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masterkiller · 25 October 2011, 04:12 AM

Hi all,

Have you seen this thread on Paneristi?

Panerai should be ashamed of themselfs IMHO, even if it is no clear caseback, the movement should still say Panerai...

http://www.network54.com/Forum/35339...pond+to+emails

Background
http://www.network54.com/Forum/35339...e.+Is+it+real-

/masterkiller

MP5 · 25 October 2011, 04:16 AM

Yes, a terrible move. Absolutely unprecedented and unacceptable. Thank goodness it's limited to those 150 watches

psv · 25 October 2011, 04:16 AM

I saw some of the discussions leading up to this post. I thought for sure that the guy had bought a fugazzi, but apparently this is the cr-p Panerai pushes out. I even owned that watch at one point, bought it at the boutique and everything.

I have never been a fan of Richemont as they are a Corporate marketing/branding machine more than anything, and this is more proof of that. If this is really the movement in a special edition piece sold only in boutiques in is truly unforgivable in my opinion.

drtooth73 · 25 October 2011, 04:22 AM

Thanks for posting,
I liked the background thread, where most guys said it was fake.

masterkiller · 25 October 2011, 04:22 AM

It sure have/will create serious badwill for Panerai, but still I am on the lookout for a 'Rad' but have to stay with the clear casebacks to be sure :-)

/masterkiller

nauticajoe · 25 October 2011, 04:24 AM

That's is awful!

No wonder there's been an uptick of people cracking their casebacks in p.com.

psv · 25 October 2011, 05:05 AM

It is even more entertaining reading the posts from people that was flaming the OP for doing this, and ever more tragic to see the post from people stating that "this doesn't change a thing"!? It is a real "Emperor has no clothes" moment for Panerai IMO. If this post makes it further than p.com to Hodinkee etc if will be a real PR fiasco for Panerai/Richemont is rather severe implications. I, for one, am disgusted, if this is really true (still find it hard to believe).

sbux · 25 October 2011, 06:16 AM

I cant see the pics, they are no longer there. anyone can re-post the pics? thanks a lot.

psv · 25 October 2011, 06:18 AM

Here is one of the images of the beautiful inner-workings of a pure tool watch... "Special Boutique Edition". Limited to 150 pieces at $4,500 a pop.

usbzoso · 25 October 2011, 06:19 AM

horrible

GMTJOHNNY · 25 October 2011, 08:52 AM

Glad I saw this thread. I just lost my taste completely...especially after seeing the food menu under the watch. Not sure I am going to drop any cash on a Panerai any time soon now.

7sins · 25 October 2011, 09:06 AM

Can someone give me the cliff-notes on what is going on here? It seems Panerai put a shitty unfinished ETA movement in a boutique edition pam?

psv · 25 October 2011, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7sins

Can someone give me the cliff-notes on what is going on here? It seems Panerai put a shitty unfinished ETA movement in a boutique edition pam?

That is pretty much it. Proving once for all it is all about the brand and the cult. I mean, no self-respecting watch maker/brand should put out this cr-p and market it as luxury product. It proves that the executives at Richemont has no respect for their customers IMO.

It is like selling a limited edition Ferarri and then putting a Lada engine under the hood and hoping no one ever open the hood. Sure, the Lada engine might be a fine workhorse, but that is beside the point.

toph · 25 October 2011, 09:28 AM

that movemnet costs $100 and a basic decorated one is $150, embarrassing that they do no take the time to finish it nicely and make it 'theirs'

brkanand · 25 October 2011, 09:28 AM

Looks like they simply forgot to stamp their name on the movement!

thsiao · 25 October 2011, 09:36 AM

Wow that is pretty sad... more reasons to only buy Panerais with an open caseback! My 416 movement probably looks as sad as the one posted in this thread.

xjeeunitx · 25 October 2011, 10:14 AM

Man... I wonder what my 005 looks like....

Fireace · 25 October 2011, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thsiao

Wow that is pretty sad... more reasons to only buy Panerais with an open caseback! My 416 movement probably looks as sad as the one posted in this thread.

Not really...Your 416 movement looks like this in reality :

Crédit : Eddy Sanchez @ Dotcom

The 318 Mov. is named OP XXIX by Panerai, not OP II like the actual boutique models...

mtasquared · 25 October 2011, 10:16 AM

Very glad I saw this thread, although it turns out for the worse.

agreenspan · 25 October 2011, 10:51 AM

It's just the 318 movement that is in question. The 4XX and 390 boutique series are basic, but decorated.
There obviously must be SOME reason they put this movement in (they can't be that dumb). I would love to find out what that reason is.

leeye · 25 October 2011, 11:58 AM

I was speechless when I saw pictures of the movement. A Chinese Seagull movement would have more pride than that!

Now I will be more aware of the "cheaper" limited edition models being released.

htc8p · 25 October 2011, 02:04 PM

really ugly. 2nd guessing panerai now...

MP5 · 25 October 2011, 02:15 PM

Lots of overreaction and excuse for haters to jump on Panerai for a snafu on a whole 150 watches. Was the same outrage given when J. Dowling popped the back on the Exp I which tens of thousands were made?

hng · 25 October 2011, 03:35 PM

I just can't comprehend why they are doing it to their own brand???

mmancari · 25 October 2011, 05:30 PM

Yikes! Wouldn't this make the watch the easiest to counterfeit? Just a damn shame! I can't believe they would do this to their own brand.

Cru Jones · 25 October 2011, 06:52 PM

yowzers......

ok, ok, it's the same basic cheap (but robust) ETA movement that's just not decorated, but, man, it's a little weak to say the least. if for nothing else, have a little bit of pride and celebrate the brand a bit.

SoftLink · 25 October 2011, 07:14 PM

Ok, it's clear that the OP decorated movement is still the same than the other one, just a bit of make up applied for show. Not impressed.

xjeeunitx · 25 October 2011, 07:53 PM

More I think about it... more it hurts me feelings.

RolexWatcher · 25 October 2011, 08:05 PM

I guess Richemont is trying to see how little they can do to charge the same prices?? Very disappointing.

Makes me feel that PAM is more a fashion brand than a watch brand now with actions such as this.

Cru Jones · 25 October 2011, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolexWatcher

I guess Richemont is trying to see how little they can do to charge the same prices?? Very disappointing.

Makes me feel that PAM is more a fashion brand than a watch brand now with actions such as this.

lets not go TOO far here......i mean, it's limited to 150 watches, it might have been a mistake, panerai might "fix" this given the strong reaction, and, anyway, the brand is aggressively developing its own movements and never hid the fact that its base movements were ETA work horses.

not being a PAM apologist here. if i owned one of those pieces, i'd be pretty disappointed.....just saying i'm trying not to overreact.

25 October 2011, 04:12 AM	#1
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25 October 2011, 04:22 AM	#5
masterkiller "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sweden Watch: Rolex, AP & PAM... Posts: 1,403	It sure have/will create serious badwill for Panerai, but still I am on the lookout for a 'Rad' but have to stay with the clear casebacks to be sure :-) /masterkiller __________________ Rolex - SubC... AP - Diver... Panerai - PAM380 Omega - Speedy PRO

25 October 2011, 08:52 AM	#11
GMTJOHNNY "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: John Location: LONG ISLAND, NY Watch: 2007 DAY DATE 18KT Posts: 1,378	Glad I saw this thread. I just lost my taste completely...especially after seeing the food menu under the watch. Not sure I am going to drop any cash on a Panerai any time soon now. __________________ ROLEX DAY DATE 118238 (2007) ROLEX DAY DATE 18238 (1997) ROLEX GMT 16750 PEPSI (1987) ROLEX AIR KING 14000 (1991) ROLEX GMTIIC TT 116713LN (2008)

25 October 2011, 09:06 AM	#12
7sins "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: B. Location: Beverly Hills, CA Posts: 3,622	Can someone give me the cliff-notes on what is going on here? It seems Panerai put a shitty unfinished ETA movement in a boutique edition pam? __________________ Richard Mille RG RM030 \|\| Richard Mille RM72ti \|\| AP 26240 50TH Green Royal Oak Chrono \|\| AP Royal Oak Off Shore Gulf Blue 26238 \|\| AP Royal Oak Blue JUMBO SS 15202ST \|\| AP ROO Diver Green 15720ST \|\| ♕ Rolex Platinum Daytona Diamond 116506 \|\| Cartier Santos

25 October 2011, 09:28 AM	#14
toph "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: ChrisTOPHer Location: Sydney Watch: Rolex, Brellum, Posts: 12,601	that movemnet costs $100 and a basic decorated one is $150, embarrassing that they do no take the time to finish it nicely and make it 'theirs' __________________ "Where no counsel is the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety." Member No.# 11795

25 October 2011, 04:16 AM	#2
MP5 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: ATX Posts: 2,886	Yes, a terrible move. Absolutely unprecedented and unacceptable. Thank goodness it's limited to those 150 watches

25 October 2011, 04:16 AM	#3
psv 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA & France Posts: 11,078	I saw some of the discussions leading up to this post. I thought for sure that the guy had bought a fugazzi, but apparently this is the cr-p Panerai pushes out. I even owned that watch at one point, bought it at the boutique and everything. I have never been a fan of Richemont as they are a Corporate marketing/branding machine more than anything, and this is more proof of that. If this is really the movement in a special edition piece sold only in boutiques in is truly unforgivable in my opinion.

25 October 2011, 04:22 AM	#4
drtooth73 Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: W. Stutman Location: Motor City Watch: TT GMT IIC Posts: 2,223	Thanks for posting, I liked the background thread, where most guys said it was fake.

25 October 2011, 04:24 AM	#6
nauticajoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Joe Location: PA Posts: 14,774	That's is awful! No wonder there's been an uptick of people cracking their casebacks in p.com.

25 October 2011, 05:05 AM	#7
psv 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA & France Posts: 11,078	It is even more entertaining reading the posts from people that was flaming the OP for doing this, and ever more tragic to see the post from people stating that "this doesn't change a thing"!? It is a real "Emperor has no clothes" moment for Panerai IMO. If this post makes it further than p.com to Hodinkee etc if will be a real PR fiasco for Panerai/Richemont is rather severe implications. I, for one, am disgusted, if this is really true (still find it hard to believe).

25 October 2011, 06:16 AM	#8
sbux "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA Posts: 303	I cant see the pics, they are no longer there. anyone can re-post the pics? thanks a lot.

25 October 2011, 06:18 AM	#9
psv 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA & France Posts: 11,078	Here is one of the images of the beautiful inner-workings of a pure tool watch... "Special Boutique Edition". Limited to 150 pieces at $4,500 a pop.

25 October 2011, 06:19 AM	#10
usbzoso Banned Join Date: Apr 2011 Real Name: Stan Location: Dallas Watch: 16610/16600/16800 Posts: 1,231	horrible

25 October 2011, 09:28 AM	#15
brkanand 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: DrK Location: India Watch: 4=YMDaytonaGMTHulk Posts: 7,052	Looks like they simply forgot to stamp their name on the movement!

25 October 2011, 09:36 AM	#16
thsiao "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,248	Wow that is pretty sad... more reasons to only buy Panerais with an open caseback! My 416 movement probably looks as sad as the one posted in this thread.

25 October 2011, 10:14 AM	#17
xjeeunitx 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,529	Man... I wonder what my 005 looks like....

25 October 2011, 10:16 AM	#19
mtasquared "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: usa Watch: 1989 Submariner Posts: 166	Very glad I saw this thread, although it turns out for the worse.

25 October 2011, 10:51 AM	#20
agreenspan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: MA Posts: 56	It's just the 318 movement that is in question. The 4XX and 390 boutique series are basic, but decorated. There obviously must be SOME reason they put this movement in (they can't be that dumb). I would love to find out what that reason is.

25 October 2011, 11:58 AM	#21
leeye "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Lee Location: Singapore Watch: Too many...... Posts: 689	I was speechless when I saw pictures of the movement. A Chinese Seagull movement would have more pride than that! Now I will be more aware of the "cheaper" limited edition models being released. __________________ Lee, Singapore - Shanghai Submersibles - PAM 64, 87, 187, 243, 382 Luminor - PAM 366, 367, 372, 390, 420 Radiomir - PAM 410

25 October 2011, 02:04 PM	#22
htc8p "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Bert Location: philippines Watch: 116710 ln Posts: 3,472	really ugly. 2nd guessing panerai now...

25 October 2011, 02:15 PM	#23
MP5 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: ATX Posts: 2,886	Lots of overreaction and excuse for haters to jump on Panerai for a snafu on a whole 150 watches. Was the same outrage given when J. Dowling popped the back on the Exp I which tens of thousands were made?

25 October 2011, 03:35 PM	#24
hng "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: HaNgat Location: Jakarta Watch: Sports Rolex Posts: 648	I just can't comprehend why they are doing it to their own brand??? __________________ Cartier Tank / Suunto Stinger / 16014 / 16610LV / PAM 233 / 116520 / 14060M / 16710 / Omega Constellation

25 October 2011, 05:30 PM	#25
mmancari "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: MichaelMancari Location: Los Angeles Watch: Ap Diver 5513Rolex Posts: 119	Yikes! Wouldn't this make the watch the easiest to counterfeit? Just a damn shame! I can't believe they would do this to their own brand.

25 October 2011, 06:52 PM	#26
Cru Jones 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Paris, France Posts: 35,300	yowzers...... ok, ok, it's the same basic cheap (but robust) ETA movement that's just not decorated, but, man, it's a little weak to say the least. if for nothing else, have a little bit of pride and celebrate the brand a bit.

25 October 2011, 07:14 PM	#27
SoftLink Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Mick Location: Jakarta Watch: BreguetXXTi/SubC Posts: 74	Ok, it's clear that the OP decorated movement is still the same than the other one, just a bit of make up applied for show. Not impressed.

25 October 2011, 07:53 PM	#28
xjeeunitx 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,529	More I think about it... more it hurts me feelings.

25 October 2011, 08:05 PM	#29
RolexWatcher "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Vincent Location: LON HKG SYD Posts: 1,236	I guess Richemont is trying to see how little they can do to charge the same prices?? Very disappointing. Makes me feel that PAM is more a fashion brand than a watch brand now with actions such as this.

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