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Old 30 March 2013, 04:57 AM   #1
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Red sub or 5512?

What would you guys pick? A vintage red sub or a 5512? i can't decide... :(
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Old 30 March 2013, 04:58 AM   #2
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Lets see some pics...then i'll tell you what I would get
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Old 30 March 2013, 05:20 AM   #3
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I just went through a similar evaluation - 5513 or 1680 and ended up taking the best example of what I could find. I am so glad I did. In my case, It is WAY better having a pristine example of a 1680 vs a routine example of the 5513.
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Old 30 March 2013, 05:33 AM   #4
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With condition being equal, I would absolutely get the Red sub.
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Old 30 March 2013, 06:16 AM   #5
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I went for a Red Sub
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Old 30 March 2013, 06:19 AM   #6
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If the 5512 is a great example of a gilt dial

then I would go for the 5512 :-) that said find the best example of whatever you would love to wear and go for it.
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Old 30 March 2013, 06:19 AM   #7
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as much as i love the Red Sub...If the condition were equal, as stated above, I would personally go with the 5512. Get what YOU like...period.
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Old 30 March 2013, 06:28 AM   #8
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Old 30 March 2013, 06:46 AM   #9
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I went red - there was no question for me...
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Old 30 March 2013, 06:47 AM   #10
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...the one that speaks to your soul
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Old 30 March 2013, 07:25 AM   #11
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That all depends...There are 5512's and then there are 5512's! If you are talking about a 63' Swiss only Underline 4 line gilt vs. a Red Sub then of course no question...5512! If you are talking about a late 5512 matte dial vs. an Mk1 Red Sub well then of course Red Sub.

For me it would be quite hard to beat an early PCG Gilt 4 line 5512 in pristine condition. Happy hunting and remember there are many variances in vintage Rolex and wide gaps between certain references which create major price differences. Also finding superlative early 5512's close to impossible vs. finding later series Red Subs. Regardless of what one does buying from a reputable person and best overall example is paramount to decision. As stated above also--get the one that speaks to you most.
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Old 30 March 2013, 07:32 AM   #12
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That all depends...There are 5512's and then there are 5512's! If you are talking about a 63' Swiss only Underline 4 line gilt vs. a Red Sub then of course no question...5512! If you are talking about a late 5512 matte dial vs. an Mk1 Red Sub well then of course Red Sub.

For me it would be quite hard to beat an early PCG Gilt 4 line 5512 in pristine condition. Happy hunting and remember there are many variances in vintage Rolex and wide gaps between certain references which create major price differences. Also finding superlative early 5512's close to impossible vs. finding later series Red Subs. Regardless of what one does buying from a reputable person and best overall example is paramount to decision. As stated above also--get the one that speaks to you most.
Yeah, I'd pretty much listen to this guy

However, if it wasn't a rare 5512 and condition being equal, then the red.

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Old 30 March 2013, 07:49 AM   #13
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I love red Sub but, I'll go with a 5512 with Gilt dial for sure!
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Old 30 March 2013, 07:59 AM   #14
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With all respect to the Red SUB, a 5512 or 5513 watch like the one in the picture below is more beautiful than a Red Sub (PS- Those watches are not mine but I am looking for more or less a similar one)

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Old 30 March 2013, 08:21 AM   #15
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^^^^^This.

That first pic is absolutely gorgeous. I am partial to gilt dials, so I agree with simplerolex.
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Old 30 March 2013, 08:48 AM   #16
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Great pics,


I humbly submit my Red as an aid to consideration








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Old 30 March 2013, 09:02 AM   #17
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Over time, you will own both

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What would you guys pick? A vintage red sub or a 5512? i can't decide... :(
The question is not which one but which of the two you will end up buying, first. I am sure, over time you will own both of them. Not only two. Probably many others, too.

Sir, you have contracted an incurable disease and sad to say, sorry there is no cure.
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Old 30 March 2013, 09:17 AM   #18
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The question is not which one but which of the two you will end up buying, first. I am sure, over time you will own both of them. Not only two. Probably many others, too.

Sir, you have contracted an incurable disease and sad to say, sorry there is no cure.
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Old 30 March 2013, 09:28 AM   #19
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There are a lot of subs with date that I would like to own (I have 3 currently) but when I get around to getting a no date, 5512 is the only one I lust after.
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Old 30 March 2013, 11:10 AM   #20
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I like your MB!

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I like your MB! It must be the Classic Fin-tail.
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Old 30 March 2013, 11:22 AM   #21
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Tough call.
And in the end, you either have to go with your gut, or resign yourself to the fact that you'll eventually wind up buying both.

For what it's worth: As much as I love my 1680, which is a lot, the simplicity of the no-date Subs (new and old) is just unbeatable. To me, it's the purest expression of the sport Rolex.

Good luck and keep us posted.
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Old 30 March 2013, 11:25 AM   #22
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Tough call. I really love my 5512

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Tough call. Send some pics our way. Rich
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Old 30 March 2013, 11:49 AM   #23
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I think you should go with the 1665. I prefer the rail dial, but anyone of the vintage ones is fine. Double red is awesome too.
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Old 30 March 2013, 12:06 PM   #24
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You will never regret owning a vintage 1665.
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Old 30 March 2013, 05:18 PM   #25
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Both are really nice watches . . . though decision . .

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Old 30 March 2013, 05:46 PM   #26
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I humbly submit my Red as an aid to consideration








Stunning watch!!
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Old 30 March 2013, 11:25 PM   #27
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Guys, thanks for the great advice and pictures. After seeing the picture below I made up my mind: a 5512 it is! I still the think a red Sub is really nice, but you must all know that I own a Sub C. I think a 5512 is more different from a Sub C than a red Sub... Don't you guys agree?



What a beauty!! What can you guys tell me about the model above? And what are the things that are importent when buying a 5512 in terms of value? School me!

Thanks guys
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Old 31 March 2013, 07:47 AM   #28
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Guys, thanks for the great advice and pictures. After seeing the picture below I made up my mind: a 5512 it is! I still the think a red Sub is really nice, but you must all know that I own a Sub C. I think a 5512 is more different from a Sub C than a red Sub... Don't you guys agree?



What a beauty!! What can you guys tell me about the model above? And what are the things that are importent when buying a 5512 in terms of value? School me!

Thanks guys
Here is my two cents ...

I think a 5512 or 5513 are true vintage subs with lot of character and real diving instruments...

Red sub is also vintage but it is more a day to day functional watch with date function

All the above have plexi glass; while SubC with is a modern watch with sapphire crystal and the comparison to the above is apple to orange

As far as 5512 features, most important thing is the watch originality (not only 100% genuine parts but all parts or at a minimum key parts to be original to the watch like dial and case)
Gilt dial with a nice patina matching gilt hand and patina
Unpolished case with pointy crown guard
Twinlock crown
And of course a serviced movement in good condition

You can also get a 5513 with gilt dial it might run you cheaper than 5512 (it is going to be a good value watch and very similar to 5512 especially if you are on a budget)

I hope this helps and best of luck!
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Old 31 March 2013, 03:47 PM   #29
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Old 31 March 2013, 05:27 PM   #30
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It would have to be an amazing 5512 to convince me to turn in my MKI Red...

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