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speedo · 26 May 2013, 01:48 AM

Hi all,
My father has just bought a beautiful datejust from a very respected second hand dealer. The watch looks spotless but i have one concern. He told me that they checked the numbers on the paperwork (origibally sold in dc) and on the watch but without tools i cannot doublecheck it.
As far as i know 16200 refers to smooth bezel and an engine turned should be 16220.....
Is there any exception? Should we worry? If there is a slight doubt he can return the watch..... I'll post pictures later.
Thanks.

77T · 26 May 2013, 02:05 AM

Agree the 16220 is the one with engine turned bezel, and 16200 is smooth.

Rolex didn't swap bezels around but a prior owner may have.

joe100 · 26 May 2013, 02:13 AM

Yeah the 16220 has the ETB with the tight fluting as opposed to the "13" ETB

speedo · 26 May 2013, 03:20 AM

This is the paperwork

speedo · 26 May 2013, 03:22 AM

And this is the watch

Alpino · 26 May 2013, 03:36 AM

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Following Rolex rules, you can decompose a reference "16200" like that :

162 : DateJust 36mm (140 for AK , 152 for OP, 182 for Daydate , ...)
0 : polished bezel (1 for finely engine-turned , 2 for engine-turned , 3 for fluted , ...)
0 : Stainless steel (3 for TT YG , 4 for TT WG , 8 for YG , 9 for WG ...)

Regarding yours, bezel have been replaced at some point during the life of tis watch.

speedo · 26 May 2013, 04:38 AM

I will definitely doublecheck the serial no but is there a way to find out whether the bezel is original or aftermarket? Is there a way to check what the watch was like when manufactured?

joe100 · 26 May 2013, 05:03 AM

That's what we're saying. If the watch matches the paperwork, then the bezel was added later.

speedo · 26 May 2013, 05:30 AM

By original i mean rolex and not something fake. If it is original than it is fine.

joe100 · 26 May 2013, 07:33 AM

I doubt it's a fake bezel. Looks okay to me.

speedo · 28 May 2013, 01:56 AM

so we double checked it at the official service centre. the watch is legit, the paperwork is fine. they said that the bezel was original as well and probably put on as a special request when the watch was first purchased.
it was a rather good buy i reckon.

Ksersoze · 28 May 2013, 02:08 AM

Hi there, the picture doesn't look like an engine turned bezel. I have an AK with an engine-turned bezel. See pic. Name: ImageUploadedByTapatalk1369670913.320960.jpg
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Ksersoze · 28 May 2013, 05:45 AM

I apologize. I believe that may also be an engine-turned bezel.

speedo · 28 May 2013, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksersoze

I apologize. I believe that may also be an engine-turned bezel.

no worries, i am also learning. i have also just found out that there a few types of engine turned bezels.

crowncollection · 28 May 2013, 06:50 AM

Should be smooth it must be replaced

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Alpino · 28 May 2013, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksersoze

I apologize. I believe that may also be an engine-turned bezel.

"finely engine-turned" vs "engine-turned"

GradyPhilpott · 28 May 2013, 08:00 AM

Very in-ter-esting.

GrayTuxedo · 2 July 2013, 07:39 AM

Thanks for the pic Alpino

GrayTuxedo · 2 July 2013, 07:42 AM

Speedo, I will trade you the original bezel for that watch in exchange for the engine-turned bezel.

26 May 2013, 01:48 AM	#1
speedo "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: bp, hu, eu Watch: dj 16234, 116610ln Posts: 2,376	Is there such thing as a 16200 with an engine turned bezel? Hi all, My father has just bought a beautiful datejust from a very respected second hand dealer. The watch looks spotless but i have one concern. He told me that they checked the numbers on the paperwork (origibally sold in dc) and on the watch but without tools i cannot doublecheck it. As far as i know 16200 refers to smooth bezel and an engine turned should be 16220..... Is there any exception? Should we worry? If there is a slight doubt he can return the watch..... I'll post pictures later. Thanks. __________________ *16234 jubilee dial, 116610 ln, grand seiko sbgm221g, omega speedmaster mark II, longines legend diver, breguet 3910, nomos club campus 38, swatch sistem51, mares nemo, seiko ripley, g-shock rangeman* instagram: modus_horologicus

26 May 2013, 02:05 AM	#2
77T 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 42,016	Agree the 16220 is the one with engine turned bezel, and 16200 is smooth. Rolex didn't swap bezels around but a prior owner may have. __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

26 May 2013, 02:13 AM	#3
joe100 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Joe Location: New Mexico Watch: Explorer Posts: 12,840	Yeah the 16220 has the ETB with the tight fluting as opposed to the "13" ETB __________________ It's Espresso, not Expresso. Coffee is not a train in Italy. -TRF Member 6982-

26 May 2013, 03:20 AM	#4
speedo "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: bp, hu, eu Watch: dj 16234, 116610ln Posts: 2,376	This is the paperwork Attached Images __________________ *16234 jubilee dial, 116610 ln, grand seiko sbgm221g, omega speedmaster mark II, longines legend diver, breguet 3910, nomos club campus 38, swatch sistem51, mares nemo, seiko ripley, g-shock rangeman* instagram: modus_horologicus

26 May 2013, 03:22 AM	#5
speedo "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: bp, hu, eu Watch: dj 16234, 116610ln Posts: 2,376	And this is the watch Attached Images __________________ *16234 jubilee dial, 116610 ln, grand seiko sbgm221g, omega speedmaster mark II, longines legend diver, breguet 3910, nomos club campus 38, swatch sistem51, mares nemo, seiko ripley, g-shock rangeman* instagram: modus_horologicus

26 May 2013, 03:36 AM	#6
Alpino "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Paris Posts: 2,557	. Following Rolex rules, you can decompose a reference "16200" like that : 162 : DateJust 36mm (140 for AK , 152 for OP, 182 for Daydate , ...) 0 : polished bezel (1 for finely engine-turned , 2 for engine-turned , 3 for fluted , ...) 0 : Stainless steel (3 for TT YG , 4 for TT WG , 8 for YG , 9 for WG ...) Regarding yours, bezel have been replaced at some point during the life of tis watch.

26 May 2013, 04:38 AM	#7
speedo "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: bp, hu, eu Watch: dj 16234, 116610ln Posts: 2,376	I will definitely doublecheck the serial no but is there a way to find out whether the bezel is original or aftermarket? Is there a way to check what the watch was like when manufactured? __________________ *16234 jubilee dial, 116610 ln, grand seiko sbgm221g, omega speedmaster mark II, longines legend diver, breguet 3910, nomos club campus 38, swatch sistem51, mares nemo, seiko ripley, g-shock rangeman* instagram: modus_horologicus

26 May 2013, 05:03 AM	#8
joe100 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Joe Location: New Mexico Watch: Explorer Posts: 12,840	That's what we're saying. If the watch matches the paperwork, then the bezel was added later. __________________ It's Espresso, not Expresso. Coffee is not a train in Italy. -TRF Member 6982-

26 May 2013, 05:30 AM	#9
speedo "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: bp, hu, eu Watch: dj 16234, 116610ln Posts: 2,376	By original i mean rolex and not something fake. If it is original than it is fine. __________________ *16234 jubilee dial, 116610 ln, grand seiko sbgm221g, omega speedmaster mark II, longines legend diver, breguet 3910, nomos club campus 38, swatch sistem51, mares nemo, seiko ripley, g-shock rangeman* instagram: modus_horologicus

26 May 2013, 07:33 AM	#10
joe100 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Joe Location: New Mexico Watch: Explorer Posts: 12,840	I doubt it's a fake bezel. Looks okay to me. __________________ It's Espresso, not Expresso. Coffee is not a train in Italy. -TRF Member 6982-

28 May 2013, 01:56 AM	#11
speedo "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: bp, hu, eu Watch: dj 16234, 116610ln Posts: 2,376	so we double checked it at the official service centre. the watch is legit, the paperwork is fine. they said that the bezel was original as well and probably put on as a special request when the watch was first purchased. it was a rather good buy i reckon. __________________ *16234 jubilee dial, 116610 ln, grand seiko sbgm221g, omega speedmaster mark II, longines legend diver, breguet 3910, nomos club campus 38, swatch sistem51, mares nemo, seiko ripley, g-shock rangeman* instagram: modus_horologicus

28 May 2013, 02:08 AM	#12
Ksersoze "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 47	Hi there, the picture doesn't look like an engine turned bezel. I have an AK with an engine-turned bezel. See pic.

28 May 2013, 05:45 AM	#13
Ksersoze "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 47	I apologize. I believe that may also be an engine-turned bezel.

28 May 2013, 06:50 AM	#15
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,216	Should be smooth it must be replaced Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ watches many

28 May 2013, 08:00 AM	#17
GradyPhilpott 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK047 Posts: 34,460	Very in-ter-esting. Attached Images __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

2 July 2013, 07:39 AM	#18
GrayTuxedo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 14	Thanks for the pic Alpino

2 July 2013, 07:42 AM	#19
GrayTuxedo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 14	Speedo, I will trade you the original bezel for that watch in exchange for the engine-turned bezel.

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