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Old 16 February 2012, 02:45 PM   #1
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Life Changing Event

I live a normal and somewhat boring life (although some who know me may disagree), going through life's routine such as university, career, marriage, deaths in the family and etcetera. So my trip to Vietnam last month for the first time since I left as an infant was supposed to be a routine vacation in my eyes. I honestly never thought it would really change my life in anyway, but it's strange what life throws at you when you least expect it. I met my biological father, which I didn't know existed since I always thought the man who raised me was my biological father. Apparently it was a secret that everyone in my family knew except me. In addition, I have an older half sister (First Marriage) and two younger half brothers (Third Marriage) who live in Finland.

Normally discovering a biological father and siblings that I didn't know existed would be a life changing event in itself, but apparently that isn't enough. My biological father has asked me come back and visit for about two to three months to get to know him, the country and his business. He has also asked me to come work for him for two years in Vietnam after my second visit. If I accept his offer, I would be leaving my career in IT, my life in the US and my wife since she decided that she would stay in the US during the duration. The trade off is that I would get to know my biological father, learn my culture, learn business skill sets and make some serious money.

I am planning my second trip back to Vietnam at the end of the year which may decide my fate although I am leaning towards making the life changing move.

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Old 16 February 2012, 03:02 PM   #2
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Quite a moving story along with amazing pictures, you can clearly feel the cultural differences by them. I hope you had a good trip despite all the news and perhaps shocking events you went through. I also wish you a lot of courage to make up your mind and make the good decision.
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Old 16 February 2012, 03:12 PM   #3
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Viet Nam is a very beautiful country and I'm certain the appeal must be great, what with having met your father, siblings, and having been offered a sweet business deal.

Good luck in your decision making.
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Whoa, that's a helluva decision to make!! Couple questions:

1) Is your biological dad's business offer truly legit? Not to be cynical or an ass, but you having American citizenship (I'm assuming) and a decent income makes you an inviting target.

2) How strong is your marriage? Once again, you having American citizenship and a decent income makes you an inviting target. And I'm sure you've witnessed/experienced firsthand that a guy with money is king in countries like Vietnam.

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Old 16 February 2012, 04:19 PM   #5
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Well good on you Vu.
Unless your marital relationship is rock solid I wouldn't dare go. It's very hard to use skype to retain a relationship...
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Old 16 February 2012, 05:07 PM   #6
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Old 16 February 2012, 05:27 PM   #7
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I love my wife. More than anyone. I lost my dad when I was 15. If I had that opportunity regardless of money or whatnot. Id go. 24 months is nothing. I have been in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2008. I imagine it may be a tough choice. But it is not permanent. You can always reverse if it is not going well. You had no control over all of those choices made so many years ago. IT jobs come and go. Id go see my Dad.

Good luck with your choice. Your wife will always be by your side. That is one of the great reasons we call them wife. :) Plus you guys are free to see each other as money and time permits.

I know it will be a tough choice. Let the wife choose what she wants. Happy Wife, Happy life! :)
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Old 17 February 2012, 02:02 AM   #8
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Wow, thanks for sharing your experience !!! Goes to show we all take life for granted sometimes and fail to show the real appreciation for what we have and for what we have or in some cases have not experienced !!
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Old 17 February 2012, 02:27 AM   #9
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I don't envy the choice you have to make. I couldn't leave my wife behind for 2 years personally. No way.

Good luck with your choice.
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Old 17 February 2012, 03:10 AM   #10
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Good luck with your decision.....it's a tough choice to make. Is your marriage strong...will she wait.....if so it would be a life changing experience to get to know your Dad and homeland and your culture by birth. Good luck to you but remember you have made a life long commitment to your lady and her wishes are very important!!!
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Tough one. For me, as much as I love my parents, my wife and son are my family so I would not do it.

Good luck with your decision.

Amazing photos by the way.
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The three month visit I can completely understand but 2 years straight away from your wife...?

Surely it's a bit stange that this has all been laid on the table so soon.
I could understand him suggesting the three month visit and then, if that went well, saying you should come out for longer but this seems to have gone from 0-60 in about 2 seconds!
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Old 17 February 2012, 03:26 AM   #13
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Absolutely amazing Vu! And what a difficult choice. It is an easy one for me, I am not married, no children, I would go in a heartbeat but as members have brought up, family is a difficult thing to leave. Is there no chance she could come with you?

Anyway, I would look at it as an exciting adventure, but I understand your concerns. I wish you the best in whichever you choose my friend!
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Old 17 February 2012, 03:40 AM   #14
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Your wife is your family now. I'm not saying don't go, but the two of you need to be on the same page. You don't choose your family, but you do choose your wife/husband.

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Old 17 February 2012, 03:46 AM   #15
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Freakin amazing pictures, it looks like you could eat your way through the whole place, my style, for sure
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Here's the back story, which makes things a little more interesting.

My mother left Vietnam with me when I was three years old to get away from my biological father and the country. She met my step dad on the boat that he was captaining and he took a liking to us. My step dad was in the South Vietnamese navy so he had ties to the US military, which made it easier for him to enter the US. My step dad and mother changed my birth name when I emigrated to America to make the paperwork easier.

My biological father was thrown in prison for 18 months by the Communist for helping people escape Vietnam. When he got out, he emigrated to Finland with his family. He told me that he spent years searching for me and my mom which included several trips to the US in hope of finding us. My mother had told her family not to say a word about where we were. Her reasoning was that she had her life and family in the US and he had his life and family in Finland. She never ever imagined that I would ever meet my biological father.

About ten years ago, my biological father divorced his third wife and moved back to Vietnam to make his fortune again. He finally was able to get a hold of my mother and they have kept up communications for the past few years. My step father passed away a year and a half ago. Last year, my mother suggested that I come back and visit Vietnam to see my grandmother since she was getting old and she hadn't seen me since I was an infant. I later found out that this was a cover for me to meet my biological father. Even though we were staying at my biological father's home and he was taking care of everything, it wasn't until a few days in that my mom told me who he really was.

My mother and wife thinks it's a good idea for me to try this venture. My wife and I had a four year long distance relationship before we got married so only time will tell if a two year period will change anything. My wife actually welcomes the idea of being on her own since she never has been. And it's not like I will be in Vietnam for two years straight. I am sure that I will come back and visit the US during that time frame.

Maybe I am looking for something that I didn't have since my family wasn't very close. Or it could be that life is a little boring and I am caught up in the rat race and needing a change. I won't lie, the idea of traveling and making my fortune is appealing. And even if I don't make the money that I am hoping too, I will at least learn new skill sets that I can bring back to the US and start a new career. I believe the three month visit will be the deciding factor. The downside is that I will have to quit my job with the plus side that my biological father will cover my salary that I would be giving up. So when I come back from the second trip, I will either be looking for another job in IT or preparing for a two year adventure.
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Why do so many people in Asian countries have their mouth covered?
Does the flu run rampant there or are they just being extra couscous?
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Old 17 February 2012, 09:37 AM   #19
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Why do so many people in Asian countries have their mouth covered?
Does the flu run rampant there or are they just being extra couscous?
In Vietnam, a lot of people ride mopeds and don't wear full helmets. So they wear those masks to avoid breathing in dust and other things when they ride.
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I couldn't imagine as being away from my wife for one night is hard enough....
Beautiful pictures and what a story. Best of luck with your decision.
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Wow, Vu, thanks for the story and it sure is interesting. I think it would be a tremendous adventure, how exciting! However, I am not married, I have no children, the decision for me is easy, I see why it is not for you.

Let me throw some theory to you... Please do NOT be offended. It sounds like in your words you are excited about this opportunity, for many reasons. The main reason you would not go, is so your relationship with your wife is not jeopardized. Obviously, that's an important consideration. But let's look at it another way.

Let's say you turn it down. Is it possible, this my create eventual resentment towards your wife? Because she is the reason you did not take this incredible adventure? And it may do your relationship with her more harm in the long run. (?).

Again, please do not be offended, but, I have seen this happen; from my Military service days.

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Tough one. Many opinions and thoughts on it.

I would do it if it is really what you want to do BUT only with the knowledge that it will not disrupt the rest of your life permanently I.E wife. your family who raised you etc.

This might seem harsh as i dont knwo any background info:
He might be your father biologically but your dad is your dad who raised you and was there for you growing up and dont you ever forget that.
Has you bio dad ever tried to contact you? What do you know about him?
I would be inclined to be a bit sceptical after so long. Money should not even come into this.
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Tough one. For me, as much as I love my parents, my wife and son are my family so I would not do it.

Good luck with your decision.

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Tough one. Many opinions and thoughts on it.

I would do it if it is really what you want to do BUT only with the knowledge that it will not disrupt the rest of your life permanently I.E wife. your family who raised you etc.

This might seem harsh as i dont knwo any background info:
He might be your father biologically but your dad is your dad who raised you and was there for you growing up and dont you ever forget that.
Has you bio dad ever tried to contact you? What do you know about him?
I would be inclined to be a bit sceptical after so long. Money should not even come into this.
Toph - just a couple of points and then I'll go back to minding my own business - we don't know Vu's relationship with his stepdad.... or anyone in his family for that matter. As Vu wrote, his bio dad made attempts to find him but his mom kept their whereabouts secret.

I can't articulate this very well, and can't speak for Vu, but sometimes people need to find answers to their deepest questions by accepting challenges... it's about needing to understand one's capabilities, realize dreams, goals, and fundamentally know who we are.
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Amazing pictures. You've got a tough decision to make but these things usually have a way of working themselves out. Hopefully after the second trip things will be clearer.

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Great photos. I don't envy your decision as I would not want to make that decision but I suspect I would be staying here with my wife.
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Whoa, that's a helluva decision to make!! Couple questions:

1) Is your biological dad's business offer truly legit? Not to be cynical or an ass, but you having American citizenship (I'm assuming) and a decent income makes you an inviting target.

2) How strong is your marriage? Once again, you having American citizenship and a decent income makes you an inviting target. And I'm sure you've witnessed/experienced firsthand that a guy with money is king in countries like Vietnam.

Good luck!!
Is my biological dad's business legit? I don't know since we didn't talk much about business during my two weeks. I did visit a farm that he owns and we tour a development area where he was making note of things that were wrong and having his secretary calling people asking them why. It's possible that it was an act but it didn't seem like it. I stayed at his main house which would be well off even in US standards. He showed me another home closer to the city and said I could have it if I wanted it. I chatted with my new founded half brother and he made the comment that our dad wouldn't have a problem paying me a salary of a few thousand US every month. So I'm not quite sure how I would be an inviting target since I really don't have anything financially to lose. For him to pay me the salary that he is talking about, he has more to lose financially considering that the average monthly income in Vietnam is only about $150 USD. But you're right to say that a guy with money can live like a king in a third world country.

In honesty, I believe he cares for his family and he is lonely since none of his children live in Vietnam. Being the oldest son, there is a certain status that exist in Asian families and the fact that I'm the only one who has shown interest in living in Vietnam, decreases the odd that he would do anything to lose that.

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Wow, Vu, thanks for the story and it sure is interesting. I think it would be a tremendous adventure, how exciting! However, I am not married, I have no children, the decision for me is easy, I see why it is not for you.

Let me throw some theory to you... Please do NOT be offended. It sounds like in your words you are excited about this opportunity, for many reasons. The main reason you would not go, is so your relationship with your wife is not jeopardized. Obviously, that's an important consideration. But let's look at it another way.

Let's say you turn it down. Is it possible, this my create eventual resentment towards your wife? Because she is the reason you did not take this incredible adventure? And it may do your relationship with her more harm in the long run. (?).

Again, please do not be offended, but, I have seen this happen; from my Military service days.

Whatever you decide, I wish you the best my friend.



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I have always listen to what you have to say Paul so no worries especially since you're not the first person to bring up the topic. My wife and I have discussed the subject and she wants me to go. She says that she doesn't ever want to stand in my way. Could this decision eventually end of my marriage? The answer is possibly. We have no children and we are only in our mid-30's so if both of us had to start over, we can. My aunt actually expressed her concerns since she said that girls will be throwing themselves at me. I think she's exaggerating a bit. I may be a US citizen and tall, but I'm an average looking guy with a big round head with not much to offer to young pretty girls.
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My aunt actually expressed her concerns since she said that girls will be throwing themselves at me. I think she's exaggerating a bit. I may be a US citizen and tall, but I'm an average looking guy with a big round head with not much to offer to young pretty girls.
You bet. Since it's a 3rd world country, people there will try to get a foothold on anything that can get them out.
Seen this many a times when friends got divorced after working in China leaving their families in Hong Kong and Melbourne, for some young girls they met in China.

Temptations abound over there. Good luck mate.
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Why not take her with you?

I hope I am never in this situation because this is tough.

In your previous reply you wrote:

Could this decision eventually end of my marriage? The answer is possibly. We have no children and we are only in our mid-30's so if both of us had to start over, we can.

PLEASE do not take this the wrong way, this is just the way I am reading your statement and I could be way wrong: Based on that statement, it sounds to me like your heart really isn't in this marriage. If that's true, the answer is easy. Go to Vietnam, but end the marriage and set each other free. It will make it a lot better on your conscience.

Again, I might be reading this wrong and perhaps that's not what you meant to say at all. It's just how I read it, from an English second language to another.

If it was me and I wanted my marriage, I would either take her with me or not go at all.
If I did not really want my marriage, I would set her free and allow her to find her own happiness.
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