RB2Ti vs SchumiTi cage match - oy one may leave!

[Evil bendy]

I'm curious to see how the TRF weighs in... (Pics from my IG account)

[scooby789]

The RBII.. No comparison in my opinion

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[QueueCumber]

Neither. One is hopelessly outdated, and the other is too new to judge positively yet!

"Everybody has won and all must have prizes."

[QueueCumber]

P.S. I'm just messing with ya....

They are both excellent pieces. You can't go wrong either way IMO. I almost bought both. Too many people around here with RB2s, I wanted something new and different. Ended up with two of them!

[scooby789]

Hopelessly outdated.... !

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[QueueCumber]

Originally Posted by scooby789

Hopelessly outdated.... !

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I didn't bring a measuring stick...

[QueueCumber]

Lighting on the Schumi is bad in those pics, while the lighting on the RB2 is very nice and natural. Should take pics of both in the same setting and lighting for a more balanced comparison.

[craniotes]

RBII, hands down for me.

Regards,
Adam

[benlee]

I prefer the Schumn Ti.

[Jim12345]

Both are amazing, and QueueCumbers great photos of the Schumacher lately made it very hard to decide, but the RB2 edges it for me, mainly because I like more contrast in my sub dials, and I like how you can see part of the movement through the dial, but would be very happy owning either given the opportunity. I wonder if the smaller pushers and crown on the Schumi would make it more comfortable to wear than the RB2.

[diver2012]

Never liked the RB2 and I love the Schumi in all 3 forms.

[edo]

RB2 B.QC. and Schumacher A.QC. if you know what I mean :)

[Lamkyle]

With the date in red, Schumi is a killer to me

[scooby789]

I would definately have bought the Ti Schumi if it didn't have those stars on it !

[QueueCumber]

Originally Posted by scooby789

I would definately have bought the Ti Schumi if it didn't have those stars on it !

They are both beautiful pieces; I don't think anyone is wrong for peferring one over the other. Variety is the spice of life.

[Bigbadbns]

After seeing QC infamous pictures, I'd pick the MS version!

[Submarino]

Sell the RB and get the MS.

[AK797]

Another one who has been seduced by QCs pics, the RG is now my ultimate grail but the Ti would be a good stop gap.

[Evil bendy]

I'll break it down how I see it - and my COI obvious (though the RB2 in my collection is not the jewel of my collection - that's for my pateks - so I feel pretty objective lol)

1) dial - personal choice really - some say they don't like the stars on schumi others will not like the panda on RB2. But I think the cutaway dial and multiple color hands on the RB2 clinch it for me. But personal preference

2) pushers and crown - RB2 wins this one all the way - the bigger crown with the exhaust motif and the black ceramic pushers just give it more presence.

3) strap - RB2 black leather with white stitching wins over the grey rubber - though I suspect the rubber will be more durable

4) bezel - this is not even a debate. SSCHUMI SCHUMI SCHUMI all the way - the cermet is beautiful and what positively makes the watch - now I would expect that given its been years since the Rb2 and they must spend those R and D dollars on something! But the cermet bezel on Schumi is a winner for me

5) intangibles - well were all kinda used to the RB2 and the schumi is new dark and looks sleek and sexy - that's gotta count for something. I get the feeling I might get sick of the schumi - and red is not my favorite and the barrichello is time tested and proven...(both its resilience and versatility and its ability to hold value...). Don't know this one is a toss up. To me the barrichello is like APs Paul newman Daytona - the classic piece. And the schumi is like the sexy new update. Depends on whether you like the old or new....nothing wrong with either...

I have it to RB2 in a photo finish

BUT don't kick my ass QC lol - I said it was super close and the margin of error may well be within the (minimal) bias of myself as a RB2 owner... One thing is for sure the Schumi is on the map....and definitely makes me wonder what the supreme AP ROO really is...

[kilyung]

RB2 for me... I dig the crown.

[nick c]

RB2

[Peppers90]

As I said last night....RB for me :) And I think with your attires the RB is more complimentary. You wear a lot of dark colors and I think the schumi will just blend, where as the RB has a nice pop esp with a leather jacket!

[Evil bendy]

Originally Posted by Peppers90

As I said last night....RB for me :) And I think with your attires the RB is more complimentary. You wear a lot of dark colors and I think the schumi will just blend, where as the RB has a nice pop esp with a leather jacket!

Thanks Shannon!! I completely agree

- I am not in the market for a schumi but when I saw it I thought some photos might be helpful to anyone who's shopping for one!

[h999r]

RB2 for me , love the awesome dial look. But both schumi is nice too.

[QueueCumber]

It is all relative. I think the RB2 Ti is a beautiful ROO, but I think the MS Ti is a beautiful ROO homage to Schumacher and formula racing.

Originally Posted by Evil bendy

I'll break it down how I see it - and my COI obvious (though the RB2 in my collection is not the jewel of my collection - that's for my pateks - so I feel pretty objective lol)

There is nothing objective about a subjective opinion, so I will just offer my subjective opinion on both pieces. IMO, the winner is the owner who chooses the watch he or she likes best; the loser is the owner who buys the watch based on someone else's opinion and not their own desire or love for the piece in question. I chose the watch(es) I desired most. For me those watches were the MS Ti and RG models, and I took a pass on the RB2 models.

Originally Posted by Evil bendy

1) dial - personal choice really - some say they don't like the stars on schumi others will not like the panda on RB2. But I think the cutaway dial and multiple color hands on the RB2 clinch it for me. But personal preference

The cutaway dial is fun on the RB2; it is one of the things I do like of the things you mention. It doesn't remind me of racing though.

Personally, I am not a fan of the multiple color hands; they don't remind me of cars or formula racing at all. I know they represent RB2's flag, but they don't seem related to gauges at all since gauges are usually one or two color schemes and not three different colors. To be fair the MS ti uses two colors, but one is neutral (white) and the other is a color commonly used in car gauges (red). Gauges in general are antiquated in F1 racing though. Formula cars don't even use analog gauges anymore. They are digital! So neither is representative of F1 in that sense. I prefer the red hands, but I understand the reason for using a white hand as the seconds marker (so that it won't conflict with veiwing the red chonograph hand). The Formula cars I've raced at Skip Barber do have gauges though (some of them do at least; the newer ones don't).

The stars (that represent his wins) and dial materials are two of the things I really like on the MS because they remind me of decals on model cars and vinyl on race cars. Likewise, the metallic color of the dial reminds me of engine and exhaust piping materials. The outer portion of the bezel reminds me of checkered flags (as intended) and decals again. The miniature dial bezels, the hour/minute hands, the bezel screws, the markers, and the hands also all have the same high polish metal motif. To me that is elegant design. That level of minute detailing is absent in the RB2 as far as I can tell.

Originally Posted by Evil bendy

2) pushers and crown - RB2 wins this one all the way - the bigger crown with the exhaust motif and the black ceramic pushers just give it more presence.

I don't agree personally. In my opinion the heavy black contrasts on the pushers and the crown are distracting and take focus away from the dial and bezel. They jut out awkwardly and look a little like a fish tail or antennae IMO.

On the MS ti they do not distract from the main body of the watch. The larger mass of the materials are different enough that they support rather than distract the coherence of the piece. The MS only uses contrast on the pushers but decreased their size so they are not overwhelming and distracting. There is also additional intricate detail in the smaller pusher bezel that is cermet. So the pushers themselves match the larger pusher case, while the pusher bezels match the case bezel. A much more elegant and interesting design IMO. The rough titanium finish on the pusher case is different enough from the mass of the case and bezel to not distract from it, while the pusher bezels connect the pushers aesthetically to the main bezel. Likewise, the dash of red on the crown connects the gauge hands and date with this outer area of the watch as well, again without being overwhelmingly distracting. The mixture of cermet and rough titanium also reminds me of chrome detailing and engine metal.

Originally Posted by Evil bendy

3) strap - RB2 black leather with white stitching wins over the grey rubber - though I suspect the rubber will be more durable

Considering that you can buy a different strap, it doesn't have to be much of an issue, but personally the rubber strap reminds me more of racing than a leather strap. I don't think anyone puts leather in a formula car, so it doesn't seem to fit the formula racing motif very well IMO; it is more of a high-end retail car look (leather and stitching) than a formula racing detail (then again, so are analog gauges). I personally wanted a rubber strap; it reminds me more of the racing aesthetic. The actual grain on the watchband reminds me of R slicks for some reason. Additionally, as you mention, it is more durable (and I can jump in a pool while wearing it on vacation...).

Originally Posted by Evil bendy

4) bezel - this is not even a debate. SSCHUMI SCHUMI SCHUMI all the way - the cermet is beautiful and what positively makes the watch - now I would expect that given its been years since the Rb2 and they must spend those R and D dollars on something! But the cermet bezel on Schumi is a winner for me

I love the cermet material. I do think that the color matching between the bezel, the open-worked lattice dial, the pushers, and the crown insets in contrast with the titanium portions of the watch are one strength of the RB2 ti when it is looked at as a gestalt. Most pictures don't show it well, but the MS ti has these strengths as well, and these contrasts change depending on the lighting due to the reflective nature of the cermet. This makes the MS ti a very dynamic piece that can change how it looks based on lighting and movement. Consequently it is impossible to capture in pictures how dynamic the MS ti is because of the materials used.

Originally Posted by Evil bendy

5) intangibles - well were all kinda used to the RB2 and the schumi is new dark and looks sleek and sexy - that's gotta count for something. I get the feeling I might get sick of the schumi - and red is not my favorite and the barrichello is time tested and proven...(both its resilience and versatility and its ability to hold value...). Don't know this one is a toss up. To me the barrichello is like APs Paul newman Daytona - the classic piece. And the schumi is like the sexy new update. Depends on whether you like the old or new....nothing wrong with either...

They are both great pieces. A lot of it comes down to subjective opinions and preferences. If there were only one right answer, we would all be wearing the same watch from the same manufacturer.

Originally Posted by Evil bendy

I have it to RB2 in a photo finish

BUT don't kick my ass QC lol - I said it was super close and the margin of error may well be within the (minimal) bias of myself as a RB2 owner... One thing is for sure the Schumi is on the map....and definitely makes me wonder what the supreme AP ROO really is...

There is no doubt that the RB2 is a popular piece. It has been around a long time, and it has been sold out for a long from retailers. It has had a lot of time to acquire the desire of collectors, and its difficulty of attainment due to price inflation, because of desire and limited availability, further compounds the interest in it as a collector's piece. It is also fairly common for new pieces such as the MS ti to suffer intense scrutiny and to be compared to older pieces that people desire....

Personally, I think they are both great pieces, but I definitely prefer the MS Ti to the RB2 Ti. To me it is a much more well thought out and elegant design. It has more intricate design elements, and is overall more aesthetically cohesive. It seems a lot more representative of what it is honoring to me than the RB2 ti. It also evokes my own memories of making car models, racing electric cars, collecting Matchbox and Hotwheels cars, and other similar collecting-type hobbies, while the RB2 ti does not evoke those memories for me at all. The MS ti is definitely a better executed design aesthetic as far as I am concerned on multiple levels.

The supreme AP ROO is different depending on each person and what they like or don't like, IMO.

For me it is a case of the Dodo bird verdict from Alice in Wonderland: "Everybody has won, and all must have prizes." If you love your watch, you automatically win...

[emagni]

Both are amazing pieces of art. The MS took off where the RBII started but it didn't do enough to distinguished itself. Even though that has more to do with heritage than looks but it is a factor when comparing the two. The RBII wins it be a razor thin hair but that's not to say I don't want the MS. Every collector is different so for me the white ring and the white sub dials makes it a little more legible. Both should be in a collection but for now the RBII will do:

[SaddleSC]

Schumacher for me. I like the red hands:)

[Epwerkz]

I love both lol..when I go out with my lil brothers..always be the dynamic duo lol..he is using MSC ti as well

[Soly20]

Schumi for me.


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[Jorssen]

RB2 for me


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