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scottschoe · 16 January 2008, 10:19 AM

http://forums.timezone.com/index.php...7164&rid=26403

Very very interesting

Buldwgs · 16 January 2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by scottschoe

http://forums.timezone.com/index.php...7164&rid=26403

Very very interesting

I am curious (because I am receiving my GMT II - z series Red/Black this Friday) if anyone else has come across or heard of this before.

Thanks

Felly Jr. · 16 January 2008, 11:04 AM

I wonder if mine has the 3186 movement? It's a Z serial.

mullman · 16 January 2008, 11:52 AM

open her up and see!

CPCC · 16 January 2008, 01:41 PM

Open, open, open, open......

sharif · 16 January 2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by cpcc

Open, open, open, open......

+1000!!!

Jedi · 16 January 2008, 02:08 PM

Yes, only one way to find out! Go back to your AD, 'cos that Pepsi is quite new right Felly??... and get them to open it up for a look!!

Paulie · 16 January 2008, 02:37 PM

I'd want to see the RSC paperwork before I believe it. Seeing a 6 when looking at a 5 is not a hard thing to do.

Jedi · 16 January 2008, 02:47 PM

Paulie,

the 3136 is pretty obvious, the hairspring in the balance wheel would be blue...

Felly Jr. · 16 January 2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JediSubExII

Yes, only one way to find out! Go back to your AD, 'cos that Pepsi is quite new right Felly??... and get them to open it up for a look!!

I think I'll wait until I get the call for my Daytona or Milgauss and then possibly have them take a peek see. I have to drive almost 2 hours to get there so it would be better to kill two birds with one stone.

Orchi · 16 January 2008, 04:54 PM

Err buddies...very interesting indeed...then does it mean that the Z series 16570 Explorer II which basically has the same movement as the 16710 GMT Master...may also have the NEW 3186 movement with Parachrom spring...????????

BiG JeEzY · 16 January 2008, 06:29 PM

Wow this is interesting to hear at the least!!!

Something I never expected. Maybe Rolex installed the 3186 on the older style GMT II's as a way of experimenting/testing the new movement before using it on the GMT II-C.

Does this mean that the older style Z serial GMT II's (16710) models with the caliber 3186 movement are some kind of "transitional" models? It is an interesting thought!

SPACE-DWELLER · 16 January 2008, 06:38 PM

Well, I'd be damned!

Very interesting!

Andad · 16 January 2008, 07:21 PM

I'm surprised that the RSC watchmaker was surprised. They should know what's going on.

teo · 16 January 2008, 07:26 PM

The watchmaker may see wrongly. It maybe another rolex rumour.

Thani · 16 January 2008, 07:33 PM

i wouldnt be shocked.. i have 2 theorys

1. maybe rolex wanted to try the movements on older versions (by older i mean before the ceramic) before releasing the NEW GMT ceramic

2. maybe rolex had so many cases for GMT's and ran out of movements and just started inserting these movements in besides making older movement while in the process of making new movements !

simple..

Paulie · 16 January 2008, 10:14 PM

The person from Finland on the other forum has 14 posts. Why does this have any credibility?

I mean, you can't even get a bezel change on a particular model, having a different caliber would be even less likely. Putting the in-house hairspring in an older caliber I can see. The half a millimeter larger size of the 3186 though, when inside a case, makes a difference.

Seriously, if this was true it would be documented.

TDH · 16 January 2008, 10:23 PM

......dunno about this...better to open up and see...and nice watch Felly

Felly Jr. · 16 January 2008, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TDH

......dunno about this...better to open up and see...and nice watch Felly

Thanks Jay!

It was my first Rolex, and now I'm in LOVE!

Felly Jr. · 16 January 2008, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thani

i wouldnt be shocked.. i have 2 theorys

1. maybe rolex wanted to try the movements on older versions (by older i mean before the ceramic) before releasing the NEW GMT ceramic

2. maybe rolex had so many cases for GMT's and ran out of movements and just started inserting these movements in besides making older movement while in the process of making new movements !

simple..

Wow, four movements in one sentence! I think I need to head for the Latrine.

.................

sheldonsmith · 17 January 2008, 01:10 AM

You will be able to tell easily without removing the back... Find another 16710 at an AD, and try setting the hands. If there is more play on setting the hands than on your Z series, then maybe, perhaps, possibly, there is a 3186 movement in there.

There is a noticeable difference between the amount of play in the hands between both watches. The 3186 movement has the gears closer together removing a lot of this slack.

-Sheldon

Felly Jr. · 17 January 2008, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheldonsmith

You will be able to tell easily without removing the back... Find another 16710 at an AD, and try setting the hands. If there is more play on setting the hands than on your Z series, then maybe, perhaps, possibly, there is a 3186 movement in there.

There is a noticeable difference between the amount of play in the hands between both watches. The 3186 movement has the gears closer together removing a lot of this slack.

-Sheldon

So are you talking about the responsiveness in the hands when you turn the crown to set them, like play in the steering wheel of a car?

Tools · 17 January 2008, 01:44 AM

..

I share Paulies skepticism on this..

A new poster with a new post and extreme claim is how internet rumors start....and perpetuate as everybody quotes it as truth...

Where's Mythbusters when you need them ?????

Felly Jr. · 17 January 2008, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Tools

..

I share Paulies skepticism on this..

A new poster with a new post and extreme claim is how internet rumors start....and perpetuate as everybody quotes it as truth...

Where's Mythbusters when you need them ?????

I believe they are currently working on the "It takes 14 months to produce one Rolex watch" myth.

Ironstark · 19 January 2008, 03:04 AM

Can`t say I have ever seen a 3186 in a 16710, in fact yesterday I had a Z serial 16710 to work on and it had a 3185 in it.
The 3185 movement ceased production early/mid last year aorund the time that the 116710
SS GMTII ceramic was launched. It would be logical to asume that any 16570`s produced after that date would have 3186 movements in them.

Tools · 19 January 2008, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ironstark

Can`t say I have ever seen a 3186 in a 16710, in fact yesterday I had a Z serial 16710 to work on and it had a 3185 in it.
The 3185 movement ceased production early/mid last year aorund the time that the 116710
SS GMTII ceramic was launched. It would be logical to asume that any 16570`s produced after that date would have 3186 movements in them.

That's interesting...

So we are more likely to see the new movement in an EXP II than a GMT ??

Wouldn't/shouldn't Rolex have changed the ref # to 116570 due to a new movement ???

Ironstark · 20 January 2008, 02:42 AM

Well its true it is a small world after all.

I had a phone call from a watchmaker friend in Finland this morning. It turns out he was the watchmaker who worked on the 16710 in the thread. He confirmed it was definatley a 3186.
I guess that any 16710 cases left without movements when production of the 3185 ceased had 3186 movements fitted.
Guess they`d be pretty rare.

mborkow · 20 January 2008, 04:38 AM

what movement is in the Explorer II?

Ironstark · 20 January 2008, 04:44 AM

From avaliable information, it would appear that any 16570 EXP II produced after April 2007 and with the ingraved reflector ring around the dial edge should have a 3186 movement fitted.

SPACE-DWELLER · 20 January 2008, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ironstark

From avaliable information, it would appear that any 16570 EXP II produced after April 2007 and with the ingraved reflector ring around the dial edge should have a 3186 movement fitted.

Phew! How's that for news!

16 January 2008, 10:19 AM	#1
scottschoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: CA Posts: 3,295	GMT-Master II Pepsi with 3186 movement [INTERESTING] http://forums.timezone.com/index.php...7164&rid=26403 Very very interesting __________________ __________________

16 January 2008, 11:52 AM	#4
mullman "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Grey Location: NC Posts: 268	open her up and see! __________________ Best, -Grey

16 January 2008, 01:41 PM	#5
CPCC "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Bill Location: USA Posts: 1,857	Open, open, open, open...... __________________

16 January 2008, 02:37 PM	#8
Paulie "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Chicagoland Watch: GMTII and OP! Posts: 1,272	I'd want to see the RSC paperwork before I believe it. Seeing a 6 when looking at a 5 is not a hard thing to do. __________________

16 January 2008, 06:29 PM	#12
BiG JeEzY "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Jerome Location: N. California Watch: GMT I/EXP II/DJ Posts: 3,351	Wow this is interesting to hear at the least!!! Something I never expected. Maybe Rolex installed the 3186 on the older style GMT II's as a way of experimenting/testing the new movement before using it on the GMT II-C. Does this mean that the older style Z serial GMT II's (16710) models with the caliber 3186 movement are some kind of "transitional" models? It is an interesting thought! __________________ -Rolex Explorer II Black dial 16570 (circa 2001) -Rolex GMT Master I Pepsi 1675 (circa 1978) -Rolex Datejust TT Champagne 16233 (circa 1991) -Vintage Longines Automatic La Grande Classique -Vintage Seiko 6138 Automatic Chronograph with "Kakume" Dial

16 January 2008, 11:04 AM	#3
Felly Jr. "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Felly Location: Washington State Watch: SS Daytona/GV Posts: 2,998	I wonder if mine has the 3186 movement? It's a Z serial.

16 January 2008, 02:08 PM	#7
Jedi "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Lee Location: Malaysia Watch: 16750 Posts: 2,534	Yes, only one way to find out! Go back to your AD, 'cos that Pepsi is quite new right Felly??... and get them to open it up for a look!!

16 January 2008, 02:47 PM	#9
Jedi "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Lee Location: Malaysia Watch: 16750 Posts: 2,534	Paulie, the 3136 is pretty obvious, the hairspring in the balance wheel would be blue...

16 January 2008, 04:54 PM	#11
Orchi Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Malaysia Posts: 2,934	Err buddies...very interesting indeed...then does it mean that the Z series 16570 Explorer II which basically has the same movement as the 16710 GMT Master...may also have the NEW 3186 movement with Parachrom spring...????????

16 January 2008, 06:38 PM	#13
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Well, I'd be damned! Very interesting! __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

16 January 2008, 07:21 PM	#14
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,527	I'm surprised that the RSC watchmaker was surprised. They should know what's going on. __________________ E

16 January 2008, 07:26 PM	#15
teo "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: amk Posts: 792	The watchmaker may see wrongly. It maybe another rolex rumour.

16 January 2008, 07:33 PM	#16
Thani Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Thani Location: Dubai UAE Watch: Milgauss 116400 GV Posts: 2,082	i wouldnt be shocked.. i have 2 theorys 1. maybe rolex wanted to try the movements on older versions (by older i mean before the ceramic) before releasing the NEW GMT ceramic 2. maybe rolex had so many cases for GMT's and ran out of movements and just started inserting these movements in besides making older movement while in the process of making new movements ! simple..

16 January 2008, 10:14 PM	#17
Paulie "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Chicagoland Watch: GMTII and OP! Posts: 1,272	The person from Finland on the other forum has 14 posts. Why does this have any credibility? I mean, you can't even get a bezel change on a particular model, having a different caliber would be even less likely. Putting the in-house hairspring in an older caliber I can see. The half a millimeter larger size of the 3186 though, when inside a case, makes a difference. Seriously, if this was true it would be documented. __________________

16 January 2008, 10:23 PM	#18
TDH "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Jay Location: Here n there Watch: Sub Posts: 1,641	......dunno about this...better to open up and see...and nice watch Felly

17 January 2008, 01:10 AM	#21
sheldonsmith 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Member 202♛ Posts: 1,815	You will be able to tell easily without removing the back... Find another 16710 at an AD, and try setting the hands. If there is more play on setting the hands than on your Z series, then maybe, perhaps, possibly, there is a 3186 movement in there. There is a noticeable difference between the amount of play in the hands between both watches. The 3186 movement has the gears closer together removing a lot of this slack. -Sheldon __________________

17 January 2008, 01:44 AM	#23
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	.. I share Paulies skepticism on this.. A new poster with a new post and extreme claim is how internet rumors start....and perpetuate as everybody quotes it as truth... Where's Mythbusters when you need them ????? __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

19 January 2008, 03:04 AM	#25
Ironstark TechXpert Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Rolex world Watch: SS/W Skydweller Posts: 527	Can`t say I have ever seen a 3186 in a 16710, in fact yesterday I had a Z serial 16710 to work on and it had a 3185 in it. The 3185 movement ceased production early/mid last year aorund the time that the 116710 SS GMTII ceramic was launched. It would be logical to asume that any 16570`s produced after that date would have 3186 movements in them.

20 January 2008, 02:42 AM	#27
Ironstark TechXpert Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Rolex world Watch: SS/W Skydweller Posts: 527	Well its true it is a small world after all. I had a phone call from a watchmaker friend in Finland this morning. It turns out he was the watchmaker who worked on the 16710 in the thread. He confirmed it was definatley a 3186. I guess that any 16710 cases left without movements when production of the 3185 ceased had 3186 movements fitted. Guess they`d be pretty rare.

20 January 2008, 04:38 AM	#28
mborkow "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: san francisco Watch: gmt2c pam372 Posts: 842	what movement is in the Explorer II?

20 January 2008, 04:44 AM	#29
Ironstark TechXpert Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Rolex world Watch: SS/W Skydweller Posts: 527	From avaliable information, it would appear that any 16570 EXP II produced after April 2007 and with the ingraved reflector ring around the dial edge should have a 3186 movement fitted.

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