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Joey_V · 1 January 2008, 07:52 AM

Hello everybody! I was turned to this site by another member from a mutual forum (martinloganowners) and I just wanted to stop by and say hello!

I'm looking to get a nice watch in a few months and have always been intrigued by Rolex. I've looked at several other brands such as Breitling, Omega, TAG, Baume, Cartier... but for some reason I always end up gravitating back to a few select Rolexes.

This is for a graduation present to me (from my lovely parents) and I wanted to make the right decision so I'm doing a lot of legwork ahead of time to make sure I make the most informed decision.

Anyway, I was looking at several of the Rolexes:
1. Submariner (w/o date)
2. Sea Dweller
3. GMT-II (classic in black)
4. GMT-IIC (in black, but I have not yet seen this in person)
5. Explorer II (white face)

I ruled out the Pepsi GMT, but I really like that look... though I just don't think it goes well with a suit. Not sure though...

I'm looking for your guys' opinions as to which of the 5 are the most desireable in the Rolex world and why. I've read that the Explorer II isn't as good a seller here in the US as it is in Europe.

Also, would it bode well for me to buy an old-stock GMT II Classic? Or am I better off saving up for the GMT IIC?

Are there new models up in the horizon within the next 2 months that I should watch out for (no pun intended) and how does this affect the value of the prior models?

Thanks,
Joey

pilapandet · 1 January 2008, 07:57 AM

My choice today would be #4.

seantk · 1 January 2008, 08:02 AM

Hello and welcome! They are all nice watches. My opinion is to go to an authorized dealer (AD) and compare the models side by side and see which one you like.

Read the various watch reviews written by the members of this forum.

I always thought that my first Rolex would be a Submariner Date, but after reading reviews on this forum and then going to several AD and comparing some models side by side.... I ended up with a GMT II "c"

Good Luck!

Sean

ratmotortom · 1 January 2008, 08:06 AM

I'd get the Sub, but would surely go with the date. That's just me though. You earned it !! You get what you like. Welcome !

Harley Rider · 1 January 2008, 08:13 AM

My favorite Rolex is the white dial Explorer II. If I buy another Rolex it would probably be the TT blue sub. I like the subs better with the date than without.

So what MLs do you have? I have a pair of the SL3s in my listening room / study.

Joey_V · 1 January 2008, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harley Rider

My favorite Rolex is the white dial Explorer II. If I buy another Rolex it would probably be the TT blue sub. I like the subs better with the date than without.

So what MLs do you have? I have a pair of the SL3s in my listening room / study.

Martin Logan Summits in my dorm-room/apt. Nice to see a fellow Loganite here!

As for my faves so far... I have to say I've ranked the Explorer II a little low on my list and the GMT-IIC up top. However, the price for the GMT-IIC is prohibitive and so the Subs are what's next in line. If I could still find the GMT II in all black, that would be right up there with the black Subs.

If I get the Sub without the date, does it not hold its value as well as the Sub w/ dates?

Harley Rider · 1 January 2008, 08:37 AM

I believe the sub with date does hold its value better. On the other had you might be able to get a good deal on a used sub without date. I like the GMT IIc also. For me the Sea Dweller is just a little big for everyday wear. Also I have heard that the Sea Dweller cost more to repair.

Tombstone · 1 January 2008, 09:04 AM

Welcome
If it were me, I would go with the SD all the way. Good luck and happy shopping to you.
I have had my SD as my daily use Rolex it has been in fire, water, cold weather, and mud.
You can not hurt a SD. The Sub is the most common Rolex around the SD is harder to find.
Buy a Rolex you want and resale should be the last thing on your mind as all Rolex watches
loose money on a resale. A Rolex in my humble view is never an investment, rather a toy for yourself
to love and enjoy.

JBat · 1 January 2008, 09:05 AM

Welcome to the forum. I vote for the GMT IIc because I know it, but the others are terrific as well. You have a fortunate dilemma, because you can't go wrong!!

Good luck!

Bama · 1 January 2008, 09:06 AM

Joey, welcome. I think spending some time here gathering information prior to purchasing is a smart move. You'll be better informed when the time comes. Of course, the decision will be for you to make. It is said here often that you should try them all on and one of them will keep smiling back at you. That's true. You mentioned the GMT II in all black. It is fairly easy to get and change the bezels on the GMT II (just in case the dealer didn't have an all black in stock. Members here have done it frequently which might make it feel like you have two watches instead of one. Dan or someone else other than me can educate you on that better than I can. All of those you mentioned are great. Good luck with your decision.

Joey_V · 1 January 2008, 09:09 AM

Man.. this forum is fast! Replies up the wazoo already!

:)

so now it's black Sub vs black GMTII vs black GMTIIC.... decisions, decisions...

mike · 1 January 2008, 09:11 AM

Well, I would agree that trying them on is the best bet to see which your prefer. Having said that, of the ones you mention the GMT IIc would be my pick.
Depending on when you graduate it might be wise to see what might come out of the Bazel watch fair in April.

vukotab · 1 January 2008, 09:13 AM

Welcome to TRF!As an owner of white dial Explorer II I sincerely recommend that one.Most elegant and sporty choice at the same time.But whatever you buy,be sure that it is Rolex.There`s nothing as good as good ol` crown!
Happy New Year,BTW!

Thai · 1 January 2008, 10:04 AM

Welcome Joey...you know what i recommend...GMT II-c. It is the newest Rolex model with the latest technology. My guess is that over the next few years, all the new models will come with the "changes" seen on GMT II-c. This includes the upcoming redesign of the Sea Dweller. It would suck (a tiny bit) if you bought something now and then later, a new redesign model comes out that is significantly better. My opinion.

Gedanken · 1 January 2008, 10:30 AM

Welcome aboard, Joey!

As an SD owner, I'd say go for the GMT-IIC.

I love my SD, but Rolex has made quite a few very nice changes on the GMT that give it a much more refined feel, especially in terms of the bracelet.

Still, as the other guys have suggested, you'll really need to go try each one out for yourself. We can talk on this forum till the cows come home, but it's not till you've got the watches in hand that you really appreciate the points being made here.

fear · 1 January 2008, 10:40 AM

I agree with Tombstone. SD all the way!

I suppose that some watch brands are like cars: gotta have the latest model. I guess right now if you want trendy get an Omega Planet Ocean. It's in the movies and a newly designed watch (homage to the old 300m). Trendy watches will eventually look outdated.

Rolex will "update" all models eventually. If you want the latest, then wait. But the classic designs are perennial. Just look at Rolex vintage models, they're thriving.

teamroberts · 1 January 2008, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fear

I agree with Tombstone. SD all the way!

I suppose that some watch brands are like cars: gotta have the latest model. I guess right now if you want trendy get an Omega Planet Ocean. It's in the movies and a newly designed watch (homage to the old 300m). Trendy watches will eventually look outdated.

Rolex will "update" all models eventually. If you want the latest, then wait. But the classic designs are perennial. Just look at Rolex vintage models, they're thriving.

I love the sea-dweller that I stole from my husband... so I would say get that one.

Trurolexer · 1 January 2008, 01:57 PM

SUBDATE or GMT II-C. Pick one....or buy both!!!

pilapandet · 1 January 2008, 02:02 PM

Just another thought, Just buy the one that on the second or third on your list. Then, you can buy the one that you like most later.

Joey_V · 1 January 2008, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pilapandet

Just another thought, Just buy the one that on the second or third on your list. Then, you can buy the one that you like most later.

Dunno about that one... because the one I really want is the Yachtmaster in SS/Plat!! LOL!!

JJ Irani · 1 January 2008, 02:33 PM

Welcome to TRF, Joey.

Good luck in your final choice!!

Cheers - JJ

Texsubmariner · 1 January 2008, 03:50 PM

Welcome Joey! I know you from the ML forum (I have Vantage, Theater, Descent in my theater rm.) I recommend you go to an AD, and try on different models, and see what smiles at you. The GMT IIc has all the latest updates from Rolex, and is my favorite. Especially if you travel outside your time zone. The Sub is a classic. The Sea Dweller is more unique, but doesn't hold value as well. Either way, like others said, Rolexes are really not investments. You've done well to consider Rolex. There's nothing like getting a Rolex for a speial occasion.

BTW, have you decided which field you are going into? I am in the same profession.

diamonddatejust · 1 January 2008, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey_V

Hello everybody! I was turned to this site by another member from a mutual forum (martinloganowners) and I just wanted to stop by and say hello!

I'm looking to get a nice watch in a few months and have always been intrigued by Rolex. I've looked at several other brands such as Breitling, Omega, TAG, Baume, Cartier... but for some reason I always end up gravitating back to a few select Rolexes.

This is for a graduation present to me (from my lovely parents) and I wanted to make the right decision so I'm doing a lot of legwork ahead of time to make sure I make the most informed decision.

Anyway, I was looking at several of the Rolexes:
1. Submariner (w/o date)
2. Sea Dweller
3. GMT-II (classic in black)
4. GMT-IIC (in black, but I have not yet seen this in person)
5. Explorer II (white face)

I ruled out the Pepsi GMT, but I really like that look... though I just don't think it goes well with a suit. Not sure though...

I'm looking for your guys' opinions as to which of the 5 are the most desireable in the Rolex world and why. I've read that the Explorer II isn't as good a seller here in the US as it is in Europe.

Also, would it bode well for me to buy an old-stock GMT II Classic? Or am I better off saving up for the GMT IIC?

Are there new models up in the horizon within the next 2 months that I should watch out for (no pun intended) and how does this affect the value of the prior models?

Thanks,
Joey

I HAD THE SAME PROBLEM SO I BOUGHT ALL 3 THAT I LIKED..

clbcpa · 1 January 2008, 05:21 PM

of the 5.. I would have to vote GMT IIC. I believe that the no date sub and other sport models are headed in this direction. As far as sport models.. I have older subs, no date sub, and pepsi and coke GMTs and 3 Daytonas.. but I find myself wearing the GMT IIC more that anything else..

SPACE-DWELLER · 1 January 2008, 08:49 PM

Welcome to TRF!

It is a matter of personal preference what you should choose, but personally I would suggest the SS GMT IIc!

I made review of it recently.

Click here to go to the review!

Maybe it can help you decide.

But whichever Rolex you choose, you won't go wrong.

f16570 · 1 January 2008, 10:54 PM

Get which ever Rollie smiles at you, you will have it for many years.

f

FBender · 1 January 2008, 10:58 PM

Welcome. If you keep reading this forum you will probably end up with the lot in time

DSJ · 2 January 2008, 02:24 AM

The answer, my friend, is easy: try on all the watches you are interested in and get the one that "sings to you!"

Alcan · 2 January 2008, 02:31 AM

Hi Joey, welcome aboard!

Good luck with your choices, be sure to post pix when you decide.

Joey_V · 2 January 2008, 02:58 AM

Thanks all!

I think GMT-IIC is at the top of the heap now....

I was not able to find one at CD Peacock when I was perusing the Rollies... but I have yet to explore the other Rolex AD in my area. I wonder if the GMTIIC command a price premium, and if they do - I'm not up for spending another few hundred/K.

If the GMTIIC is at 5-10% under MSRP, I think it's swing-able.

:)

Otherwise, no-date Sub or black GMTII.

1 January 2008, 07:52 AM	#1
Joey_V "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Joey Location: Dallas, TX Watch: SS Sub 16610 M Posts: 3,824	Hello all! New member here! Hello everybody! I was turned to this site by another member from a mutual forum (martinloganowners) and I just wanted to stop by and say hello! I'm looking to get a nice watch in a few months and have always been intrigued by Rolex. I've looked at several other brands such as Breitling, Omega, TAG, Baume, Cartier... but for some reason I always end up gravitating back to a few select Rolexes. This is for a graduation present to me (from my lovely parents) and I wanted to make the right decision so I'm doing a lot of legwork ahead of time to make sure I make the most informed decision. Anyway, I was looking at several of the Rolexes: 1. Submariner (w/o date) 2. Sea Dweller 3. GMT-II (classic in black) 4. GMT-IIC (in black, but I have not yet seen this in person) 5. Explorer II (white face) I ruled out the Pepsi GMT, but I really like that look... though I just don't think it goes well with a suit. Not sure though... I'm looking for your guys' opinions as to which of the 5 are the most desireable in the Rolex world and why. I've read that the Explorer II isn't as good a seller here in the US as it is in Europe. Also, would it bode well for me to buy an old-stock GMT II Classic? Or am I better off saving up for the GMT IIC? Are there new models up in the horizon within the next 2 months that I should watch out for (no pun intended) and how does this affect the value of the prior models? Thanks, Joey

1 January 2008, 08:02 AM	#3
seantk "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Sean Location: West Florida Posts: 2,671	Hello and welcome! They are all nice watches. My opinion is to go to an authorized dealer (AD) and compare the models side by side and see which one you like. Read the various watch reviews written by the members of this forum. I always thought that my first Rolex would be a Submariner Date, but after reading reviews on this forum and then going to several AD and comparing some models side by side.... I ended up with a GMT II "c" Good Luck! Sean __________________ "Life is frittered away with detail... simplify, simplify!" Henry D. Thoreau

1 January 2008, 10:30 AM	#15
Gedanken "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Sir Location: Melbourne Watch: F-series SD Posts: 8,589	Welcome aboard, Joey! As an SD owner, I'd say go for the GMT-IIC. I love my SD, but Rolex has made quite a few very nice changes on the GMT that give it a much more refined feel, especially in terms of the bracelet. Still, as the other guys have suggested, you'll really need to go try each one out for yourself. We can talk on this forum till the cows come home, but it's not till you've got the watches in hand that you really appreciate the points being made here. __________________ You buy a Casio to make sure you're on time; you wear a Rolex because you don't have to be on time.

1 January 2008, 10:40 AM	#16
fear "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Mililani, Oahu Posts: 1,307	I agree with Tombstone. SD all the way! I suppose that some watch brands are like cars: gotta have the latest model. I guess right now if you want trendy get an Omega Planet Ocean. It's in the movies and a newly designed watch (homage to the old 300m). Trendy watches will eventually look outdated. Rolex will "update" all models eventually. If you want the latest, then wait. But the classic designs are perennial. Just look at Rolex vintage models, they're thriving. Attached Images

1 January 2008, 02:33 PM	#21
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	Welcome to TRF, Joey. Good luck in your final choice!! Cheers - JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

1 January 2008, 07:57 AM	#2
pilapandet "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Alexander Location: Anaheim Hills, CA Watch: GMT Master II SS Posts: 425	My choice today would be #4.

1 January 2008, 08:06 AM	#4
ratmotortom "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Tom Location: Ohio Watch: TT Blue Sub Posts: 447	I'd get the Sub, but would surely go with the date. That's just me though. You earned it !! You get what you like. Welcome !

1 January 2008, 08:13 AM	#5
Harley Rider Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Tom Location: Chicago Watch: Rolex Explorer II Posts: 25	My favorite Rolex is the white dial Explorer II. If I buy another Rolex it would probably be the TT blue sub. I like the subs better with the date than without. So what MLs do you have? I have a pair of the SL3s in my listening room / study.

1 January 2008, 08:37 AM	#7
Harley Rider Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Tom Location: Chicago Watch: Rolex Explorer II Posts: 25	I believe the sub with date does hold its value better. On the other had you might be able to get a good deal on a used sub without date. I like the GMT IIc also. For me the Sea Dweller is just a little big for everyday wear. Also I have heard that the Sea Dweller cost more to repair.

1 January 2008, 09:04 AM	#8
Tombstone "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Richard Location: LV, NV Watch: LV Sub and others Posts: 2,689	Welcome If it were me, I would go with the SD all the way. Good luck and happy shopping to you. I have had my SD as my daily use Rolex it has been in fire, water, cold weather, and mud. You can not hurt a SD. The Sub is the most common Rolex around the SD is harder to find. Buy a Rolex you want and resale should be the last thing on your mind as all Rolex watches loose money on a resale. A Rolex in my humble view is never an investment, rather a toy for yourself to love and enjoy.

1 January 2008, 09:05 AM	#9
JBat "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: John Location: Washington Watch: 16710, 16610, DJ Posts: 7,329	Welcome to the forum. I vote for the GMT IIc because I know it, but the others are terrific as well. You have a fortunate dilemma, because you can't go wrong!! Good luck!

1 January 2008, 09:06 AM	#10
Bama "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: John Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,150	Joey, welcome. I think spending some time here gathering information prior to purchasing is a smart move. You'll be better informed when the time comes. Of course, the decision will be for you to make. It is said here often that you should try them all on and one of them will keep smiling back at you. That's true. You mentioned the GMT II in all black. It is fairly easy to get and change the bezels on the GMT II (just in case the dealer didn't have an all black in stock. Members here have done it frequently which might make it feel like you have two watches instead of one. Dan or someone else other than me can educate you on that better than I can. All of those you mentioned are great. Good luck with your decision.

1 January 2008, 09:09 AM	#11
Joey_V "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Joey Location: Dallas, TX Watch: SS Sub 16610 M Posts: 3,824	Man.. this forum is fast! Replies up the wazoo already! :) so now it's black Sub vs black GMTII vs black GMTIIC.... decisions, decisions...

1 January 2008, 09:11 AM	#12
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	Well, I would agree that trying them on is the best bet to see which your prefer. Having said that, of the ones you mention the GMT IIc would be my pick. Depending on when you graduate it might be wise to see what might come out of the Bazel watch fair in April.

1 January 2008, 09:13 AM	#13
vukotab "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: Vukota Brajovi Location: Belgrade,Serbia Watch: ing movies! Posts: 3,812	Welcome to TRF!As an owner of white dial Explorer II I sincerely recommend that one.Most elegant and sporty choice at the same time.But whatever you buy,be sure that it is Rolex.There`s nothing as good as good ol` crown! Happy New Year,BTW!

1 January 2008, 10:04 AM	#14
Thai Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: TX Watch: Rolex Yacht-Master Posts: 149	Welcome Joey...you know what i recommend...GMT II-c. It is the newest Rolex model with the latest technology. My guess is that over the next few years, all the new models will come with the "changes" seen on GMT II-c. This includes the upcoming redesign of the Sea Dweller. It would suck (a tiny bit) if you bought something now and then later, a new redesign model comes out that is significantly better. My opinion.

1 January 2008, 01:57 PM	#18
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	SUBDATE or GMT II-C. Pick one....or buy both!!!

1 January 2008, 02:02 PM	#19
pilapandet "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Alexander Location: Anaheim Hills, CA Watch: GMT Master II SS Posts: 425	Just another thought, Just buy the one that on the second or third on your list. Then, you can buy the one that you like most later.

1 January 2008, 03:50 PM	#22
Texsubmariner "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Khanh Location: Texas Watch: SSGMTc Posts: 1,227	Welcome Joey! I know you from the ML forum (I have Vantage, Theater, Descent in my theater rm.) I recommend you go to an AD, and try on different models, and see what smiles at you. The GMT IIc has all the latest updates from Rolex, and is my favorite. Especially if you travel outside your time zone. The Sub is a classic. The Sea Dweller is more unique, but doesn't hold value as well. Either way, like others said, Rolexes are really not investments. You've done well to consider Rolex. There's nothing like getting a Rolex for a speial occasion. BTW, have you decided which field you are going into? I am in the same profession.

1 January 2008, 05:21 PM	#24
clbcpa 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: georgia Watch: 5508 Posts: 758	of the 5.. I would have to vote GMT IIC. I believe that the no date sub and other sport models are headed in this direction. As far as sport models.. I have older subs, no date sub, and pepsi and coke GMTs and 3 Daytonas.. but I find myself wearing the GMT IIC more that anything else.. Attached Images

1 January 2008, 08:49 PM	#25
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Welcome to TRF! It is a matter of personal preference what you should choose, but personally I would suggest the SS GMT IIc! I made review of it recently. Click here to go to the review! Maybe it can help you decide. But whichever Rolex you choose, you won't go wrong. __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

1 January 2008, 10:54 PM	#26
f16570 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: F Location: Scotland Watch: Exp II White Face Posts: 4,272	Get which ever Rollie smiles at you, you will have it for many years. f

1 January 2008, 10:58 PM	#27
FBender Member Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Phil Location: Perth Australia Watch: LV Posts: 201	Welcome. If you keep reading this forum you will probably end up with the lot in time

2 January 2008, 02:24 AM	#28
DSJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: David Location: USA Watch: your step! Posts: 7,882	The answer, my friend, is easy: try on all the watches you are interested in and get the one that "sings to you!" __________________ Rolex. The Rolex of watches. 16570 Expy2 Noir, 116710 GMT Master II, 2552.80 SMP

2 January 2008, 02:31 AM	#29
Alcan 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Al Location: Way Up North Watch: your P's & Q's Posts: 10,473	Hi Joey, welcome aboard! Good luck with your choices, be sure to post pix when you decide. __________________ Member #1,315 I don't want to get technical, but according to chemistry alcohol IS a solution!

2 January 2008, 02:58 AM	#30
Joey_V "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Joey Location: Dallas, TX Watch: SS Sub 16610 M Posts: 3,824	Thanks all! I think GMT-IIC is at the top of the heap now.... I was not able to find one at CD Peacock when I was perusing the Rollies... but I have yet to explore the other Rolex AD in my area. I wonder if the GMTIIC command a price premium, and if they do - I'm not up for spending another few hundred/K. If the GMTIIC is at 5-10% under MSRP, I think it's swing-able. :) Otherwise, no-date Sub or black GMTII.

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