RWC Final - Your Predictions?

[Warped]

Well, the big day has arrived.
What are the predictions?
Obviously, I'm supporting the Boks and predict a win.
I'm not as confident as the majority of my countrymen and expect it to be a close match with a margin of less than 5 points.

So, I predict 24-20 to the Boks. What about you?

[Warped]

Here's looking at you.

[T5AUS]

Well Dave, in theory, the Boks should romp it in but I think the poms are gona slow the game right down to their pace and make it very hard for the Boks to run the ball and based on that I think the poms could just pull it off. On the other hand, if the Boks do get a bit of free ball and space, it could be another walk over for them. I say 24-20 to the poms though Good luck, it's going to be some game

[Gaijin]

Poms?

[miner]

Poms by 5 points.

Can't wait for kick off, Jeez 9 hours to go!

[Warped]

Did you hear about the NZ politician who was found dead in an All Black jersey? The police had to dress him up in women's underwear in order to save his family from the embarrassment.

[Gaijin]

WTF is a POM? Anybody? Please? Humor a Yank please.

[Warped]

Originally Posted by KansaiVet

WTF is a POM? Anybody? Please? Humor a Yank please.

From Wikipedia:

Pommy
The term pommy or pommie is commonly used by speakers of Australian English, New Zealand English, South African English and Afrikaans. It is often shortened to pom. The origin of this term is not confirmed and there are several persistent false etymologies, most being backronyms.

The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) strongly supports the theory that pom and pommy originated as contractions of "pomegranate", Australian rhyming slang for immigrant. The OED cites a well-known Australian weekly, The Bulletin, which on 14 November 1912 reported: "The other day a Pummy Grant (assisted immigrant) was handed a bridle and told to catch a horse."

A commonly-heard alternative theory is that POM originated as an acronym for "prisoner of His/Her Majesty" (POHM) or "prisoner of mother England" (POME). As many of Australia's first settlers were British convicts, sentenced to transportation to Australia, this theory holds that upon arrival in the country they would be given a uniform with "POHM" or "POME" emblazoned on the back. There is no evidence that this ever happened. Another version is that it stood for "prisoner of Millbank", Millbank being the quayside in London where prisoners were held prior to transportation. And yet another version why, specifically Australians, call British "POME" - Prisoner Of Mother England. While Australia was being used as a prison, the prisoners called the British "POME" because the prisoners said that the British were captives in England due to the monarch rule, bad weather and class system. This stuck after Australia was no longer used as a prison as most of the prisoners were released in Australia and were free to do what ever they pleased. In New Zealand one meaning is "Prisoners of Mother England", meaning people who while they have moved from Britain to colonies but still refer and compare everything to, and inferior of its equivalent in England; another form is referring to Australian lowly arrivals as "Prisoners of His/Her Majesty" in comparison to New Zealander's superior method of arriving as settlers.

Another theory is that it is rhyming slang for tommy, international slang for a British soldier.

Another suggestion relates to the fact that POM is also used an acronym for "Port of Melbourne". However, the term "pommy" was coined long before the acronym was in common parlance.

Use of the word "pom" remains slightly contentious. Some British people living in Australasia find the term offensive and demeaning, others find it harmless and amusing. Attitudes to the use of the word have varied over the years; in the 1960s, slogans such as "bash a pom a day" were heard on New Zealand radio. The word has become so common that few Australians and New Zealanders see any reason to avoid using it, some even justifying the use of it as a "term of endearment". In December 2006, the Advertising Standards Board of Australia unanimously ruled that the word "pom" was a part of the Australian vernacular, and was largely used in a "playful or affectionate" sense. As a consequence, the board ruled that the word did not constitute a racial slur, and could be freely used in advertising. The Board was responding to a complaint filed by a community group called British People Against Racial Discrimination.

OK, what's a Yank?

[T5AUS]

Originally Posted by KansaiVet

Poms?

Pom = it's a sort of pet name the Ausies call the Brits, some say it's supposed go back to the 19th C. when Australia was a penal colony and all the rogues of Britain where shipped out to serve their time here, got something to do with the initials I think, ie from 'prisoner of mother England'
Not meant to be an insult (as some English think for some reason), merely a nickname for our less-tanned former rulers. Nicknaming everything is very Australian.

oooops, Dave beat me to it

[S2000 Driver]

Originally Posted by Warped

...OK, what's a Yank?

From Wikipedia:

Yankee
The term Yankee (sometimes abbreviated to Yank) has a number of possible meanings, but in almost all contexts, it refers to someone of United States origin or heritage.

Within the United States, its popular meaning has varied over time. Historically, the term usually refers to residents of New England, as used by Mark Twain in A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court. During and after the American Civil War, its popular meaning expanded to include any Northerner or resident of the Union, and included any resident of the Northeast (New England, Mid-Atlantic, and upper Great Lakes states). Over time, however, the term has since reverted to its 18th century geographic indication of New England, except when the speaker is from the South.

Outside the United States, Yank or Yankee is one of the lesser derogatory slang terms for any American, whether from New England or not.

The origins of the term are uncertain. In 1758 British General James Wolfe referred to the New England soldiers under his command as Yankees: "I can afford you two companies of Yankees." The term as used by the British was thick with contempt, as shown by the cartoon from 1775 ridiculing Yankee soldiers.


Loyalist newspaper cartoon from Boston 1776 ridicules "Yankie Doodles" militia who have encircled the city

The "Yankee and Pennamite" war was a series of clashes over land titles in Pennsylvania, 1769, in which "Yankee" meant the Connecticut claimants.

Johnathan Hastings of Cambridge, Massachusetts was attributed around 1713 to regularly using the word as a superlative, generally in the sense of excellent.

The Oxford English Dictionary states that one of the earliest theories on the word derivation is from the Cherokee word "eankke" for coward as applied to the residents of New England. Also, as the Northeastern Native American approximation of the words English and Anglais. It has been rejected by some linguists.

The Oxford English Dictionary suggests the most plausible origin to be that it is derived from the Dutch first names "Jan" and "Kees". "Jan" and "Kees" were and still are common Dutch first names, and also common Dutch given names or nicknames. In many instances both names (Jan-Kees) are also used as a single first name in the Netherlands. "Jan" means "John" and may have been used as a reference to the settlers of New-York (New-Amsterdam at the time) who were Dutch. The word Yankee in this sense would be used as a form of contempt, applied derisively to Dutch settlers in New England and New York. Another speculation suggests the Dutch form was Jan Kaas, "John Cheese", from the prevalence of dairy-farming among the Dutch, but this seems far-fetched. More realistically, Michael Quinion and Patrick Hanks argue the term refers to the Dutch nickname and surname Janke, anglicized to Yanke and "used as a nickname for a Dutch-speaking American in colonial times". By extension, according to their theory, the term grew to include non-Dutch American colonists as well.

One influence on the use of the term throughout the years has been the song Yankee Doodle, which was popular at the time of the American Revolutionary War (1775–1783). Though the British intended to insult the colonials with the song, following the Battle of Concord, it was adopted by Americans as a proud retort and today is the state song of Connecticut.

An early use of the term outside the United States was in the creation of Sam Slick, the "Yankee Clockmaker", in a column in a newspaper in Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada, in 1835. The character was a plain-talking American who served to poke fun at American and Nova Scotian customs of that era, while trying to urge the old-fashioned Canadians to be as clever and hard-working as the Yankees.

The "damned Yankee" usage dates from 1812. During and after the American Civil War (1861–1865) Confederates popularized it as a derogatory term for their Northern enemies.

[T5AUS]

Originally Posted by S2000 Driver

From Wikipedia:

Yankee
The term Yankee (sometimes abbreviated to Yank) has a number of possible meanings, but in almost all contexts, it refers to someone of United States origin or heritage. Within the United States, its popular meaning has varied over time. Historically, the term usually refers to residents of New England, as used by Mark Twain in A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court. During and after the American Civil War, its popular meaning expanded to include any Northerner or resident of the Union, and included any resident of the Northeast (New England, Mid-Atlantic, and upper Great Lakes states). Over time, however, the term has since reverted to its 18th century geographic indication of New England, except when the speaker is from the South. Outside the United States, Yank or Yankee is one of the lesser derogatory slang terms for any American, whether from New England or not.

I spent a good part of my younger years in exploration camps in the wilds of NW Australia with a few Americans who were known as "septic tanks" = Yanks and also a few Canadians who were were known as Kunuks (sp?) and also as "snap frozens" not quite sure what that came from. , but it was all in good fun

[JJ Irani]

The Springboks should win it, but I expect a good thrust from the English forwards!! Looks like a good match coming up in just another hour or so from now!!!

[Warped]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

I expect a good thrust from the English forwards

Only sheep give a good thrust!


Yea-Ha!!

Duck my fog!!



WOW!!!!!!!!

[Warped]

English Rugby Chiefs have announced that they are replacing the red rose on their team shirts with a red tampon as this is the worst period they have ever had!

[Andad]

Originally Posted by KansaiVet

WTF is a POM? Anybody? Please? Humor a Yank please.

Also known as Pommy Bast**d in Australia - a term of endearment and respect.

Eddie (from Scotland - not England. Note: NOT England - NOT ENGLAND).