certain, thus "buy the seller, not the watch" remains paramount.

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by xjeeunitx

a member from paneristi pointed out that...

The A in panerai is crossed low.
The font is wrong.
The L Swiss made L is too close to the 6
The number cut outs are the wrong shape
The CG pin is not flush.
The CG lever is the wrong shape on top
The movement is asian
The engraving on the back of the case is harsh and not like the real deal.

I verified some of this... I could tell from my PAM 005 as well, for instance the cg pin not being flush and lever shape.

Originally Posted by xjeeunitx

Also, font of the OFFICINE PANERAI in blue is in the wrong font and size.

wow.....superb analysis.....not enough of an expert to know, but, it sure looked pretty. sorry to hear about this.

Originally Posted by monty`

sorry to hear this, hope it gets sorted out.

a word of caution to all TRFers - there are a lot of really really good Panerai fakes out there. especially the base 000/112/111 Luminors. some are so good they might even fool a dealer if they don't know all the 'tells'.

i think it's prudent to stay away from eBay and always insist on boxes/papers if you're buying on the pre-owned market. even then you can never be 100% certain, thus "buy the seller, not the watch" remains paramount.

and secure the movement sticker, too......

[xjeeunitx]

Originally Posted by drtooth73

Please let us know who the eBay seller was,
And note to prospective Pam buyers: buy with boxes and papers.

The eBay seller's user id is stated in the picture. Obviously, this was a too good to be true. Of course, this guy has ZERO feedback. I should've known better. Or, maybe I was getting too greedy. F**K!

[zeroshiki]

Originally Posted by xjeeunitx

a member from paneristi pointed out that...

The A in panerai is crossed low.
The font is wrong.
The L Swiss made L is too close to the 6
The number cut outs are the wrong shape
The CG pin is not flush.
The CG lever is the wrong shape on top
The movement is asian
The engraving on the back of the case is harsh and not like the real deal.

I verified some of this... I could tell from my PAM 005 as well, for instance the cg pin not being flush and lever shape.

actually these are the old tells for the old version of replicas and doesn't apply here for the watch you posted. it's still a replica, and those are the latest batch of replicas with more accuracy to the genuine thing, it could even fool ADs.

the easiest tell up until now(that is, until the replica makers improve again, it's scary):

- the 'o' on the luminor font on the dial is different from the gen, gen has more boxy 'O' letter, maybe someone can post a 111 pic over here(i don't have one) to compare.
- incabloc shock protection jewel holder, it's the donut shaped ring that holds jewel on top of the hairspring, the real thing has 'Y' shaped carving instead of straight 'I' carving on that ring.

above these scary fakes, there are even scarier frankens panerai with mixed original and replica parts put together. no way to tell for these.

buy the seller, or if you're unsure, the only foolproof way to get a genuine panerai is a complete set with warranty card and movement sticker, both warranty card and movt sticker must match the BBxxxx serial number on the caseback.

i hope you get your close encounter resolved quickly with paypal. do let us here know how it turns out. and feel free to pm me any questions if you need to.

[drtooth73]

Originally Posted by xjeeunitx

The eBay seller's user id is stated in the picture. Obviously, this was a too good to be true. Of course, this guy has ZERO feedback. I should've known better. Or, maybe I was getting too greedy. F**K!

Actual name and paypal email address would be good,
since a zero feedback seller might show up again.

[TopNotchChach]

You sure you got a sandwiche dial there?
I thought the painted dial 111, would have "panerai" stamped all across the back?!




YIIIIIIIIKES

[sallyhats]

Sorry dude on the loss, its a really good fake, but still a fake non the less. At first glance I couldn't tell if it was real or not but there are little discrepancies. I'm picking up my first Panerai next week, the 111. Never trust a non-AD, if it's too good to be true then 9 out of 10 times it is. How did you pay?

[xjeeunitx]

Originally Posted by drtooth73

Actual name and paypal email address would be good,
since a zero feedback seller might show up again.

[email protected]
NAME ON EMAIL IS LYNDON WILLIAM
NAME SHOWN ON PAYPAL IS LEON LONG

[xjeeunitx]

Just filed a claim with paypal. I have my fingers crossed that I will get my money back. If not, I will fly to NY and beat this mofo up.

[marcinthemiddle]

Originally Posted by xjeeunitx

Just filed a claim with paypal. I have my fingers crossed that I will get my money back. If not, I will fly to NY and beat this mofo up.

Glad you filed a claim...
When you come to NYC- I'll buy you a Patron shot!

[Chaos]

see the big wheel on middle of back -- the space between teeth are bigger , it means it's a low beat (18000 VPH) instead of hi beat of gen. If you get a gen, you'll see it easily.

The engraving is problably just painted and colour is off.

the cannon pin is not flat and polished

soory for your loss

best

Originally Posted by xjeeunitx

a member from paneristi pointed out that...

The A in panerai is crossed low.
The font is wrong.
The L Swiss made L is too close to the 6
The number cut outs are the wrong shape
The CG pin is not flush.
The CG lever is the wrong shape on top
The movement is asian
The engraving on the back of the case is harsh and not like the real deal.

I verified some of this... I could tell from my PAM 005 as well, for instance the cg pin not being flush and lever shape.

[TopNotchChach]

good luck with paypal..

what you need to do is file a claim with your credit card company.

[RotaryRx7]

WOW! Sorry for your loss. I own a 111 and was stumped until I actually compared the two.

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by xjeeunitx

[email protected]
NAME ON EMAIL IS LYNDON WILLIAM
NAME SHOWN ON PAYPAL IS LEON LONG

a question for the "experts".....when dealing with paypal, is a gmail address or equivalent a danger sign? in the sense that anyone can set up a random gmail address, so, knowing the e-mail address doesn't really do much for future transactions?

or, is it just par for the course?

[BKKJake]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

a question for the "experts".....when dealing with paypal, is a gmail address or equivalent a danger sign? in the sense that anyone can set up a random gmail address, so, knowing the e-mail address doesn't really do much for future transactions?

or, is it just par for the course?

I'd check to make sure there's someone behind the email address.

pipl.com
facebook.com

etc..if it's a used email address they probably have some kind of internet trail to follow.