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JorgeB · 11 November 2012, 03:21 PM

Hello guys, I bought a brand new PAM 312 O series 3 months ago and I've been enjoying it a lot, however not as much as I would like to, i love how it looks when it is not on my wrist, the curves of the 1950 case and everything, but when I wear it a find it a little top heavy, thick and clunky.

Lately i've been playing around with the idea of flipping it for a SubC no date (114060). My philosophy is that every WIS should have at least one rolex in their collection and not necessarily a Panerai, or maybe a PAM but i could get it some other day in the future. Can any of you guys talk me out of this? Have you ever thought of trading a PAM for a SubC or vicecersa?

Thanks for your help guys!

p_mcgee · 11 November 2012, 10:40 PM

Pam 312 doesn't fit me either. I'd do it, or maybe get a 233 or 44mm Luminor instead.

Rolex time is money · 11 November 2012, 10:42 PM

If you can get a Rolex... then you just do it :)

zwatch · 11 November 2012, 10:46 PM

Maybe you time is up with the PAM and you want the Rolex. Some people like to try other watches until they find that sings to them and they stick with it. Go for the SUb

AK797 · 11 November 2012, 11:00 PM

Come on, do the right thing.

nauticajoe · 11 November 2012, 11:01 PM

I'd do it.

superdog · 11 November 2012, 11:05 PM

I would.

seadog · 11 November 2012, 11:08 PM

Just do it! I did- pam 312 to expl .42mm. Never looked back.

peter79 · 11 November 2012, 11:14 PM

Imo Rolex quality is better than PAM, so just do it

MYK · 11 November 2012, 11:23 PM

I would do it too.

bgriz · 11 November 2012, 11:58 PM

I did it for the same reasons. No regrets here.

travisb · 12 November 2012, 12:00 AM

I do love Panerai but flipping the 312 for a SubC is a definate yes. Go for it!

JorgeB · 12 November 2012, 12:14 AM

Thanks a lot guys, Aksingh and Peter those pictures are absolutely stunning.

With your help now I'm totally convinced that I'm gonna do it I tried the SubC again at the AD and it just looked perfect on my wrist. I'm gonna put the pam for sale and I'll upload pictures of the Sub when I get it!

kilyung · 12 November 2012, 01:01 AM

312 is a great reference (although I found it too top heavy as well) but everyone should have a Sub in their collection at least once.

Sam Philip · 12 November 2012, 01:31 AM

Go for it

Cru Jones · 12 November 2012, 01:36 AM

312 is a great watch for those it fits. it didn't fit on my wrist height or bulk-wise, so, i went in another 44mm direction (not a 1950s case). agree that flipping a 312 for a subC makes sense, as does flipping it for a 233 or another non-1950s case panerai. i really enjoy having the option of bracelet on the sub and straps on the PAM, and couldn't imagine being without one of them.

nick c · 12 November 2012, 01:36 AM

Go head

joe100 · 12 November 2012, 01:41 AM

I really dislike Panerai. I really can't stand their gigantic proportions. If they were all around 40mm and they weren't priced as high as they are I'd probably own 3!

Get the Sub. It's a more serious watch.

Brushpup · 12 November 2012, 01:47 AM

Do it, and you will never regret it.

Trouble15 · 12 November 2012, 01:54 AM

Personally I'm not a fan of Pan, so I say def. do it!!

s14roller · 12 November 2012, 01:58 AM

I first added a Sub as a foundation on the collection, then later just added a PAM for fun.

sea-dweller · 12 November 2012, 02:02 AM

I would!

Hound · 12 November 2012, 02:04 AM

I agree that it is too top heavy. Had one and got rid of it myself. Sub c is great but if you love panerai the 372 sits much more comfortably than the 312.

slvrbulletv6 · 12 November 2012, 06:05 AM

Something inside of you is gnawing to get the Sub. Listen to the voice(s) in your head and get it!

JGX · 12 November 2012, 06:14 AM

No contest! Go for the Rolex!!

PHBouche · 12 November 2012, 06:25 AM

Get the sub much better watch over all.

aardvarkbark · 12 November 2012, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JorgeB

... but when I wear it I find it a little top heavy, thick and clunky.

Admitting this universal truth is half the battle. Just what is it that they put in that kool-aid that gets people to convince themselves otherwise, or as in your situation, still debate flipping it even when you do bring yourself to admit it?

Gottahaverolex · 12 November 2012, 11:51 AM

I sold my 312 to get my DSSD, after wearing a 44mm Pam a Sub c felt like a woman's watch on my wrist. I tried it on 5 times before deciding it just won't cut it for me. Totally pleased with my decision although I am buying a 372 shortly. Do whatever makes you happy because there are too many different options here for you to really get any help from members. Some love Pam's some hate them so....

z32turbo · 12 November 2012, 12:47 PM

I would if I were you. SubC is a fantastic watch

Bulldurham08 · 12 November 2012, 12:50 PM

Go for what you want! Both watches are awesome and special, but the SubC is definitely calling your name and it will until you get one on your wrist. If you have the opportunity, take it. Good luck!

11 November 2012, 03:21 PM	#1
JorgeB Banned Join Date: Jun 2012 Real Name: Paula Location: Wyoming USA Watch: El Primero 10th LE Posts: 118	Thinking on trading Pam312 for SubC Hello guys, I bought a brand new PAM 312 O series 3 months ago and I've been enjoying it a lot, however not as much as I would like to, i love how it looks when it is not on my wrist, the curves of the 1950 case and everything, but when I wear it a find it a little top heavy, thick and clunky. Lately i've been playing around with the idea of flipping it for a SubC no date (114060). My philosophy is that every WIS should have at least one rolex in their collection and not necessarily a Panerai, or maybe a PAM but i could get it some other day in the future. Can any of you guys talk me out of this? Have you ever thought of trading a PAM for a SubC or vicecersa? Thanks for your help guys!

11 November 2012, 10:42 PM	#3
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11 November 2012, 11:05 PM	#7
superdog 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: Seth Location: nj Watch: Omega Posts: 24,834	I would. __________________ If happiness is a state of mind, why look anywhere else for it? IG: gsmotorclub IG: thesawcollection (Both mostly just car stuff)

11 November 2012, 11:08 PM	#8
seadog "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Real Name: Peter Location: Perth Posts: 176	Just do it! I did- pam 312 to expl .42mm. Never looked back. __________________ Grand Seiko GMT - SBGJ237

11 November 2012, 11:58 PM	#11
bgriz 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Brian Location: Chicagoland Watch: ing the markets Posts: 2,194	I did it for the same reasons. No regrets here. __________________ 126600 SD43 Red 126710BLRO GMT II PEPSI 178274 Midsize DJ Rhodium/Roman- Hers 126334 DJ41 in blue, fluted, on jubilee 116509 Daytona WG Panda 114060 Sub no date 126621 YM Chocolate dial Root Beer 126710BLNR Batman 126613LB Bluesy 126711CHNR GMT II Root Beer

11 November 2012, 10:40 PM	#2
p_mcgee "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,150	Pam 312 doesn't fit me either. I'd do it, or maybe get a 233 or 44mm Luminor instead.

11 November 2012, 10:46 PM	#4
zwatch Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Tampa Posts: 19	Maybe you time is up with the PAM and you want the Rolex. Some people like to try other watches until they find that sings to them and they stick with it. Go for the SUb

11 November 2012, 11:00 PM	#5
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,369	Come on, do the right thing.

11 November 2012, 11:01 PM	#6
nauticajoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Joe Location: PA Posts: 14,774	I'd do it.

11 November 2012, 11:14 PM	#9
peter79 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Jakarta Posts: 133	Imo Rolex quality is better than PAM, so just do it

11 November 2012, 11:23 PM	#10
MYK 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Mohammed Location: Kuwait Watch: @kuwaitinglist Posts: 1,622	I would do it too.

12 November 2012, 12:00 AM	#12
travisb 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Travis Location: FL / NYC Watch: Yes.. Posts: 33,493	I do love Panerai but flipping the 312 for a SubC is a definate yes. Go for it!

12 November 2012, 12:14 AM	#13
JorgeB Banned Join Date: Jun 2012 Real Name: Paula Location: Wyoming USA Watch: El Primero 10th LE Posts: 118	Thanks a lot guys, Aksingh and Peter those pictures are absolutely stunning. With your help now I'm totally convinced that I'm gonna do it I tried the SubC again at the AD and it just looked perfect on my wrist. I'm gonna put the pam for sale and I'll upload pictures of the Sub when I get it!

12 November 2012, 01:01 AM	#14
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	312 is a great reference (although I found it too top heavy as well) but everyone should have a Sub in their collection at least once.

12 November 2012, 01:31 AM	#15
Sam Philip Banned Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: UK Posts: 4,345	Go for it

12 November 2012, 01:36 AM	#16
Cru Jones 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Paris, France Posts: 35,300	312 is a great watch for those it fits. it didn't fit on my wrist height or bulk-wise, so, i went in another 44mm direction (not a 1950s case). agree that flipping a 312 for a subC makes sense, as does flipping it for a 233 or another non-1950s case panerai. i really enjoy having the option of bracelet on the sub and straps on the PAM, and couldn't imagine being without one of them.

12 November 2012, 01:36 AM	#17
nick c Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 26,846	Go head

12 November 2012, 01:41 AM	#18
joe100 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Joe Location: New Mexico Watch: Explorer Posts: 12,840	I really dislike Panerai. I really can't stand their gigantic proportions. If they were all around 40mm and they weren't priced as high as they are I'd probably own 3! Get the Sub. It's a more serious watch. __________________ It's Espresso, not Expresso. Coffee is not a train in Italy. -TRF Member 6982-

12 November 2012, 01:47 AM	#19
Brushpup "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: Patrick Location: Texas Watch: what I'm wearing Posts: 5,943	Do it, and you will never regret it. __________________ *TRFs "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Patron-Founding Member* PClub # 10 74,592 The safest place for your watch is on your wrist.

12 November 2012, 01:54 AM	#20
Trouble15 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Real Name: Steve Location: USA Watch: A few Posts: 8,884	Personally I'm not a fan of Pan, so I say def. do it!!

12 November 2012, 01:58 AM	#21
s14roller "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: US Posts: 3,257	I first added a Sub as a foundation on the collection, then later just added a PAM for fun.

12 November 2012, 02:02 AM	#22
sea-dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Dennis Location: Bay Area - 925 Posts: 40,018	I would!

12 November 2012, 02:04 AM	#23
Hound "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Michael Location: Melbourne Posts: 222	I agree that it is too top heavy. Had one and got rid of it myself. Sub c is great but if you love panerai the 372 sits much more comfortably than the 312.

12 November 2012, 06:05 AM	#24
slvrbulletv6 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: "City of Angels" Watch: 116613LN serti Posts: 214	Something inside of you is gnawing to get the Sub. Listen to the voice(s) in your head and get it!

12 November 2012, 06:14 AM	#25
JGX "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Jonathan Location: Wales, UK Posts: 789	No contest! Go for the Rolex!!

12 November 2012, 06:25 AM	#26
PHBouche "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Hollywood Watch: SMP007/GMTIIC/DSSD Posts: 204	Get the sub much better watch over all.

12 November 2012, 11:51 AM	#28
Gottahaverolex "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: Rich Location: Lancaster, PA Watch: Exp II 42mm Polar Posts: 227	I sold my 312 to get my DSSD, after wearing a 44mm Pam a Sub c felt like a woman's watch on my wrist. I tried it on 5 times before deciding it just won't cut it for me. Totally pleased with my decision although I am buying a 372 shortly. Do whatever makes you happy because there are too many different options here for you to really get any help from members. Some love Pam's some hate them so....

12 November 2012, 12:47 PM	#29
z32turbo "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sea Level Watch: Varies Posts: 6,877	I would if I were you. SubC is a fantastic watch __________________ Instagram @z32turbo

12 November 2012, 12:50 PM	#30
Bulldurham08 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Real Name: Kyle Location: PA Watch: 116610LN Posts: 404	Go for what you want! Both watches are awesome and special, but the SubC is definitely calling your name and it will until you get one on your wrist. If you have the opportunity, take it. Good luck! __________________ Rolex Datejust II 116300 (new watch swagger in full effect)

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