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NKflyer · 24 April 2013, 12:05 AM

Just received a 93250 (SS Sub, Solid End Link) bracelet back from Michael Young and I'm pretty disappointed.

The pros: Good communication, work completed faster than estimated, fast shipping back to the USA, they did remove the "stretch" from the bracelet.

The cons: The overall appearance of the "restored" bracelet. Looks very rough and they inexplicably polished the sides of the links such as on the GMT, Exp2, etc.

I don't know… maybe my expectations were set too high but the craftsmanship just looks really rushed and sloppy to me. Perhaps they are a little too busy these days? What say you?

britincali · 24 April 2013, 12:08 AM

What the hell is going on here ???

alubin · 24 April 2013, 12:09 AM

A before picture would be pretty helpful. Sorry you are disappointed!!!

Cru Jones · 24 April 2013, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alubin

A before picture would be pretty helpful. Sorry you are disappointed!!!

x2

i assume you contacted them? what's their take?

Longhorn · 24 April 2013, 12:13 AM

I don't know much about Rolex bracelets, but the polished part of the clasp with the brushed over clip looks bad. And the pin/screw in picture 2 looks like he should have tried to replace it? What did it look like before?

NKflyer · 24 April 2013, 12:30 AM

I wish I could provide some before photos but unfortunately, I mailed the bracelet at a time when I was extremely busy with work and didn't have a chance to snap a few pics.

My issues are:

1. Why are the link sides polished? They aren't polished on a Sub and weren't polished before sending it in.

2. The rivet that holds the fliplock looks extremely sloppy.

3. Three of the four "pins" or whatever they're called that hold the SEL's on are now exposed in a crude manner. To be fair, one of these pins was starting to become visible before I sent the bracelet to MY. I believe this is the one that can be seen near the center in pic #2 that I posted.

4. Scratches left on side of clasp, buffing compound everywhere (I wiped some off before taking pics), etc.

I haven't contacted them yet although I probably will shortly. Wanted to gauge if this is normal first?

STEELINOX · 24 April 2013, 12:31 AM

That's just wrong !

Not spossed to have hi-polish link sides

The only thing that's supposed to hv hi polish - anywhere - is the main clasp...

Not supposed to have link pins exposed

TurboWatch · 24 April 2013, 01:09 AM

Shoddy work

Was the pin exposed before?

Having said that it is uncool of you to post this right here before giving Mike a ping to remedy the situation.

on both counts

cop414 · 24 April 2013, 01:12 AM

I would no be happy with that. Please let us know how you make out, that's very dissapointing.

SWISSAHOLICS · 24 April 2013, 01:12 AM

Oh my...this just does not look right....hope you get this taken care

slm9555 · 24 April 2013, 01:14 AM

My LV sub the side of the links are polished... Seems normal to me unless it was always unpolished on the older subs like yours.

kmleffler · 24 April 2013, 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurboWatch

Shoddy work

Was the pin exposed before?

Having said that it is uncool of you to post this right here before giving Mike a ping to remedy the situation.

on both counts

I don't agree that the post should have waited for Mike to respond. If I send something to be repaired I want it done right the first time.

alexthegreat123 · 24 April 2013, 01:26 AM

Unacceptable to me....but it would have been interesting to see the original condition.

NKflyer · 24 April 2013, 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurboWatch

Shoddy work

Was the pin exposed before?

Having said that it is uncool of you to post this right here before giving Mike a ping to remedy the situation.

on both counts

I don't feel bad about posting the pics here before waiting to hear back from Michael. After all, this is apparently the kind of finished product they send out into the world. I'm not a difficult person to please and didn't expect a brand new bracelet for $120 but this is ridiculous!

Sublover2166 · 24 April 2013, 01:34 AM

That bracelet looks like total junk! How bad of shape was it in before you sent it out? If it was me I would request a refund for the work and use the money towards a new Oyster bracelet.

Engi · 24 April 2013, 01:46 AM

Bad job there, but a before pic could help in comparing ...

Ciao

Engi

alubin · 24 April 2013, 01:58 AM

The links do infact look quite tight but the rest looks pretty bad. After seeing all the amazing work that Michael has done on bracelets for forum members it's hard to look at this and not think that this slipped through the cracks. I am confident however that this will be sorted out considering Michael's reputation.

TheDude · 24 April 2013, 02:03 AM

I know that the SeaDweller has this bracelet with polished sides but not aware of any Subs with that finish. Wondering about the earlier post about the LV.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=289403

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Knappo 1307 · 24 April 2013, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NKflyer

I don't feel bad about posting the pics here before waiting to hear back from Michael. After all, this is apparently the kind of finished product they send out into the world. I'm not a difficult person to please and didn't expect a brand new bracelet for $120 but this is ridiculous!

I think a message to Michael before all the dirty laundry was aired, would have been better. If no help, then a posting like this would be called for....

kamek · 24 April 2013, 02:05 AM

This is what I'm thinking about your polished sides: Since the "stretch" comes from the inner bars wearing down over time, I'm now assuming that the pins are removed or punched out directly though the link and replaced, then the hole is filled and polished out to recreate the smooth surface... or I'm just completely wrong and I'm sorry in advance!

mjclark32 · 24 April 2013, 02:10 AM

Hopefully MY will take care of it

Johny · 24 April 2013, 02:12 AM

are you certain that it is your original bracelet?

richard371 · 24 April 2013, 02:18 AM

I wonder what RSC would cost to restore the bracelet?

Director EDTF · 24 April 2013, 02:25 AM

OM! How bad was it when you sent it in?

slm9555 · 24 April 2013, 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDude

I know that the SeaDweller has this bracelet with polished sides but not aware of any Subs with that finish. Wondering about the earlier post about the LV.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=289403

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Sorry I should have mentioned I have an LV C... seems like the current Sub C's have polished link sides...

mmmk604 · 24 April 2013, 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slm9555

Sorry I should have mentioned I have an LV C... seems like the current Sub C's have polished link sides...

The Glidelock bracelet and the 93250 are from 2 different generations of bracelets, can't be compared

Vincent65 · 24 April 2013, 02:54 AM

PM sent

MonBK · 24 April 2013, 03:07 AM

Looks like crap.

djemmtee · 24 April 2013, 03:24 AM

wow. I cant believe he polished the sides of your bracelet. On a side note, you can rebrush it back but it will take you a couple of hours and some meticulous taping

Casey VP-26 · 24 April 2013, 03:47 AM

I personally don't care what it looked like when you sent it in, It looks terrible now.

24 April 2013, 12:05 AM	#1
NKflyer 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Richard Location: Colorado Posts: 2,858	Just got bracelet back from Michael Young - not thrilled. Just received a 93250 (SS Sub, Solid End Link) bracelet back from Michael Young and I'm pretty disappointed. The pros: Good communication, work completed faster than estimated, fast shipping back to the USA, they did remove the "stretch" from the bracelet. The cons: The overall appearance of the "restored" bracelet. Looks very rough and they inexplicably polished the sides of the links such as on the GMT, Exp2, etc. I don't know… maybe my expectations were set too high but the craftsmanship just looks really rushed and sloppy to me. Perhaps they are a little too busy these days? What say you?

24 April 2013, 12:31 AM	#7
STEELINOX 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Sink-O! Location: a praire in AZ Watch: ROLEX-less atm... Posts: 14,021	That's just wrong ! Not spossed to have hi-polish link sides The only thing that's supposed to hv hi polish - anywhere - is the main clasp... Not supposed to have link pins exposed __________________ *Positive Waves Baby* Lug Hole Loyalist / Chamfer Line Inspector INFORTHE WIN SUB-MAH-REEEN-ER ~ !

24 April 2013, 01:09 AM	#8
TurboWatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NorCal Posts: 1,641	not cool Shoddy work Was the pin exposed before? Having said that it is uncool of you to post this right here before giving Mike a ping to remedy the situation. on both counts

24 April 2013, 01:12 AM	#9
cop414 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Tim Location: Pennsylvania Watch: 14060M Posts: 72,242	I would no be happy with that. Please let us know how you make out, that's very dissapointing. __________________ Rolex Submariner 14060M Omega Seamaster 2254.50 DOXA Professional 1200T Card carrying member of TRF's Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons TRF's "After Dark" Bar & NightClub Patron P Club Member #17 2 FA ENABLED

24 April 2013, 01:12 AM	#10
SWISSAHOLICS "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Here! Watch: Rolex Posts: 4,366	Oh my...this just does not look right....hope you get this taken care __________________ 16610LN \| 16613LB \| 16710 Pepsi \| 118238 \| 116500 (White) \| 116500 (Black) \| 116710BLNR \| 116610LV "The one thing I fear most is time; time waits for no one and leaves no options."

24 April 2013, 12:08 AM	#2
britincali "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: North Wales UK Watch: 16600,16570,6098 Posts: 706	What the hell is going on here ??? __________________ Prick club member # 6 P 16600 M Polar EXP II 1951 Waffle dial 6098 https://www.facebook.com/LlwynFfynnon

24 April 2013, 12:09 AM	#3
alubin "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: USA Watch: All please! Posts: 1,042	A before picture would be pretty helpful. Sorry you are disappointed!!!

24 April 2013, 12:13 AM	#5
Longhorn "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Austin, Texas Watch: HULK SMASH Posts: 584	I don't know much about Rolex bracelets, but the polished part of the clasp with the brushed over clip looks bad. And the pin/screw in picture 2 looks like he should have tried to replace it? What did it look like before?

24 April 2013, 12:30 AM	#6
NKflyer 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Richard Location: Colorado Posts: 2,858	I wish I could provide some before photos but unfortunately, I mailed the bracelet at a time when I was extremely busy with work and didn't have a chance to snap a few pics. My issues are: 1. Why are the link sides polished? They aren't polished on a Sub and weren't polished before sending it in. 2. The rivet that holds the fliplock looks extremely sloppy. 3. Three of the four "pins" or whatever they're called that hold the SEL's on are now exposed in a crude manner. To be fair, one of these pins was starting to become visible before I sent the bracelet to MY. I believe this is the one that can be seen near the center in pic #2 that I posted. 4. Scratches left on side of clasp, buffing compound everywhere (I wiped some off before taking pics), etc. I haven't contacted them yet although I probably will shortly. Wanted to gauge if this is normal first?

24 April 2013, 01:14 AM	#11
slm9555 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: SoCal Posts: 617	My LV sub the side of the links are polished... Seems normal to me unless it was always unpolished on the older subs like yours.

24 April 2013, 01:26 AM	#13
alexthegreat123 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Alex Location: Cincinnati, OH Watch: GMT 16710 w/ 3186 Posts: 8,406	Unacceptable to me....but it would have been interesting to see the original condition. __________________ GMT Master II 16710 w/3186 "M" Coke SeaDweller 16600 "M"

24 April 2013, 01:34 AM	#15
Sublover2166 Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Real Name: John Location: Manassas,Virginia Watch: Ol'Bluesy & Hulk Posts: 2,871	That bracelet looks like total junk! How bad of shape was it in before you sent it out? If it was me I would request a refund for the work and use the money towards a new Oyster bracelet.

24 April 2013, 01:46 AM	#16
Engi "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Everywhere Posts: 1,434	Bad job there, but a before pic could help in comparing ... Ciao Engi

24 April 2013, 01:58 AM	#17
alubin "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: USA Watch: All please! Posts: 1,042	The links do infact look quite tight but the rest looks pretty bad. After seeing all the amazing work that Michael has done on bracelets for forum members it's hard to look at this and not think that this slipped through the cracks. I am confident however that this will be sorted out considering Michael's reputation.

24 April 2013, 02:03 AM	#18
TheDude "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: DC Area, USA Watch: IIc,1680 Red,16660 Posts: 4,492	I know that the SeaDweller has this bracelet with polished sides but not aware of any Subs with that finish. Wondering about the earlier post about the LV. http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=289403 Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

24 April 2013, 02:05 AM	#20
kamek "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Real Name: Brian Location: NYC Posts: 534	This is what I'm thinking about your polished sides: Since the "stretch" comes from the inner bars wearing down over time, I'm now assuming that the pins are removed or punched out directly though the link and replaced, then the hole is filled and polished out to recreate the smooth surface... or I'm just completely wrong and I'm sorry in advance!

24 April 2013, 02:10 AM	#21
mjclark32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: MJC Location: PHL USA Watch: IWC, Rolex, AP Posts: 29,232	Hopefully MY will take care of it __________________

24 April 2013, 02:12 AM	#22
Johny "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: john Location: Scotland Watch: sub 16610Lv Posts: 13,523	are you certain that it is your original bracelet? __________________ "AFTER DARK" BAR AND NIGHT CLUB GM.

24 April 2013, 02:18 AM	#23
richard371 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: sf Watch: 116500LN White Posts: 1,853	I wonder what RSC would cost to restore the bracelet?

24 April 2013, 02:25 AM	#24
Director EDTF 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Nelson Location: Central, NJ Posts: 2,466	OM! How bad was it when you sent it in?

24 April 2013, 02:54 AM	#27
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,298	PM sent

24 April 2013, 03:07 AM	#28
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	Looks like crap.

24 April 2013, 03:24 AM	#29
djemmtee "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2006 Real Name: Mike Location: Tustin Watch: LV Sub Posts: 1,940	wow. I cant believe he polished the sides of your bracelet. On a side note, you can rebrush it back but it will take you a couple of hours and some meticulous taping __________________ 116610 LN 116713 LN Instagram: rolexfan69

24 April 2013, 03:47 AM	#30
Casey VP-26 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: America Posts: 2,721	I personally don't care what it looked like when you sent it in, It looks terrible now.

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