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highcotton · 22 June 2013, 05:16 AM

What are your thoughts on this Tudor. Guy says he bought it in 1975 used and never had it serviced. Will offer no guarantee that it is real. Looks legit to me but scared of no guarantee. Second hand different than the lollipop type found on most rose dial 7016/0 that I have seen. . Also the short end of the second hand does not look right to me. Most I have seen are perfectly round on the short end. This one seems more tear dropped.

andromeda160 · 22 June 2013, 05:33 AM

looks good, talk him down on the price but im sure its real

roh123 · 22 June 2013, 06:03 AM

I wonder where they found that seconds hand.

greekbum · 22 June 2013, 06:46 AM

Nice as found project watch. I would 1 st establish what a crisp one with a band sells for. IMHO $3000-3800.($4300-5000) will get you the real McCoy 5513. And then figure out what it will cost you to get this 1 in that condition. For starters a bezel pearl,service,bracelet & second hand is what I see.

drainaps · 22 June 2013, 09:27 AM

Hi,

There's been some debate in these pages concerning rose dials or shield dials in 7016s. Consensus is only a few very early 7016s would get rose dials. Can you please share with us the first three digits of the serial?

What bracelet is the watch on? I see no end links in the case back picture, and I cannot see any end link wear on the lugs either. Strange. Has the watch been too long on a non-oyster bracelet?

In the third picture, lug tips look very rounded. That's unusual. Crown guards have been unevenly polished as you can see in the crown picture. Bottom one is substantially thinner.

Unless credible answers to above questions, and a to-die-for price, I'd pass. Much better examples out there.

John in MA · 22 June 2013, 09:59 AM

Would need to see more pictures to make a determination.

Rose dial 7016's have a very unique case compared to others. Only offered in either I.68 or II.68 with a 7528 caseback stamp. When looking at a crown shot, the one guard will be slightly thinner though not that thin IMO.

Side shot of guards should look like the middle case.

Lugs are blunter though those look really blunt.

Withe the photos provided I personally wouldn't pay more then 1500 due to the issues and the seconds hands are almost unobtanium. If I did I would probably part out the watch.

linesiders · 22 June 2013, 11:47 AM

Dial looks relumed? Wrong seconds, great insert, crown guards look funky, no?

I'd want to dance with some far better pics. Price he is asking is too high by 40%

highcotton · 22 June 2013, 01:40 PM

He has the serial number listed as 737806. Said he bought the watch in 1975 used and has never had it opened so he does not know for sure if it is genuine. Said if I bought it and found it to be fake that it would be on me. I told him good luck with that. Thanks for all the comments I believe I will pass.

jolimont · 22 June 2013, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by highcotton

Said if I bought it and found it to be fake that it would be on me.

what an asshat, who does that?

John in MA · 22 June 2013, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by highcotton

He has the serial number listed as 737806. Said he bought the watch in 1975 used and has never had it opened so he does not know for sure if it is genuine. Said if I bought it and found it to be fake that it would be on me. I told him good luck with that. Thanks for all the comments I believe I will pass.

That bastards a fake. Run forrest Run!!!

HOw can you tell? Serial #.

All Rose subs are in the 62XXXXX range.

See these posts regarding the rose 7016 from a few years ago that I did.

http://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=30433

And this one from 2008:

http://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showp...16&postcount=8

linesiders · 22 June 2013, 11:26 PM

That serial # doesn't match the common fake (but it is close) but there is so much wrong with this watch that short of better photos it is at best a mixmash of parts and at worst fake - either at too much money

John in MA · 23 June 2013, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by linesiders

That serial # doesn't match the common fake (but it is close) but there is so much wrong with this watch that short of better photos it is at best a mixmash of parts and at worst fake - either at too much money

A rose 7016 would have a mix 600,000 serial. 737 is way too late.

linesiders · 23 June 2013, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by John in MA

A rose 7016 would have a mix 600,000 serial. 737 is way too late.

I know, it should have a flake dial, yet it has a Rose. If the case is real - and I have my doubts, it would be with the wrong dial

drainaps · 23 June 2013, 05:41 PM

I concur with John and John. A retrofitted rose dial 7016? NO WAY for this watch. Case was already funky on its own, and now a serial/ dial issue. Not worth the risk. Let it go and save your hard-earned money.

22 June 2013, 05:16 AM	#1
highcotton "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: alabama Watch: 1972 Red Sub Posts: 208	What do you think of this Tudor 7016/0? What are your thoughts on this Tudor. Guy says he bought it in 1975 used and never had it serviced. Will offer no guarantee that it is real. Looks legit to me but scared of no guarantee. Second hand different than the lollipop type found on most rose dial 7016/0 that I have seen. . Also the short end of the second hand does not look right to me. Most I have seen are perfectly round on the short end. This one seems more tear dropped.

22 June 2013, 06:46 AM	#4
greekbum "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Nikos Location: Florida Watch: Rolex GMT 16750 Posts: 8,418	Nice as found project watch. I would 1 st establish what a crisp one with a band sells for. IMHO $3000-3800.($4300-5000) will get you the real McCoy 5513. And then figure out what it will cost you to get this 1 in that condition. For starters a bezel pearl,service,bracelet & second hand is what I see. __________________ Follow Me On Instagram @nickgogas Original Owner ROLEX 16750 GMT Daily Wearer For Over 13,000 Days And Counting

22 June 2013, 09:59 AM	#6
John in MA "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Boston Posts: 862	Would need to see more pictures to make a determination. Rose dial 7016's have a very unique case compared to others. Only offered in either I.68 or II.68 with a 7528 caseback stamp. When looking at a crown shot, the one guard will be slightly thinner though not that thin IMO. Side shot of guards should look like the middle case. Lugs are blunter though those look really blunt. Withe the photos provided I personally wouldn't pay more then 1500 due to the issues and the seconds hands are almost unobtanium. If I did I would probably part out the watch. __________________ Formerly John in SC and John in TN How To: Remove a Tudor Pelagos Endlink in 60 Seconds or Less

22 June 2013, 11:47 AM	#7
linesiders 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: RedSox Nation Watch: U Talkn Bout Wilis Posts: 5,503	Dial looks relumed? Wrong seconds, great insert, crown guards look funky, no? I'd want to dance with some far better pics. Price he is asking is too high by 40% __________________ I'm a sailor peg. And I've lost my leg. Climbing up the top sails. I've lost my leg!

22 June 2013, 11:26 PM	#11
linesiders 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: RedSox Nation Watch: U Talkn Bout Wilis Posts: 5,503	That serial # doesn't match the common fake (but it is close) but there is so much wrong with this watch that short of better photos it is at best a mixmash of parts and at worst fake - either at too much money __________________ I'm a sailor peg. And I've lost my leg. Climbing up the top sails. I've lost my leg!

22 June 2013, 05:33 AM	#2
andromeda160 Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Greg Location: michigan Watch: Rolex Oyster Posts: 4,046	looks good, talk him down on the price but im sure its real

22 June 2013, 06:03 AM	#3
roh123 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Real Name: Per Location: Sweden Watch: Gilt Rolex Posts: 2,946	I wonder where they found that seconds hand.

22 June 2013, 09:27 AM	#5
drainaps "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Shanghai Watch: Too many to tell Posts: 522	Hi, There's been some debate in these pages concerning rose dials or shield dials in 7016s. Consensus is only a few very early 7016s would get rose dials. Can you please share with us the first three digits of the serial? What bracelet is the watch on? I see no end links in the case back picture, and I cannot see any end link wear on the lugs either. Strange. Has the watch been too long on a non-oyster bracelet? In the third picture, lug tips look very rounded. That's unusual. Crown guards have been unevenly polished as you can see in the crown picture. Bottom one is substantially thinner. Unless credible answers to above questions, and a to-die-for price, I'd pass. Much better examples out there.

22 June 2013, 01:40 PM	#8
highcotton "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: alabama Watch: 1972 Red Sub Posts: 208	He has the serial number listed as 737806. Said he bought the watch in 1975 used and has never had it opened so he does not know for sure if it is genuine. Said if I bought it and found it to be fake that it would be on me. I told him good luck with that. Thanks for all the comments I believe I will pass.

23 June 2013, 05:41 PM	#14
drainaps "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Shanghai Watch: Too many to tell Posts: 522	I concur with John and John. A retrofitted rose dial 7016? NO WAY for this watch. Case was already funky on its own, and now a serial/ dial issue. Not worth the risk. Let it go and save your hard-earned money.

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