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scuba77 · 16 January 2013, 12:55 AM

Hi , have been given some very keen prices on range of watches in Bahamas...even pp aquanaut ..iwc very cheap....what really after is 15300 on white dial and there is ap dealer in town centre....
Is there anything I need to worry about...they all saying it tax free so quote retail and then actual lower price
Thanks

SubKing · 16 January 2013, 01:17 AM

I don't really understand the last part of your message?

all in all Yes it's fine to purchase a watch there. just don't declare it..

T. Ferguson · 16 January 2013, 03:59 AM

I'm not familiar with UK law but here in the US it would be against the law to not declare the watch. So my advice would be to find out what how much the customs fees would be and figure that into the equation.

dddrees · 16 January 2013, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by t. Ferguson

i'm not familiar with uk law but here in the us it would be against the law to not declare the watch. So my advice would be to find out what how much the customs fees would be and figure that into the equation.

x2

onkyo · 16 January 2013, 04:12 AM

US law requires you to declare everything you bought abroad upon re-entry. Having said that, a lot of people don't. If you don't declare the watch and get caught you could get into trouble and pay import duties. It would be hard to explain to customs why you did not declare your new watch and corresponding box and papers from the country you just left. And I don't think its a good idea to discuss ways around the law on TRF. I imagine the law is similar in Uk.

AshAP · 16 January 2013, 06:15 AM

In UK law you need to pay import tax on the UK value of the goods. If you wear the watch back and pretend that you always owned it then fair enough but presumably you'd leave the box and papers in the Bahamas as no customs official who inspected your luggage would believe that you took those on a holiday - so then the resale of the watch is greatly reduced as you won't have the box.

If you bring the watch back and don't declare it and get caught then the watch gets taken by customs and next time you travel you're gonna think that customs officials earn a lot as the wear APs!

I would not even consider this as its nuts. If you need a deal to buy the watch then search the Internet. There are 'deals' where jewellers are selling watches as 'unwanted gifts' at reduced margins that make more sense than this.

My advice would be to buy from a UK jeweller.

T. Ferguson · 16 January 2013, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by onkyo

US law requires you to declare everything you bought abroad upon re-entry. Having said that, a lot of people don't. If you don't declare the watch and get caught you could get into trouble and pay import duties. It would be hard to explain to customs why you did not declare your new watch and corresponding box and papers from the country you just left. And I don't think its a good idea to discuss ways around the law on TRF. I imagine the law is similar in Uk.

I agree, though the import duties (which you would have had to pay anyway if you declared the watch) would be the least of it. You could be hit with hefty penalties/fines, and it is not unheard of to have the watch confiscated.

Bottom line is if you're looking for someone to cosign the idea of not declaring it, I (or onkyo I presume) am not that guy.

BTW, to the OP's other question, it is not unusual to be quoted the list price and receive a discount at the store. This is especially true of advertised prices or prices quoted over the phone. I'm pretty sure Rolex (and others) do not allow their dealers to quote or advertise anything other than full retail list.

SubKing · 16 January 2013, 07:25 AM

I don't know why everyone is acting so by the book here... no harm in speaking about what some people may or may not do. It is all hear say.

"Some people" will ship the box back home and wear the watch.. it's not that hard to figure out.

just like buying a watch local and the AD ships it out of state so you pay no tax.. Don't ask me why that would be legal and the other way isn't..

so just do what you want.. the choice is yours.. and yes there is always some sort of risk.. but then again, there is risk in everything.. even flying or driving in a car.

To make a long story short, I think when in the Islands, it's a great place to buy a watch, good deals and great selections.

s14roller · 16 January 2013, 08:15 AM

I'd imagine it's easier to buy in your country and pricing would be the same.

I've never found pricing over there to be cheaper than what I could find back home.

scuba77 · 16 January 2013, 08:56 AM

Thanks guys ,I was only window shopping at hotel shops and think sales guy clocked I was wearing my bumble bee and just started giving me all these tempting prices. Only really come to chill and relax but just thought I'd ask...def don't want hassle back at lhr as even buy and wear watch I still need bring box and paperwork back and have my bb on me and wife has her rose gold rolex too so clearly drawing too much attention

onkyo · 16 January 2013, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SubKing

I don't know why everyone is acting so by the book here... no harm in speaking about what some people may or may not do. It is all hear say.

"Some people" will ship the box back home and wear the watch.. it's not that hard to figure out.

just like buying a watch local and the AD ships it out of state so you pay no tax.. Don't ask me why that would be legal and the other way isn't..

so just do what you want.. the choice is yours.. and yes there is always some sort of risk.. but then again, there is risk in everything.. even flying or driving in a car.

To make a long story short, I think when in the Islands, it's a great place to buy a watch, good deals and great selections.

I do have a "friend" who purchased a watch abroad and the box/papers were shipped back to the US designated as a "decorative display box / empty" ...

33JS · 18 January 2013, 10:43 PM

People need to chill out a lilttle!

I travel outside of the EU almost every week and have carried my AP and multiple Rolexes never once having been stopped or had an eye cast at my wristwear. Not declaring a single purchase like a watch is seen as a sport for those who do it once in a blue moon. I carry my watches back and forward all the time.

There are far greater crimes than trying to get a discount on a watch.

SubKing · 19 January 2013, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 33JS

People need to chill out a lilttle!

I travel outside of the EU almost every week and have carried my AP and multiple Rolexes never once having been stopped or had an eye cast at my wristwear. Not declaring a single purchase like a watch is seen as a sport for those who do it once in a blue moon. I carry my watches back and forward all the time.

There are far greater crimes than trying to get a discount on a watch.

+1 well said..

love the part about it being a sport..

T. Ferguson · 19 January 2013, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SubKing

+1 well said..

love the part about it being a sport..

To each his own, of course. Obviously it's not up there with narcotics smuggling. It's just that I see a difference between being willing to do it yourself and advising/encouraging someone else to do so. I'd personally feel lousy about it should someone take my suggestion to not declare it and end up with stiff fines or a confiscated watch. YMMV.

AK797 · 19 January 2013, 05:51 AM

If you wear the watch and post the box home youll be fine. Its not like APs are cheap so if you can save some money here or there rather give it all to that useless twit Osbourne the better.

SubKing · 19 January 2013, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by T. Ferguson

To each his own, of course. Obviously it's not up there with narcotics smuggling. It's just that I see a difference between being willing to do it yourself and advising/encouraging someone else to do so. I'd personally feel lousy about it should someone take my suggestion to not declare it and end up with stiff fines or a confiscated watch. YMMV.

I think you're reading to much into it. No one is forcing anyone to do anything so there is no guilt. Let me ask you something, do you drive with the DMV handbook on your lap and fallow every traffic law to the T? Do you ever tell a white lie? My point is, speaking about this doesn't hurt anyone. Answering a simple question...

You honestly think everyone declares what they have to the penny when they travel,? Not in this world pal..

The people who get caught obviously have no idea what their doing and trying to really fool the system and that's when you get nailed with fines..

Mail the box back, have the store email you the receipt and wear the watch back. They can't take something from you or charge you for something that they can't prove if you bought it out of the US or not. I think customs cares about more important things at the end if the day like drug trafficking or arms smuggling

There are story's of people getting their watches confiscated that they owned for some time so anything is possible if the customs person wants to be a jerk. Point being, When traveling to certain locations, if the deal is good and the selection is nice, that's the best time to buy. Love buying a watch on vacay

T. Ferguson · 19 January 2013, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SubKing

I think you're reading to much into it. No one is forcing anyone to do anything so there is no guilt. Let me ask you something, do you drive with the DMV handbook on your lap and fallow every traffic law to the T? Do you ever tell a white lie? My point is, speaking about this doesn't hurt anyone. Answering a simple question...

You honestly think everyone declares what they have to the penny when they travel,? Not in this world pal.. .

With all due respect, perhaps you are the one reading too much into it. The ONLY point I was making was that I would feel bad if I advised someone not to declare the watch and it cost them. Apparently it wouldn't bother you one bit. Fair enough.

AshAP · 19 January 2013, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by T. Ferguson

With all due respect, perhaps you are the one reading too much into it. The ONLY point I was making was that I would feel bad if I advised someone not to declare the watch and it cost them. Apparently it wouldn't bother you one bit. Fair enough.

SubKing · 19 January 2013, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by T. Ferguson

With all due respect, perhaps you are the one reading too much into it. The ONLY point I was making was that I would feel bad if I advised someone not to declare the watch and it cost them. Apparently it wouldn't bother you one bit. Fair enough.

: how do you know what does or doesn't bother me? you bother me.

T. Ferguson · 19 January 2013, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SubKing

:how do you know what does or doesn't bother me?...

Didn't say I did know. I said apparently it didn't. But since you asked, this is why I said that:

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Originally Posted by SubKing

No one is forcing anyone to do anything so there is no guilt.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SubKing

you bother me.

Certainly wasn't my intention but hey, it happens. Since we're now officially off topic and I don't wish to bother you further, I'm done with it. Have a great weekend!

SubKing · 19 January 2013, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by T. Ferguson

Didn't say I did know. I said apparently it didn't. But since you asked, this is why I said that:

Certainly wasn't my intention but hey, it happens. Since we're now officially off topic and I don't wish to bother you further, I'm done with it. Have a great weekend!

that doesn't mean if something bad happened to someone my heart would not go out for them.. there is a difference between feeling for someone and then feeling personal guilt.. it seems clear you cannot differentiate between the two. in the future, speak for yourself and not for others. i will now go back to enjoying the start of my weekend.

AshAP · 19 January 2013, 07:25 PM

I thought that sites like this existed so that people could give opinions and views. I'm relatively new to the site but it seems that some people here are a little too eager to take offence at comments that others make with the best intentions. To me it all seems rather childish and unnecessary.

SubKing · 20 January 2013, 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AshAP

I thought that sites like this existed so that people could give opinions and views. I'm relatively new to the site but it seems that some people here are a little too eager to take offence at comments that others make with the best intentions. To me it all seems rather childish and unnecessary.

when someone speaks on my behalf telling me how I would or would not feel in certain situations, it's a problem.

If you don't see a problem with that then maybe you should find I new forum. i have been here for years and i can tell you thats not how this site operates.

comments like yours above, attacking me is what's childish... I actually care about this place and spend more time reading and enjoying what others have to say then actually posting.

everything always goes well here until someone makes their post personal towards someone else.. like your post above for example. This is just another case of typical forum drama.

At the end of the day, i would care if someone had their watch taken from them by customs. However unlikely that may be to happen, I still purchase watches all the time when on holiday. Like others have said here, it’s not a big deal to wear your watch home or ship your watch home, either way you have choices.

ticketmaster123 · 20 January 2013, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SubKing

how do you know what does or doesn't bother me? you bother me.

If it bothered you in your first post you should have explained the risk involved to the OP.

You didn't. You blindly told him to not declare it.

No one is saying 'how you would or would not feel in certain situations'.

You really are getting your knickers in a twist over absolutely nothing.

Chill everyone.

robisan · 20 January 2013, 01:09 AM

You need to check the customs laws in your country.

SubKing · 20 January 2013, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ticketmaster123

If it bothered you in your first post you should have explained the risk involved to the OP.

You didn't. You blindly told him to not declare it.

No one is saying 'how you would or would not feel in certain situations'.

You really are getting your knickers in a twist over absolutely nothing.

Chill everyone.

i assumed the OP would know what to do and the risks, didn't really feel i had to go into great detail in my first post.

scuba77 · 20 January 2013, 04:48 AM

Hey all , didn't want to turn this into heated debate.
I am back in miami now and didn't bother looking in the end.
Will look into getting 15300 once finally get back to the uk.
I will say that bumble bee on diver strap has been the perfect watch for this holiday given the hot weather

AK797 · 20 January 2013, 04:56 AM

For the internet this really isnt that heated, lol!

16 January 2013, 12:55 AM	#1
scuba77 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: UK Posts: 334	Is worth getting watch from the bahamas Hi , have been given some very keen prices on range of watches in Bahamas...even pp aquanaut ..iwc very cheap....what really after is 15300 on white dial and there is ap dealer in town centre.... Is there anything I need to worry about...they all saying it tax free so quote retail and then actual lower price Thanks

16 January 2013, 03:59 AM	#3
T. Ferguson "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Left Coast Posts: 7,025	I'm not familiar with UK law but here in the US it would be against the law to not declare the watch. So my advice would be to find out what how much the customs fees would be and figure that into the equation. __________________ *Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.*

16 January 2013, 01:17 AM	#2
SubKing "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: USA Watch: where do i start?? Posts: 3,254	I don't really understand the last part of your message? all in all Yes it's fine to purchase a watch there. just don't declare it..

16 January 2013, 04:12 AM	#5
onkyo Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Pav Location: Manhattan Posts: 11,495	US law requires you to declare everything you bought abroad upon re-entry. Having said that, a lot of people don't. If you don't declare the watch and get caught you could get into trouble and pay import duties. It would be hard to explain to customs why you did not declare your new watch and corresponding box and papers from the country you just left. And I don't think its a good idea to discuss ways around the law on TRF. I imagine the law is similar in Uk.

16 January 2013, 06:15 AM	#6
AshAP "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Ash Location: UK Watch: AP Royal Oak Posts: 4,544	In UK law you need to pay import tax on the UK value of the goods. If you wear the watch back and pretend that you always owned it then fair enough but presumably you'd leave the box and papers in the Bahamas as no customs official who inspected your luggage would believe that you took those on a holiday - so then the resale of the watch is greatly reduced as you won't have the box. If you bring the watch back and don't declare it and get caught then the watch gets taken by customs and next time you travel you're gonna think that customs officials earn a lot as the wear APs! I would not even consider this as its nuts. If you need a deal to buy the watch then search the Internet. There are 'deals' where jewellers are selling watches as 'unwanted gifts' at reduced margins that make more sense than this. My advice would be to buy from a UK jeweller.

16 January 2013, 07:25 AM	#8
SubKing "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: USA Watch: where do i start?? Posts: 3,254	I don't know why everyone is acting so by the book here... no harm in speaking about what some people may or may not do. It is all hear say. "Some people" will ship the box back home and wear the watch.. it's not that hard to figure out. just like buying a watch local and the AD ships it out of state so you pay no tax.. Don't ask me why that would be legal and the other way isn't.. so just do what you want.. the choice is yours.. and yes there is always some sort of risk.. but then again, there is risk in everything.. even flying or driving in a car. To make a long story short, I think when in the Islands, it's a great place to buy a watch, good deals and great selections.

16 January 2013, 08:15 AM	#9
s14roller "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: US Posts: 3,257	I'd imagine it's easier to buy in your country and pricing would be the same. I've never found pricing over there to be cheaper than what I could find back home.

16 January 2013, 08:56 AM	#10
scuba77 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: UK Posts: 334	Thanks guys ,I was only window shopping at hotel shops and think sales guy clocked I was wearing my bumble bee and just started giving me all these tempting prices. Only really come to chill and relax but just thought I'd ask...def don't want hassle back at lhr as even buy and wear watch I still need bring box and paperwork back and have my bb on me and wife has her rose gold rolex too so clearly drawing too much attention

18 January 2013, 10:43 PM	#12
33JS "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: John Location: Scotland Watch: SD 50th Ann Posts: 444	People need to chill out a lilttle! I travel outside of the EU almost every week and have carried my AP and multiple Rolexes never once having been stopped or had an eye cast at my wristwear. Not declaring a single purchase like a watch is seen as a sport for those who do it once in a blue moon. I carry my watches back and forward all the time. There are far greater crimes than trying to get a discount on a watch.

19 January 2013, 05:51 AM	#15
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,369	If you wear the watch and post the box home youll be fine. Its not like APs are cheap so if you can save some money here or there rather give it all to that useless twit Osbourne the better.

19 January 2013, 07:25 PM	#22
AshAP "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Ash Location: UK Watch: AP Royal Oak Posts: 4,544	I thought that sites like this existed so that people could give opinions and views. I'm relatively new to the site but it seems that some people here are a little too eager to take offence at comments that others make with the best intentions. To me it all seems rather childish and unnecessary.

20 January 2013, 01:09 AM	#25
robisan "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: PH Posts: 545	You need to check the customs laws in your country.

20 January 2013, 04:48 AM	#27
scuba77 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: UK Posts: 334	Hey all , didn't want to turn this into heated debate. I am back in miami now and didn't bother looking in the end. Will look into getting 15300 once finally get back to the uk. I will say that bumble bee on diver strap has been the perfect watch for this holiday given the hot weather

20 January 2013, 04:56 AM	#28
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,369	For the internet this really isnt that heated, lol!

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