One dollar bet with an AD

[Perdu]

He told me the gold on the clasp was solid gold. I told him it was heavy plated. Do I loose my dollar?

[Rubenonfire]

I didn't think there was any plating on the cases or bracelets of modern gold rollies, right?

[Tools]

Yes, you would lose your dollar.

The gold through the clasp is a solid piece of 18k gold, fused to the stainless

[Perdu]

Well, that clears that up and I'm a dollar poorer.

[USMCsilver]

Originally Posted by Perdu

Well, that clears that up and I'm a dollar poorer.

Hey, only a $1 poorer isn't bad in the Rolex world.

[Andad]

I don't agree, stainless steel one side & gold on the other only qualifies as gold plate - and I don't care how thick it is - so there. As soon as gold is joined permanently to another metal it is no longer 'solid (18K) gold' IMO.
The correct description would be a solid (18K) gold plate stuck on a piece of stainless.
How thick does the gold have to be before it is gold filled, gold plated or a gold plate stuck on by some other method?

[rongmt]

Traditionally, a solid piece of gold fused to another metal is called "gold filled" or "rolled gold." Plated means that it was chemically or electronically put on the surface of another material.

[astcell]

Now we know why businesses have a dollar bill framed on the wall!

[Tools]

[Dan Pierce]

Oh geez, wait till JJ hears about this.
dP

[ashu2289]

Originally Posted by directioneng

I don't agree, stainless steel one side & gold on the other only qualifies as gold plate - and I don't care how thick it is - so there. As soon as gold is joined permanently to another metal it is no longer 'solid (18K) gold' IMO.
The correct description would be a solid (18K) gold plate stuck on a piece of stainless.
How thick does the gold have to be before it is gold filled, gold plated or a gold plate stuck on by some other method?

I agree

[The Crown]

Originally Posted by rongmt

Traditionally, a solid piece of gold fused to another metal is called "gold filled" or "rolled gold." Plated means that it was chemically or electronically put on the surface of another material.

Thats exactly what I was about to say. It is a solid piece of gold, however the band is not entirely solid. It is technically called rolled gold I believe.
Phillip

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by directioneng

I don't agree, stainless steel one side & gold on the other only qualifies as gold plate - and I don't care how thick it is - so there. As soon as gold is joined permanently to another metal it is no longer 'solid (18K) gold' IMO.
The correct description would be a solid (18K) gold plate stuck on a piece of stainless.
How thick does the gold have to be before it is gold filled, gold plated or a gold plate stuck on by some other method?

Sorry, Eddie....but that's bulls**t!!

Plating is a process created by ELECTROLYSIS when gold is used as a cathode and the item to be plated is the anode. Both are placed in a electrolytic bath and an electric current is passed between the anode and cathode.

Cations produced from the Au (gold) molecules then "bind" themselves to the steel metal and form a COATING say 10 microns thick.

In the Rolex clasp, what you see is actually 18K gold FUSED by a complex process onto the steel below. The thickness in this case is much higher - almost between 500 ~ 800 microns.

JJ

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by The Crown

Thats exactly what I was about to say. It is a solid piece of gold, however the band is not entirely solid. It is technically called rolled gold I believe.
Phillip

Sorry, Phillip....more bulls**t!!

That YELLOW you see is in fact 18K (750) grade GOLD!!!

[frostie]

Nice info JJ. Never heard of this

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by ashu2289

I agree

Don't agree to something you know nothing about, Ashu!!

[mcubed]

Sounds like it fits the definition of Gold Filled or at least a variation on this process (from Wikipedia)

Gold-filled jewelry (also called Gold Overlay) is composed of a solid layer of gold bonded with heat and pressure, to a base metal such as brass. Some high quality gold-filled pieces have the look, luster, and beauty of 14 karat (58%) gold.

Either way, I don't think if fits the definition of "solid gold" per the original bet

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by rongmt

Traditionally, a solid piece of gold fused to another metal is called "gold filled" or "rolled gold." Plated means that it was chemically or electronically put on the surface of another material.

You've got the LATTER part of that right, my friend.

The former is incorrect. Gold filling or rolled gold is an obsolete process used in the '50s and '60s.

On a Rolex clasp, what you see is actually a solid piece of 18K gold FUSED by a very complex process to the steel clasp below.

JJ

[Tools]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Sorry, Phillip....more bulls**t!!

That YELLOW you see is in fact 18K (750) grade GOLD!!!

But, are you sure ??????

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by Tools

But, are you sure ??????

As sure as I'm the leading tosser around here!!

[BiG JeEzY]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

As sure as I'm the leading tosser around here!!

I bow down to that JJ!!

[jac67]

Why is it that this topic comes up every few months or so, and the same cr@p gets dished out and JJ gets all huffed up.

Believe what you want. The gold is ACTUALLY 18k, and it is somehow 'fused' onto SS - THAT'S IT - now let's move on. Who cares what it is actually called.

You know JJ is 60+ yo, and he'll probably have a heart attack soon because of this topic.


John.

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by jac67

Why is it that this topic comes up every few months or so, and the same cr@p gets dished out and JJ gets all huffed up.

Believe what you want. The gold is ACTUALLY 18k, and it is somehow 'fused' onto SS - THAT'S IT - now let's move on. Who cares what it is actually called.

You know JJ is 60+ yo, and he'll probably have a heart attack soon because of this topic.


John.

Agreed, John. This one's been discussed over and over again.

Rolex have quite openly declared that all the GOLD mentioned in their Rolex models is of the 18 K (750) grade.

Plating is associated with ELECTROLYSIS and has absolutely nothing to do with the FUSION of 18 K gold with the steel metal on the clasp.

End of story!!

And don't worry....my ticker's tough as nails!!!

[Paulie]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

And don't worry....my ticker's tough as nails!!!

Have one of those "in-house" movements?

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by Paulie

Have one of those "in-house" movements?

LOL!! I turn 61 in October and can still belt out 60 push-ups, my friend!!

[S2000 Driver]

Originally Posted by jac67

Why is it that this topic comes up every few months or so, and the same cr@p gets dished out and JJ gets all huffed up...

It's just a conspiracy to get JJ huffed up!

[Paulie]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

LOL!! I turn 61 in October and can still belt out 60 push-ups, my friend!!

Denying the 61st pushup till October?

I just did 10. Time for a nap.

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by Paulie

Denying the 61st pushup till October?

I just did 10. Time for a nap.

You lazy bastid!!

[The Crown]

So it is technically called what? Filled gold? Thats what it looks like to me by my small amount of research...
Sorry but I have to get technical. When I don't know something it bugs the sh*t out of me.
Phillip

[Tools]

Originally Posted by The Crown

So it is technically called what? Filled gold? Thats what it looks like to me by my small amount of research...
Sorry but I have to get technical. When I don't know something it bugs the sh*t out of me.
Phillip

No, this would not be "technically" gold filled. Gold filled is where the base metal is wrapped in a gold layer under pressure to appear to be solid gold...but cheaper than solid - and more wear resistant than gold plating.

Rolex makes no claim that the clasp is anything but what it is...Solid Stainless Steel, with solid 18k gold fuzed to it through the center on TT models.