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AnnaNeMuss · 20 October 2012, 05:15 PM

My Grandfather passed a few years ago, but most of his belongings were kept in the house. However, a few weeks ago, my Grandmother also passed, and we are cleaning out the house, currently. I have come across this watch, and with talks with my parents, they have agreed to let me keep it to sell for college tuition. I'd actually rather keep it, myself. At least until I do know that I need to sell it for debt purposes.

The problem, however, is that I have no idea if it is real, or not. Here are a few things I know about it:

The crown is etched on the glass and incredibly hard to spot, but it is there and seems to be perfect alignment.

The O-Ring is there, inside the wind, which is supposed to be common with a submariner, I am told.

The hologram on the back 'changes', there are 2 alternating rows of Rolex on the it, that appear and disappear when viewed at different angles. There is also the crown in the middle.

The band reads "D12 62523H18", and the links read 5678.

The biggest problem I am having here is, both the serial and the model are completely removed from both sides of the lugs. There are quite a few scratches in the area, which leads me to believe they were scratched off, rather than worn off.

I have been researching the hell out of Rolex' for the past few weeks (a main reason I would like to keep it, rather than get rid of it, at this point), and it seems to be genuine, but without the serial, I have no way to be sure. I even took it to an authorized Rolex dealer, who told me he was certain it was real, but could offer no guarantee, or papers. He called Rolex for me after he checked it out, and they told me it would be $850 to authenticate this particular model, because they have to reseal it to be waterproof. This is incredibly steep considering I am a lowly pleb college student, even with the profit from sale. Which is why I am hoping I can turn to you guys for help.

I found the watch with the box and the original official chronometer tag as seen in my pictures. If it does turn out to be real, I would also happily accept any offers for it. I was thinking about trying eBay, but after seeing all of the horror stories on here, I am really not sure how/where to even start selling it..

I have attached several pictures to this post, hopefully this will be enough, though I am no professional photographer. If you need any more angles/better pictures, please let me know, and thank you in advance!

Sorry for the long post, and if you need any more information, don't hesitate to ask.

tudorman8276 · 21 October 2012, 04:06 AM

...sorry, but it is NOT what it appears to be.

T-Rip · 21 October 2012, 04:08 AM

Fake as fake can be...

T-Rip · 21 October 2012, 04:09 AM

Even the box is fake

Goiguidoc · 21 October 2012, 06:09 AM

Welcome to the forum.
The watch is fake, no doubts.
Sorry.

bimmerboy · 21 October 2012, 06:20 AM

Folex

Silvio Mosiello · 21 October 2012, 06:30 AM

No bueno

mrbill2mrbill2 · 21 October 2012, 07:37 AM

No doubt a Fake!

perpetualman88 · 21 October 2012, 07:41 AM

its fake

crowncollection · 21 October 2012, 08:30 AM

100% fake

rolexgolfer · 21 October 2012, 08:55 AM

Can you guys describe what shows that the watch is fake? I know the box is fake but that is all I can really tell.

bgriz · 21 October 2012, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolexgolfer

Can you guys describe what shows that the watch is fake?

We don't do that here, sorry.

AnnaNeMuss · 21 October 2012, 11:56 AM

Thank you for the welcome and responses. I am sad to see that it is a fake, especially with such overwhelming response. I've been lurking the past couple weeks and you usually at least see some sort of 'Hmm' reaction.

Since it is a fake, would it be very unwise of me to wear it? I realize that it probably has no actual value, but it still has some sentimental value from my Grandfather.

Thanks again.

train-time · 21 October 2012, 12:38 PM

Fakeroo

Watchmutt · 21 October 2012, 03:02 PM

Too bad.

bayerische · 21 October 2012, 06:55 PM

It's a 10 dollar Chinatown fake!

Nice story.

Robatmass · 21 October 2012, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bayerische

It's a 10 dollar Chinatown fake!

Nice story.

Yep... I have to wipe a tear from my eye...

Brisman · 21 October 2012, 07:59 PM

Tester?

caryyee · 21 October 2012, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnnaNeMuss

Since it is a fake, would it be very unwise of me to wear it? I realize that it probably has no actual value, but it still has some sentimental value from my Grandfather.

Even though it's fake, there is no reason why you shouldn't wear it. It was your grandfathers so it has value to you.

learningtofly · 21 October 2012, 08:05 PM

Shame - not even a particularly good story....errr, I mean fake either.

Tony1 · 21 October 2012, 08:17 PM

Ugly fake indeed

TSW · 21 October 2012, 08:35 PM

Ouch thats bad.

Knappo 1307 · 22 October 2012, 12:17 AM

The ole pass down story, love it....If it really was your grandfathers, wear it. But if this story is

, Hand it out at Halloween....

Robatmass · 22 October 2012, 01:55 AM

Seems an attempt to test out the story and watch here, before trying to sell on ebay...

rr-nyc · 22 October 2012, 01:57 AM

It's fake- perhaps more so than your story...if that's even possible

jatco · 22 October 2012, 04:12 AM

...Just curious.. Does it run? ..and if so, does the 2nd hand sweep..or tick away..?

AnnaNeMuss · 22 October 2012, 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jatco

...Just curious.. Does it run? ..and if so, does the 2nd hand sweep..or tick away..?

I am certainly no purveyor of Rolex, but as far as I can tell, it does sweep. As mentioned before, I took it to a Rolex AD, who told me he had been working at that particular store for 13 years. (Am I allowed to name stores and names here? I would have mentioned where, earlier, but I'm not trying to push my luck, as I am already branded a liar here.) He was very certain it was real, and even called Rolex for me about sending it in, pricing, etc.

The watch seems to run in fine order. From what I've read, the 'click' from the wind lines up, the bezel only turns one way, and the coronet on the glass has no imperfections. However, it does seem that there is an overwhelming opinion that it is fake, even though nobody has PM'd me with why, presumably because it is against the rules here. The band is quite worn down and scratched as well. I assume that this watch was bought somewhere in the range of 15-20 years ago.

cecilia · 22 October 2012, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnnaNeMuss

Thank you for the welcome and responses. I am sad to see that it is a fake, especially with such overwhelming response. I've been lurking the past couple weeks and you usually at least see some sort of 'Hmm' reaction.

Since it is a fake, would it be very unwise of me to wear it? I realize that it probably has no actual value, but it still has some sentimental value from my Grandfather.

Thanks again.

Very unwise...It belongs in the bin. I would never put it on my wrist. Sentimental value, bah. Imo.

MoBe · 22 October 2012, 06:02 AM

The longer this story goes the more questionable it becomes,as for the watch,there`s no doubt!

dysondiver · 22 October 2012, 06:10 AM

watch isnt real ,,, story may be ,,, but the dealer couldnt be.
so , wear it for what it is , and enjoy.

20 October 2012, 05:15 PM	#1
AnnaNeMuss Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Northeast US Posts: 4	Inherited a submariner, is it real? My Grandfather passed a few years ago, but most of his belongings were kept in the house. However, a few weeks ago, my Grandmother also passed, and we are cleaning out the house, currently. I have come across this watch, and with talks with my parents, they have agreed to let me keep it to sell for college tuition. I'd actually rather keep it, myself. At least until I do know that I need to sell it for debt purposes. The problem, however, is that I have no idea if it is real, or not. Here are a few things I know about it: The crown is etched on the glass and incredibly hard to spot, but it is there and seems to be perfect alignment. The O-Ring is there, inside the wind, which is supposed to be common with a submariner, I am told. The hologram on the back 'changes', there are 2 alternating rows of Rolex on the it, that appear and disappear when viewed at different angles. There is also the crown in the middle. The band reads "D12 62523H18", and the links read 5678. The biggest problem I am having here is, both the serial and the model are completely removed from both sides of the lugs. There are quite a few scratches in the area, which leads me to believe they were scratched off, rather than worn off. I have been researching the hell out of Rolex' for the past few weeks (a main reason I would like to keep it, rather than get rid of it, at this point), and it seems to be genuine, but without the serial, I have no way to be sure. I even took it to an authorized Rolex dealer, who told me he was certain it was real, but could offer no guarantee, or papers. He called Rolex for me after he checked it out, and they told me it would be $850 to authenticate this particular model, because they have to reseal it to be waterproof. This is incredibly steep considering I am a lowly pleb college student, even with the profit from sale. Which is why I am hoping I can turn to you guys for help. I found the watch with the box and the original official chronometer tag as seen in my pictures. If it does turn out to be real, I would also happily accept any offers for it. I was thinking about trying eBay, but after seeing all of the horror stories on here, I am really not sure how/where to even start selling it.. I have attached several pictures to this post, hopefully this will be enough, though I am no professional photographer. If you need any more angles/better pictures, please let me know, and thank you in advance! Sorry for the long post, and if you need any more information, don't hesitate to ask. Attached Images

21 October 2012, 04:06 AM	#2
tudorman8276 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: STAN Location: KY-USA Watch: Rolex Prez Posts: 12,583	...tis a FUGAZZI...FAULKER...COUNTERFEIT... ...sorry, but it is NOT what it appears to be.

21 October 2012, 04:08 AM	#3
T-Rip "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Tom Location: Victorville CA Watch: Rolex DSSD 116660 Posts: 3,189	Fake as fake can be... __________________ T-Rip Formally known as Haydendillon Rolex: DSSD 116660, 16622 PLATTY

21 October 2012, 04:09 AM	#4
T-Rip "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Tom Location: Victorville CA Watch: Rolex DSSD 116660 Posts: 3,189	Even the box is fake __________________ T-Rip Formally known as Haydendillon Rolex: DSSD 116660, 16622 PLATTY

21 October 2012, 07:37 AM	#8
mrbill2mrbill2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: Mr. Bill Location: South Florida Watch: 16610 Posts: 6,148	No doubt a Fake! __________________ Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of the Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons - ID # 13

21 October 2012, 06:09 AM	#5
Goiguidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: Europe Watch: Rolex vintage Posts: 1,062	Welcome to the forum. The watch is fake, no doubts. Sorry.

21 October 2012, 06:20 AM	#6
bimmerboy Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: toronto Watch: TTsub/ss sea-dwell Posts: 243	Folex

21 October 2012, 06:30 AM	#7
Silvio Mosiello "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Matthew Location: Miami/NY Watch: the shoes. Posts: 3,482	No bueno

21 October 2012, 07:41 AM	#9
perpetualman88 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: David Farkas Location: Los Angeles Watch: 116610, 5712/1A Posts: 8,182	its fake

21 October 2012, 08:30 AM	#10
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,216	100% fake __________________ watches many

21 October 2012, 08:55 AM	#11
rolexgolfer Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: USA Posts: 220	Can you guys describe what shows that the watch is fake? I know the box is fake but that is all I can really tell.

21 October 2012, 11:56 AM	#13
AnnaNeMuss Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Northeast US Posts: 4	Thank you for the welcome and responses. I am sad to see that it is a fake, especially with such overwhelming response. I've been lurking the past couple weeks and you usually at least see some sort of 'Hmm' reaction. Since it is a fake, would it be very unwise of me to wear it? I realize that it probably has no actual value, but it still has some sentimental value from my Grandfather. Thanks again.

21 October 2012, 12:38 PM	#14
train-time 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Plankton Location: US Watch: less Posts: 4,160	Fakeroo

21 October 2012, 03:02 PM	#15
Watchmutt "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Bay Area, CA Watch: 116600 Posts: 724	Too bad.

21 October 2012, 06:55 PM	#16
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	It's a 10 dollar Chinatown fake! Nice story. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

21 October 2012, 07:59 PM	#18
Brisman "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Donald Location: Australia Posts: 973	Tester?

21 October 2012, 08:05 PM	#20
learningtofly 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Real Name: Tony Location: London, England Watch: Hmmm... Posts: 2,483	Shame - not even a particularly good story....errr, I mean fake either. __________________ Tony

21 October 2012, 08:17 PM	#21
Tony1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Real Name: Alex Location: Bucharest Watch: me Posts: 889	Ugly fake indeed

21 October 2012, 08:35 PM	#22
TSW "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: TSW Location: Le Brassus Watch: Rolex & AP's Posts: 27,449	Ouch thats bad. __________________ AP Owners Club IG @swiss.watch.connection

22 October 2012, 12:17 AM	#23
Knappo 1307 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Jason Location: USA Watch: Sea Dweller Posts: 8,561	The ole pass down story, love it....If it really was your grandfathers, wear it. But if this story is, Hand it out at Halloween....

22 October 2012, 01:55 AM	#24
Robatmass Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Real Name: Robert Location: Oulu, Finland Watch: Panerai 183 Posts: 22	Seems an attempt to test out the story and watch here, before trying to sell on ebay...

22 October 2012, 01:57 AM	#25
rr-nyc Liar & Ratbag Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Renato Location: NYC / Miami Beach Watch: Rolex Daytona Posts: 5,344	It's fake- perhaps more so than your story...if that's even possible

22 October 2012, 04:12 AM	#26
jatco 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Thomas Location: YVR Watch: 116233/79190 Posts: 50,524	...Just curious.. Does it run? ..and if so, does the 2nd hand sweep..or tick away..? __________________ . ..- ' A Crown for every achievement '

22 October 2012, 06:02 AM	#29
MoBe "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 6,773	The longer this story goes the more questionable it becomes,as for the watch,there`s no doubt!

22 October 2012, 06:10 AM	#30
dysondiver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: tom Location: northern ireland Watch: my fins Posts: 10,063	watch isnt real ,,, story may be ,,, but the dealer couldnt be. so , wear it for what it is , and enjoy.

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