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baron74 · 12 April 2012, 12:56 AM

Greetings!
My first post on this forum

I've bought this sub from fine reputation person for $4600. Only watches and the box. Actually I've already presented as gift it to my wife and ordered 2 straps

Made some inspection before buying:
- definitely Rolex caliber - the second hand runs smoothly; specific Rolex balance sound; 8 beats per second ticks; all caliber functions working properly
- the body and bracelet seems to be ok and their serials matches, the bezel shows 120 clicks
- the dial and hands seems to be ok

BUT (!!!) - after buying the watches, being at home, I was surprised that I can catch the crystal coronet by my naked eye. And even make a photo (!!!). Just putting my sub under the lamp, finding proper angle and shooting. Please look the last photo.
This is really disturbs me, because I heard this coronet near impossible to find. I can't sleep now

I'd really appreciate any comment from Rolex guru. Thanks in advance!

Here is the photos:

handsfull · 12 April 2012, 01:29 AM

What is the issue? The coronet is visible in the last pic, are you saying its 'too' visible? .

Robbyvm · 12 April 2012, 01:30 AM

your sub looks perfectly ok Sir, don't lose anymore sleep ok....

padi56 · 12 April 2012, 01:52 AM

Well the watch looks good you state you made some inspection before buying:
- definitely Rolex caliber - the second hand runs smoothly; specific Rolex balance sound; 8 beats per second ticks.How did you check this did you get the back off,today most watches and most movements today all brands run at 28800BPH which is 8 ticks per second.And with light and the correct angle you should be able to see the LEC, on fake watches its very very easy to see.And most fakes the LEC can be felt on the crystal surface,Rolex uses a laser the LEC is beneath the crystal surface.

baron74 · 12 April 2012, 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by handsfull

What is the issue? The coronet is visible in the last pic, are you saying its 'too' visible? .

Yes, its too visible and is "not very difficult to find". This is an issue...

baron74 · 12 April 2012, 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbyvm

your sub looks perfectly ok Sir, don't lose anymore sleep ok....

That makes me glad anyway, thank you. At least you confirmed that the body is ok...

Zirotti · 12 April 2012, 03:26 AM

That looks legit to me. On the replicas, as Padi said, the LEC is very prominent. I can't see it on any of your pictures except the last one.

From what I can tell, your crystal, insert, bezel dial, hands and crown look genuine to me :)

baron74 · 12 April 2012, 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padi56

Well the watch looks good you state you made some inspection before buying:
How did you check this did you get the back off,today most watches and most movements today all brands run at 28800BPH which is 8 ticks per second.And with light and the correct angle you should be able to see the LEC, on fake watches its very very easy to see.And most fakes the LEC can be felt on the crystal surface,Rolex uses a laser the LEC is beneath the crystal surface.

Agree with you. 8bps checking is not enough. Earlier, before negotiations, seller opened back cover, verified the movement and made a photo. I didn't get the back off, but, as I believe to seller, the movement photo was enough for me.

The LEC is definitely beneath the crystal. Its obviously not very easy to see but I'm confused a little bit that it is not very difficult to see by naked eye.

May be someone, who has experience with different 16610 subs from 2002-2004, would give me a hint.

By the way now I'm feeling much better. Thank you for explanations!

alexthegreat123 · 12 April 2012, 04:13 AM

Looks good to me. LEC is pretty visible on watches with black dial

baron74 · 12 April 2012, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zirotti

That looks legit to me. On the replicas, as Padi said, the LEC is very prominent. I can't see it on any of your pictures except the last one.

From what I can tell, your crystal, insert, bezel dial, hands and crown look genuine to me :)

Thanks! I'm really glad.
I'll ask my wife to pose to make some wristshots. Will post shots here!

crowncollection · 12 April 2012, 08:06 AM

looks good mate don't stress

marnii · 19 April 2012, 08:58 AM

well,my sub f doesn't have that coronet,and i know it is real,i thought the later year model have coronet like my 116233

jfestrelabr · 20 April 2012, 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexthegreat123

looks good to me. Lec is pretty visible on watches with black dial

+1

baron74 · 21 April 2012, 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marnii

well,my sub f doesn't have that coronet,and i know it is real,i thought the later year model have coronet like my 116233

I believe it depends on period when the watch was produced. I suppose the early F subs had not the coronet.

GradyPhilpott · 21 April 2012, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baron74

Yes, its too visible and is "not very difficult to find". This is an issue...

I can't speak for a personal inspection of the watch, but catching the coronet is not impossible. I see it quite often with only my glasses, especially behind the wheel with the sunlight streaming through the windshield.

I took this picture with the aid of an LED flashlight.

The watch looks good to me.

FNFZ4 · 21 April 2012, 02:45 PM

its good. im more worried about the links of the bracelet.

baron74 · 21 April 2012, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FNFZ4

its good. im more worried about the links of the bracelet.

Do you mean the bracelet is too short? I've shortened it for my wife...

Andad · 21 April 2012, 05:17 PM

Nice.

Looks good to me.

I hope your wife enjoys wearing it.

azguy · 22 April 2012, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FNFZ4

its good. im more worried about the links of the bracelet.

It doesn't look like it has the divers extension either, hard to tell...

OP, what's the bracelet code

baron74 · 22 April 2012, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azguy

It doesn't look like it has the divers extension either, hard to tell...

OP, what's the bracelet code

The code is 93250.
Here is the clasp opened (photo made by iphone, sorry):

p1dominus · 22 April 2012, 08:59 AM

crown guards look good, bezel insert and pearl looks gen, caseback teeth look gen, bracelet edges are soft as opposed to not rounded, sel fit is good. all sings point to gen. you should be able to catch the coronet with your naked eye from the right angle.

nice watch, great price, enjoy it.

bayerische · 22 April 2012, 09:06 AM

Relax, it's all good.

baron74 · 17 May 2012, 01:32 AM

I've got some wrist pics finally:
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=233838

Thank you all guys for help!!!

RolexWatcher · 17 May 2012, 01:00 PM

If you look at the pic again, the LEC is visible because it seems like (although might be wrong) someone shone a light from the 12 oc position.

Rest well and enjoy your watch! :)

baron74 · 17 May 2012, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolexWatcher

If you look at the pic again, the LEC is visible because it seems like (although might be wrong) someone shone a light from the 12 oc position.

Rest well and enjoy your watch! :)

Yes, the light position was just as you describe! Nice watch, wi are happy with it!

MoBe · 17 May 2012, 11:03 PM

Some people will have better eyesight than others,usually younger people.

mjclark32 · 17 May 2012, 11:09 PM

Looks good to me, I can see the led on my sub pretty easily too (at the right angle/light)

Goiguidoc · 18 May 2012, 05:29 AM

The watch is fine, don't worry!

12 April 2012, 12:56 AM	#1
baron74 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: St. Petersburg Posts: 13	Please check my F-sub Greetings! My first post on this forum I've bought this sub from fine reputation person for $4600. Only watches and the box. Actually I've already presented as gift it to my wife and ordered 2 straps Made some inspection before buying: - definitely Rolex caliber - the second hand runs smoothly; specific Rolex balance sound; 8 beats per second ticks; all caliber functions working properly - the body and bracelet seems to be ok and their serials matches, the bezel shows 120 clicks - the dial and hands seems to be ok BUT (!!!) - after buying the watches, being at home, I was surprised that I can catch the crystal coronet by my naked eye. And even make a photo (!!!). Just putting my sub under the lamp, finding proper angle and shooting. Please look the last photo. This is really disturbs me, because I heard this coronet near impossible to find. I can't sleep now I'd really appreciate any comment from Rolex guru. Thanks in advance! Here is the photos:

12 April 2012, 01:52 AM	#4
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,060	Well the watch looks good you state you made some inspection before buying: - definitely Rolex caliber - the second hand runs smoothly; specific Rolex balance sound; 8 beats per second ticks.How did you check this did you get the back off,today most watches and most movements today all brands run at 28800BPH which is 8 ticks per second.And with light and the correct angle you should be able to see the LEC, on fake watches its very very easy to see.And most fakes the LEC can be felt on the crystal surface,Rolex uses a laser the LEC is beneath the crystal surface. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

12 April 2012, 04:13 AM	#9
alexthegreat123 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Alex Location: Cincinnati, OH Watch: GMT 16710 w/ 3186 Posts: 8,406	Looks good to me. LEC is pretty visible on watches with black dial __________________ GMT Master II 16710 w/3186 "M" Coke SeaDweller 16600 "M"

12 April 2012, 08:06 AM	#11
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,216	looks good mate don't stress __________________ watches many

21 April 2012, 02:45 PM	#16
FNFZ4 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Alfred Location: DC Metro Watch: None Posts: 29,368	its good. im more worried about the links of the bracelet. __________________ NEED PC HELP? ASK HERE! Watches: Patek 5205G \| Patek 5167A \| 16613 Serti \| 116718 Green \| 216570 Black \| 16700 Pepsi Wish list: Patek 5726/1 \| AP RG Ceramic \| Patek 5712 \| Patek 5130

12 April 2012, 01:29 AM	#2
handsfull "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: J Location: The great Midwest Watch: youlookinat? Posts: 2,369	What is the issue? The coronet is visible in the last pic, are you saying its 'too' visible? .

12 April 2012, 01:30 AM	#3
Robbyvm "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,239	your sub looks perfectly ok Sir, don't lose anymore sleep ok....

12 April 2012, 03:26 AM	#7
Zirotti "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Jason Location: Tejas Watch: Invicta Posts: 1,066	That looks legit to me. On the replicas, as Padi said, the LEC is very prominent. I can't see it on any of your pictures except the last one. From what I can tell, your crystal, insert, bezel dial, hands and crown look genuine to me :)

19 April 2012, 08:58 AM	#12
marnii "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Real Name: kevin Location: ny Posts: 235	well,my sub f doesn't have that coronet,and i know it is real,i thought the later year model have coronet like my 116233

21 April 2012, 05:17 PM	#18
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,522	Nice. Looks good to me. I hope your wife enjoys wearing it. __________________ E

22 April 2012, 08:59 AM	#21
p1dominus "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: fort lauderdale Posts: 6	crown guards look good, bezel insert and pearl looks gen, caseback teeth look gen, bracelet edges are soft as opposed to not rounded, sel fit is good. all sings point to gen. you should be able to catch the coronet with your naked eye from the right angle. nice watch, great price, enjoy it.

22 April 2012, 09:06 AM	#22
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	Relax, it's all good. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

17 May 2012, 01:32 AM	#23
baron74 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: St. Petersburg Posts: 13	I've got some wrist pics finally: http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=233838 Thank you all guys for help!!!

17 May 2012, 01:00 PM	#24
RolexWatcher "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Vincent Location: LON HKG SYD Posts: 1,236	If you look at the pic again, the LEC is visible because it seems like (although might be wrong) someone shone a light from the 12 oc position. Rest well and enjoy your watch! :)

17 May 2012, 11:03 PM	#26
MoBe "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 6,773	Some people will have better eyesight than others,usually younger people.

17 May 2012, 11:09 PM	#27
mjclark32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: MJC Location: PHL USA Watch: IWC, Rolex, AP Posts: 29,232	Looks good to me, I can see the led on my sub pretty easily too (at the right angle/light) __________________

18 May 2012, 05:29 AM	#28
Goiguidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: Europe Watch: Rolex vintage Posts: 1,062	The watch is fine, don't worry!

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