This is real, it happened today, and I touched it?

[gerard88t]

Whats that mediocre thing to the left?!

[SennaFan]

Nice

[tkhu888]

Sweet!

What were they asking for both pieces?

[gerard88t]

Originally Posted by tkhu888

Sweet!

What were they asking for both pieces?

Price was NFS

[Michael M.]

Is that 1655 NOS??

[gogogojojojo]

Shouldn't it be a 1655 sticker on the caseback, not a 1665(SeaDweller)?

[SUBversive]

Originally Posted by gerard88t

Price was NFS

Nfs. . Wtf?

Lol

[Tudor66]

What does one do with a NOS explorer of the vintage make...?

I would wear it, scratch it up, so it's better off staying in the case...

Thanks for sharing...

[springer]

Originally Posted by gogogojojojo

Shouldn't it be a 1655 sticker on the caseback, not a 1665(SeaDweller)?

You are correct sir! What does that tell you?

[gogogojojojo]

Originally Posted by springer

You are correct sir! What does that tell you?

At the very least the case sticker is not original

[drockadam]

Woah. That 1655 is mint!

[drainaps]

I would not run too fast. Case back sticker is for a 1665 not 1655. I would run and would run fast. One dealer I am a regular with (Hong Kong) showed me a fake 1655 he had got in a (bad) trade. I almost sh*t in my pants. That replica made me almost abandon the hobby altogether.

[gerard88t]

It was at a watch retail store in my local city. nfs is not for sale the man said. It was mint, unworn and I understand it has verification papers from Rolex, asI was told. The man also had a blue dial two tone sub with boxes etc. and he was interested to trade it toward my 16523.
Would thisnbe a good trade for me? I really like the tt blue sub!

[Andad]

Originally Posted by springer

You are correct sir! What does that tell you?

Ummmm....Rolex put the wrong sticker on it John?

[gerard88t]

Nevermind my silly question if a 16613 for my 16523 is good trade. I saw the price asked recently here for the blue tt sub, and maybe I can ask him for gis sub and cash?
However regarding that sticker, good catch. I think they just put that sticker on it themselves after rolex verified it. I mean he said he had official papers.
Dont know what more to think. I saw it, gasped and asked if I could make a picture, thinking of you guy and your appreciation for rolex

[springer]

Originally Posted by drainaps

I would not run too fast. Case back sticker is for a 1665 not 1655. I would run and would run fast. One dealer I am a regular with (Hong Kong) showed me a fake 1655 he had got in a (bad) trade. I almost sh*t in my pants. That replica made me almost abandon the hobby altogether.

Trust me, you aren't the only one! There are plenty of these 1655's to go around for everyone.

[subtona]

wow!

[swish77]

The Explorer II might be fine. Those stickers can still be bought separately, and perhaps an over-eager dealer/collector just put the wrong sticker on the back to make a mint watch look NOS. If it's a fake, it's a great one.

[1675-David]

Originally Posted by subtona

wow!

what he said!!

[ROyster]

Is it just me or does the case seem a bit too big vs the bracelet. Wrong sticker on the back also has the protective clear strip with red stripe. Since its wrong its obvious they are trying to make it look NOS.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by ROyster

Is it just me or does the case seem a bit too big vs the bracelet. Wrong sticker on the back also has the protective clear strip with red stripe. Since its wrong its obvious they are trying to make it look NOS.

The case does look very fat, especially versus the bracelet, but that could be because it's on a thin rivet bracelet, not the thicker Oyster bracelet, so the proportions are a little skewed. And this watch, unpolished, does have a very chunky feel to it. It could also have to do with the camera angle, lighting, etc ... Still, that sticker's certainly a red flag. Wish we could see the inside.

[FremStar]

Nice try but the 1665 sticker is the giveaway... Good thing it was not for sale...

Bezel also is not period correct...

[Vlad]

Need to see the numbers. As of right now, I would not purchase this watch. But you never know, someone might have put a fake sticker on a real watch. Also, don't forget that it's relatively easy to obtain dial, hands, bezel, movement, and even a case back then stick it into a fake mid case.

[TimeToGo]

You guys have Eagle eyes!

I can make the 1 and last 5, the two in the middle need magnification for me...

[drainaps]

Originally Posted by swish77

Still, that sticker's certainly a red flag. Wish we could see the inside.

The inside will not help. That's the bad thing about Rolex, collector-grade 1655 and humble 1675s share the same movements/parts. It's still very good business to put a real Rolex calibre into a fake case /dial/hands combo for a unique piece such as a mint 1655.

Non-Rolex innards are obvious disqualifiers, but an original Rolex calibre is not an automatic qualifier anymore in the world of high-end replicas.

I will ask my dealer friend to let me take pics of that tainted 1655 he got, and it does not have a 1665 sticker to help with the authentication (or lack of.....). Promise you will be scared.

I'm not an expert, but I'm Asia -based, for what I'm saying next: Tainted DRSDs, 1655s and Red Subs are entering the market fast. Origin HK. These days, I would not buy a DRSD from any other than the original owner. Or I'd rather buy an over-polished 1680 with blackish lume plots than a "never polished", "mint condition" one. It's that bad.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by drainaps

The inside will not help. That's the bad thing about Rolex, collector-grade 1655 and humble 1675s share the same movements/parts. It's still very good business to put a real Rolex calibre into a fake case /dial/hands combo for a unique piece such as a mint 1655.

Non-Rolex innards are obvious disqualifiers, but an original Rolex calibre is not an automatic qualifier anymore in the world of high-end replicas.

I will ask my dealer friend to let me take pics of that tainted 1655 he got, and it does not have a 1665 sticker to help with the authentication (or lack of.....). Promise you will be scared.

I'm not an expert, but I'm Asia -based, for what I'm saying next: Tainted DRSDs, 1655s and Red Subs are entering the market fast. Origin HK. These days, I would not buy a DRSD from any other than the original owner. Or I'd rather buy an over-polished 1680 with blackish lume plots than a "never polished", "mint condition" one. It's that bad.

Very depressing. I would still buy a high-end vintage piece, as long as I knew the dealer had impeccable references. I don't want counterfeiters to ruin the hobby. Still, that's a scary assessment and certainly should make us all more diligent.

[Kingair]

Originally Posted by FremStar

Nice try but the 1665 sticker is the giveaway... Good thing it was not for sale...

Bezel also is not period correct...

x 2 . . .

Amazing what people try to get $$$$ out of your pocket . . . and probably in the euphoria . . . he gotcha . . . . :-(

HAGS

[crowncollection]

i would be highly suspicious of such as watch, the photos show a few problems eg. bezel but much deeper examination is required to authenticate these.

[964RS]

The dial is wrong for the hands and the bezel and I don't like the case or the dial or the bracelet or....

Maybe that's why it's "NFS"!!!

I see more fake 1655 and Tudor Monte Carlo's than anything else these days sadly....

[TSW]

Run Forest run!!