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2th Dr · 15 May 2012, 03:13 AM

Ok, so I sold a $375 watch (on a different forum) to a guy in Canada. He just received it, and is complaining that he had to pay import taxes on it ($50 he says), and wants ME to pay him for it! Does this sound fair? I don't think so. I specifically said on my FS thread that I was selling CONUS only, but he wanted the watch so I agreed to ship, and I ate the international shipping cost.

Wolfgang427 · 15 May 2012, 03:17 AM

Not fair at all.

I've sold to Canada before and every buyer paid the import tax.

2th Dr · 15 May 2012, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by wolfgang427

Not fair at all.

I've sold to Canada before and every buyer paid the import tax.

I just told him if he's not happy, he can send the watch back, but this should be at his expense and the refund to him should be MINUS my cost to ship to him originally, correct?

azguy · 15 May 2012, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 2th DR

I specifically said on my FS thread that I was selling CONUS only, but he wanted the watch so I agreed to ship, and I ate the international shipping cost.

don't break your own rules, I assume you have them for a reason

Dr. Robert · 15 May 2012, 03:23 AM

That's why I don't ship out of the USA....too much hassel...I'm not in the export biz.

2th Dr · 15 May 2012, 03:26 AM

It's kinda funny, but there's usually no issues buying/selling high end watches, at least for me, but when it comes to an inexpensive watch, some buyers can be very difficult.

I know some may argue that what is cheap to one person may not be cheap to someone else, but I'm just relatively speaking, of course.

daveathall · 15 May 2012, 03:40 AM

Buyer pays his own customs duties, how can he think it fair that a person from another country pays tax to a foreign country?

Seems like buyers remorse to me, don't entertain him, don't have the watch back either. Sold. Period.

A.J.R. · 15 May 2012, 03:42 AM

The buyer should have known that there was going to be some sort of importation tax involved. Personally I think they are playing dumb to screw you out of another fifty dollars.

SaddleSC · 15 May 2012, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 2th DR

It's kinda funny, but there's usually no issues buying/selling high end watches, at least for me, but when it comes to an inexpensive watch, some buyers can be very difficult.

I totally agree! I have been involved in many hassle-free transactions for Rolex and Panerai, but the biggest headaches are always when I am selling Seikos, G Shocks, etc.

2th Dr · 15 May 2012, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by daveathall

Buyer pays his own customs duties, how can he think it fair that a person from another country pays tax to a foreign country?

Seems like buyers remorse to me, don't entertain him, don't have the watch back either. Sold. Period.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by A.J.R.

The buyer should have known that there was going to be some sort of importation tax involved. Personally I think they are playing dumb to screw you out of another fifty dollars.

Again, agreed.

blassy · 15 May 2012, 04:25 AM

I live in Canada and buy plenty of US good including watches. My wife buys so many purses that the delivery guy and I are on a first name basis.
As a Canadian you KNOW you are going to be charged taxes, brokerage fees upon receipt. If you don't know, you do now.
Not your problem at this point....he should have known by doing some pretty simple research.

conrail · 15 May 2012, 04:36 AM

Unless you agreed in advance to cover the import costs, then those are on him, as they are on every buyer 99% of the time. You made an exception for him and even paid the extra shipping costs associated with shipping to Canada.

If it is within your return policy, you can offer him a refund. Otherwise

CDNWatchNut · 15 May 2012, 04:38 AM

That's completely bogus on the buyer's part and regretfully just adds one more reason why people put CONUS only on their listings. (although please remember ...not all of us up here in Canada are like your buyer)
Anyone old enough to buy a watch internationally ought to know there is duty to be paid upon importation, and if they don't, then tough luck for them, not the seller.

If you offered a refund less all of your costs, that would be generous.

2th Dr · 15 May 2012, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CDNWatchNut

That's completely bogus on the buyer's part and regretfully just adds one more reason why people put CONUS only on their listings. (although please remember ...not all of us up here in Canada are like your buyer)
Anyone old enough to buy a watch from overseas ought to know there is duty to be paid upon importation, and if they don't, then tough luck for them, not the seller.

If you offered a refund less all of your costs, that would be generous.

This I know, as around the same time, I sold a more expensive watch to another Great White North buyer, without a hitch.

CDNWatchNut · 15 May 2012, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 2th DR

This I know, as around the same time, I sold a more expensive watch to another Great White North buyer, without a hitch.

Thanks ! I for one appreciate having access to the much larger market in the US.

Rolesor · 15 May 2012, 05:14 AM

Every Canadian knows there is a risk of import tax on an item purchased and shipped from the US. He is basically implying that he wanted you to lie about the value of the contents inside to ensure he paid less duty.

If no "arrangements" were made then he knew full well he'd likely have to pay something..

rolexgiants · 15 May 2012, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by azguy

don't break your own rules, I assume you have them for a reason

Agreed... He says CONUS... Then decides to break his own rules... Makes ZERO sense!!!! Then complain about it here...

2th Dr · 15 May 2012, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexgiants

Agreed... He says CONUS... Then decides to break his own rules... Makes ZERO sense!!!! Then complain about it here...

Ah, no less of a response than I would expect from you...
I'm not complaining, I'm asking for opinions (sans yours).

Noonan · 15 May 2012, 06:06 AM

I've sent watches and pens to Canada without issue. I've seen threads like this in the past so I always make sure to put "customs/taxes at the risk of the buyer" to cover myself. I would offer a refund, no way would I agree to pay their import taxes.

cornerstore · 15 May 2012, 06:14 AM

Import Duty is minimal,it looks like the buyer got hit with Sales Tax,amount of sales tax collected varies by Provence of residence just as it varies by State in USA.You'd pay sales tax if you bought the watch in Country from a dealer ,so it is a cost of purchase.Duties are minimal to non existent on watches coming into Canada and generally not often collected .

2th Dr · 15 May 2012, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Noonan

I've sent watches and pens to Canada without issue. I've seen threads like this in the past so I always make sure to put "customs/taxes at the risk of the buyer" to cover myself. I would offer a refund, no way would I agree to pay their import taxes.

I did offer a refund, but he complained about that too, saying it would cost him additional money to send it back.

rolexgiants · 15 May 2012, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 2th DR

Ah, no less of a response than I would expect from you...
I'm not complaining, I'm asking for opinions (sans yours).

You seem very SHORT minded and hostile... U ask for opinions.... Then u go on attack mode... Have a nice day anyway!

2th Dr · 15 May 2012, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexgiants

You seem very SHORT minded and hostile... U ask for opinions.... Then u go on attack mode... Have a nice day anyway!

Only with you, because no matter what I've ever posted that you respond to, your response is always negative. Don't believe me? Go back and look. But I digress. You have a nice day too.

Johny · 15 May 2012, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexgiants

Agreed... He says CONUS... Then decides to break his own rules... Makes ZERO sense!!!! Then complain about it here...

nope dont see any complaining. i can see opinions being asked for.

conrail · 15 May 2012, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexgiants

Agreed... He says CONUS... Then decides to break his own rules... Makes ZERO sense!!!! Then complain about it here...

Calm down.

He made an accommodating exception to his rules, is getting unwarranted flak from an apparently unsophisticated buyer, and now wants the forum's opinion.

Johny · 15 May 2012, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by conrail

Calm down.

He made an accommodating exception to his rules, is getting unwarranted flak from an apparently unsophisticated buyer, and now wants the forum's opinion.

well said.

rolexgiants · 15 May 2012, 07:53 AM

Lol.. I don't even know u... u didn't want to send outside the states... Then u do... And a problem arises... Do u need a watch forum to completely absolve u from the problem... Ok... It's not ur fault... Lol.

rolexgiants · 15 May 2012, 08:03 AM

And by the way... I happen to think there is blame on both sides... More him than u...

2th Dr · 15 May 2012, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexgiants

Lol.. I don't even know u... u didn't want to send outside the states... Then u do... And a problem arises... Do u need a watch forum to completely absolve u from the problem... Ok... It's not ur fault... Lol.

Please just do me a favor, and don't respond to any more of my posts. I don't want your opinion on anything. Thanks.

Johny · 15 May 2012, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 2th DR

Please just do me a favor, and don't respond to any more of my posts. I don't want your opinion an anything. Thanks.

hi i dont know the history but for some reason is this starting to become an obsession with that other poster? its just that it seems to be a very geniune reguest from you for the opinions of the forum and nothing else.

15 May 2012, 03:13 AM	#1
2th Dr Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Mark-O! Location: Arlington, TX Watch: Rolex Posts: 12,714	Sending a watch to Canada... Ok, so I sold a $375 watch (on a different forum) to a guy in Canada. He just received it, and is complaining that he had to pay import taxes on it ($50 he says), and wants ME to pay him for it! Does this sound fair? I don't think so. I specifically said on my FS thread that I was selling CONUS only, but he wanted the watch so I agreed to ship, and I ate the international shipping cost.

15 May 2012, 03:17 AM	#2
Wolfgang427 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Wolfgang Location: New Jersey. Watch: Rolex Tudor Omega Posts: 5,592	Not fair at all. I've sold to Canada before and every buyer paid the import tax. __________________ TRF member #917

15 May 2012, 03:23 AM	#5
Dr. Robert 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Bob Location: U.S.A. Watch: 1655 Posts: 64,297	That's why I don't ship out of the USA....too much hassel...I'm not in the export biz. __________________ Founder & Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

15 May 2012, 03:40 AM	#7
daveathall "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Dave Location: England. Watch: Various Posts: 7,305	Buyer pays his own customs duties, how can he think it fair that a person from another country pays tax to a foreign country? Seems like buyers remorse to me, don't entertain him, don't have the watch back either. Sold. Period. __________________ KINDEST REGARDS DAVE

15 May 2012, 03:42 AM	#8
A.J.R. "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: AJ Location: Oregon Watch: SUBC, DJII Posts: 1,827	The buyer should have known that there was going to be some sort of importation tax involved. Personally I think they are playing dumb to screw you out of another fifty dollars. __________________

15 May 2012, 03:26 AM	#6
2th Dr Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Mark-O! Location: Arlington, TX Watch: Rolex Posts: 12,714	It's kinda funny, but there's usually no issues buying/selling high end watches, at least for me, but when it comes to an inexpensive watch, some buyers can be very difficult. I know some may argue that what is cheap to one person may not be cheap to someone else, but I'm just relatively speaking, of course.

15 May 2012, 04:25 AM	#11
blassy "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Chris Location: Canada Watch: 116610 LN, 16800 Posts: 863	I live in Canada and buy plenty of US good including watches. My wife buys so many purses that the delivery guy and I are on a first name basis. As a Canadian you KNOW you are going to be charged taxes, brokerage fees upon receipt. If you don't know, you do now. Not your problem at this point....he should have known by doing some pretty simple research.

15 May 2012, 04:36 AM	#12
conrail "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Boston Posts: 3,177	Unless you agreed in advance to cover the import costs, then those are on him, as they are on every buyer 99% of the time. You made an exception for him and even paid the extra shipping costs associated with shipping to Canada. If it is within your return policy, you can offer him a refund. Otherwise __________________ "Oh, you give a f****' aspirin a headache, pal!"

15 May 2012, 04:38 AM	#13
CDNWatchNut "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Juan Location: Sherwood Park, Ab Watch: 114060 Posts: 1,509	That's completely bogus on the buyer's part and regretfully just adds one more reason why people put CONUS only on their listings. (although please remember ...not all of us up here in Canada are like your buyer) Anyone old enough to buy a watch internationally ought to know there is duty to be paid upon importation, and if they don't, then tough luck for them, not the seller. If you offered a refund less all of your costs, that would be generous.

15 May 2012, 05:14 AM	#16
Rolesor "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Brandon Location: Toronto, ON Watch: 116234 Posts: 4,150	Every Canadian knows there is a risk of import tax on an item purchased and shipped from the US. He is basically implying that he wanted you to lie about the value of the contents inside to ensure he paid less duty. If no "arrangements" were made then he knew full well he'd likely have to pay something.. __________________ 116234 - Blue Concentric Dial - Fluted Bezel - Oyster Bracelet Tudor Black Bay 54 - Rubber Strap

15 May 2012, 06:06 AM	#19
Noonan Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: US Watch: 3570.50 Posts: 2,156	I've sent watches and pens to Canada without issue. I've seen threads like this in the past so I always make sure to put "customs/taxes at the risk of the buyer" to cover myself. I would offer a refund, no way would I agree to pay their import taxes.

15 May 2012, 06:14 AM	#20
cornerstore "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 4,010	Import Duty is minimal,it looks like the buyer got hit with Sales Tax,amount of sales tax collected varies by Provence of residence just as it varies by State in USA.You'd pay sales tax if you bought the watch in Country from a dealer ,so it is a cost of purchase.Duties are minimal to non existent on watches coming into Canada and generally not often collected .

15 May 2012, 07:53 AM	#27
rolexgiants "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: new york, usa Posts: 2,903	Lol.. I don't even know u... u didn't want to send outside the states... Then u do... And a problem arises... Do u need a watch forum to completely absolve u from the problem... Ok... It's not ur fault... Lol.

15 May 2012, 08:03 AM	#28
rolexgiants "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: new york, usa Posts: 2,903	And by the way... I happen to think there is blame on both sides... More him than u...

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