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zxing · 13 July 2013, 08:34 AM

Hi everyone, I'm having some trouble with a particular trusted vintage dealer and was hoping you guys could give me some advice.

Here's the background: I bought a watch complete with a 93250 bracelet from him in May 2012. The transaction went fairly smoothly except for one minor detail. I had requested that a permanent link be removed from the bracelet, but the bracelet I received had all the links there. After some quick and smooth communication, we agreed to ship the bracelet back so he can take out a link or send me a new one.

The bracelet was shipped back around the end of May. However, I had to leave the country for a month in June, so I made it VERY clear for him to not proceed with anything until I got back. Well, after I got back, I contacted him about shipping details, and to my surprise, he claimed to have already shipped out a bracelet and that I should have received one already. There was nothing in my mail, so after some further negotiation, he agreed to send me another one once he had more in stock.

For the next few months, I constantly pestered him about shipping out another one, but he would always come up with some reason such as "waiting for the next watch show to get some more." Around December or so, he stopped replying to my texts, and has not replied to any of my attempts to contact him since then.

While there have been a few scattered complaints, this particular dealer still seems to be in business and in good standing. What should I do?

FNFZ4 · 13 July 2013, 09:37 AM

Name the seller so he can be avoided. Hard to recover what you have lost already. It has been a year. If he had any intention of doing good it would not have taken this long. Whatever his issues were

Kringkily · 13 July 2013, 11:49 AM

Call him out

Alcan · 13 July 2013, 12:14 PM

I'd like to hear the seller's version of this one.

Remove a permanent link for me at your expense before you send me the watch because I'm too cheap to have it done myself? Hmmm......

FNFZ4 · 13 July 2013, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alcan

I'd like to hear the seller's version of this one.

Remove a permanent link for me at your expense before you send me the watch because I'm too cheap to have it done myself? Hmmm......

If that was the case, I would say "thats going to be extra"

Mosco · 13 July 2013, 12:48 PM

i have a feeling I know who the seller is...

nycpassat · 13 July 2013, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mosco

i have a feeling I know who the seller is...

Likewise..

sleddog · 13 July 2013, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mosco

i have a feeling I know who the seller is...

As do I.

No longer would the words be "Trusted Seller", either...

So, to answer your thread Q, name names!

crowncollection · 13 July 2013, 01:34 PM

Two I think I know who also. All the best of luck

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waQstar · 13 July 2013, 06:21 PM

Man, he's Mia everywhere, what a shame.....

Dan Pierce · 13 July 2013, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mosco

i have a feeling I know who the seller is...

Quote:

Originally Posted by nycpassat

Likewise..

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleddog

As do I.

No longer would the words be "Trusted Seller", either...

So, to answer your thread Q, name names!

Quote:

Originally Posted by crowncollection

Two I think I know who also. All the best of luck

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Quote:

Originally Posted by waqstar

Man, he's Mia everywhere, what a shame.....

Yep, a real shame. Even worse since I'm wearing a snowflake bought from him back when he still had a stellar reputation.
dP

TimeToGo · 13 July 2013, 10:21 PM

While a reference to a Ponzi Scheme is not quite accurate, it almost fits the bill..

As long as the money was coming in, goodies kept going out...

johnbeth · 13 July 2013, 10:27 PM

??? SM ???

MonBK · 13 July 2013, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by johnbeth

??? SM ???

I think it was the Netherlands something?

johnbeth · 13 July 2013, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonBK

I think it was the Netherlands something?

MonBK · 13 July 2013, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnbeth

Except that the OP said "trusted vintage dealer" so it can't be him.

zeuloa · 13 July 2013, 10:46 PM

I think I know who it is as well, but please do name him.

zeuloa · 13 July 2013, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alcan

I'd like to hear the seller's version of this one.

Remove a permanent link for me at your expense before you send me the watch because I'm too cheap to have it done myself? Hmmm......

If the seller agreed to do this as part of the deal I see nothing wrong, and seller should have done it.

arjack · 13 July 2013, 11:41 PM

I am curious to know the identity, since I seem to be the only one who doesn't know who it is. Isn't that the point of the section? So we know who to avoid and be cautious in our dealings.....

mbuckley · 14 July 2013, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arjack

I am curious to know the identity, since I seem to be the only one who doesn't know who it is. Isn't that the point of the section? So we know who to avoid and be cautious in our dealings.....

I agree

threemonkeys · 14 July 2013, 02:52 AM

Call them out. We're a community and need to look out for one another.

robertneville · 14 July 2013, 08:07 AM

I think I know who too...what a shame, he used to have a good rep.

Kringkily · 14 July 2013, 08:08 AM

SM should rings a few bells :p

zeuloa · 15 July 2013, 01:15 AM

So who is it?

Oyster Al · 15 July 2013, 03:45 AM

Ah yes SM. Three years ago when he had his "preferred status", i asked him for a SEALED coke 16710 bezel insert, of which he said he had. So when i got it, it was in a taped little bag but the outer hard plastic case it came with was opened! I was naive, new to trf, and the bezel was only $120 so i didnt bother to call him again. But the purchase was not as we both agreed to.

TSW · 15 July 2013, 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonBK

Except that the OP said "trusted vintage dealer" so it can't be him.

GradyPhilpott · 15 July 2013, 06:53 AM

This thread reads like my favorite David Lynch film.

mbuckley · 15 July 2013, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

This thread reads like my favorite David Lynch film.

Thanks Grady

Appreciate it

If the guy is dishonest why the heck the hesitancy to name him

13 July 2013, 08:34 AM	#1
zxing "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Huntsville, AL Watch: 5513 Posts: 33	Trusted vintage dealer still owes me a bracelet after over a year, what would you do? Hi everyone, I'm having some trouble with a particular trusted vintage dealer and was hoping you guys could give me some advice. Here's the background: I bought a watch complete with a 93250 bracelet from him in May 2012. The transaction went fairly smoothly except for one minor detail. I had requested that a permanent link be removed from the bracelet, but the bracelet I received had all the links there. After some quick and smooth communication, we agreed to ship the bracelet back so he can take out a link or send me a new one. The bracelet was shipped back around the end of May. However, I had to leave the country for a month in June, so I made it VERY clear for him to not proceed with anything until I got back. Well, after I got back, I contacted him about shipping details, and to my surprise, he claimed to have already shipped out a bracelet and that I should have received one already. There was nothing in my mail, so after some further negotiation, he agreed to send me another one once he had more in stock. For the next few months, I constantly pestered him about shipping out another one, but he would always come up with some reason such as "waiting for the next watch show to get some more." Around December or so, he stopped replying to my texts, and has not replied to any of my attempts to contact him since then. While there have been a few scattered complaints, this particular dealer still seems to be in business and in good standing. What should I do?

13 July 2013, 09:37 AM	#2
FNFZ4 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Alfred Location: DC Metro Watch: None Posts: 29,368	Name the seller so he can be avoided. Hard to recover what you have lost already. It has been a year. If he had any intention of doing good it would not have taken this long. Whatever his issues were __________________ NEED PC HELP? ASK HERE! Watches: Patek 5205G \| Patek 5167A \| 16613 Serti \| 116718 Green \| 216570 Black \| 16700 Pepsi Wish list: Patek 5726/1 \| AP RG Ceramic \| Patek 5712 \| Patek 5130

13 July 2013, 12:14 PM	#4
Alcan 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Al Location: Way Up North Watch: your P's & Q's Posts: 10,473	I'd like to hear the seller's version of this one. Remove a permanent link for me at your expense before you send me the watch because I'm too cheap to have it done myself? Hmmm...... __________________ Member #1,315 I don't want to get technical, but according to chemistry alcohol IS a solution!

13 July 2013, 12:48 PM	#6
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	i have a feeling I know who the seller is... __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

13 July 2013, 01:34 PM	#9
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,216	Two I think I know who also. All the best of luck Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ watches many

13 July 2013, 11:49 AM	#3
Kringkily "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: George Location: New York Watch: Speedmaster, Rolex Posts: 3,082	Call him out

13 July 2013, 06:21 PM	#10
waQstar "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Real Name: Walter A. Location: Sunny California Watch: 16760 Posts: 2,629	Man, he's Mia everywhere, what a shame..... __________________ Our shadows taller than our soul........

13 July 2013, 10:21 PM	#12
TimeToGo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,735	While a reference to a Ponzi Scheme is not quite accurate, it almost fits the bill.. As long as the money was coming in, goodies kept going out...

13 July 2013, 10:27 PM	#13
johnbeth "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: John Location: Australia Watch: Depends on mood. Posts: 9,536	??? SM ???

13 July 2013, 10:46 PM	#17
zeuloa "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Jose Location: Here Watch: SEA-DWELLER Posts: 2,232	I think I know who it is as well, but please do name him.

13 July 2013, 11:41 PM	#19
arjack "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: CA Posts: 66	I am curious to know the identity, since I seem to be the only one who doesn't know who it is. Isn't that the point of the section? So we know who to avoid and be cautious in our dealings.....

14 July 2013, 02:52 AM	#21
threemonkeys "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Real Name: Craig Location: Seattle-ish, USA Watch: GMTIIc, AK, LVc Posts: 7,022	Call them out. We're a community and need to look out for one another.

14 July 2013, 08:07 AM	#22
robertneville "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: PA Watch: me burn Posts: 1,435	I think I know who too...what a shame, he used to have a good rep. __________________ Motocross is life!

14 July 2013, 08:08 AM	#23
Kringkily "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: George Location: New York Watch: Speedmaster, Rolex Posts: 3,082	SM should rings a few bells :p

15 July 2013, 01:15 AM	#24
zeuloa "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Jose Location: Here Watch: SEA-DWELLER Posts: 2,232	So who is it?

15 July 2013, 03:45 AM	#25
Oyster Al "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Al Location: USA Posts: 1,549	Ah yes SM. Three years ago when he had his "preferred status", i asked him for a SEALED coke 16710 bezel insert, of which he said he had. So when i got it, it was in a taped little bag but the outer hard plastic case it came with was opened! I was naive, new to trf, and the bezel was only $120 so i didnt bother to call him again. But the purchase was not as we both agreed to.

15 July 2013, 06:53 AM	#27
GradyPhilpott 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK050 Posts: 34,460	This thread reads like my favorite David Lynch film. Attached Images __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

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