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Baptistman · 27 January 2008, 08:01 PM

I need your help Guys and a decision by tonight. I have had an opportunity presented to me. Someone has offred a straight exchange of my SD for a S/S Sub date. here are the statistics.

SD - Purchased Nov 07 by myself BNIB Z series

Sub - Purchased Sept 07 BNIB Z series

I have the watch on approval and am now torn in what to do.
1) Which ever I have it is (believe it or not) a lifetime purchase, that means I won't be purchasing any other Rolex Watches.
2) I like both Watches maybe a slight tip toward the SD due to its heft but I love the fact that the Sub is iconic.
3) Is it a fair trade.

Guys can I have your advice whatever I decide one of the watches has to be posted tomorrow and its now 10:00am GMT

Thanks

padi56 · 27 January 2008, 08:11 PM

Well speaking for myself and not a huge fan of the cyclops,I would hang on to your SD.Yes the sub is a Rolex classic,but the SD is slightly more exclusive if you are in to that sort of thing,and IMHO a much cleaner looking tool watch.

erasuretim · 27 January 2008, 08:12 PM

In pure financial terms i don't think it makes sense. SS sub dates are two a penny - the SD is a much rarer and sought after by collectors. I would have thought that you could flip the SD privately and then had more than enough to pick up a SS Sub date and a few quid as well.

I tried the SD and the 14060m at the same time and went for the sub as i did not like the high profile of the SD. I wear my sub nearly every day and love it to bits. The sub is definitely an icon but so is the SD among watch lovers.

Do you have doubts about your SD?? [some people just don't gel with it i believe] If so consider selling it on a watch forum and then choosing your next Rolex.

Regards

Tim

jasonbellevue · 27 January 2008, 08:14 PM

You can't go wrong with either of them. I'm biased towards the Sub, but the SD is the heavyweight of Rolex watches. If you're going to stick with one Rolex, I would trade for the iconic Sub, the quintessential Rolex.

Best of luck to whatever your decision may be.

fwellers · 27 January 2008, 08:18 PM

I feel for you. The grass is always greener.
I believe you have the better watch now. Plus, you've said it yourself. Your nod goes to the SD.
I wouldn't care about the Iconic status of the Sub. For one thing, the watch is for you, so I would attach more importance to your thoughts than an ever variying and intangible 'icon status'.

For another, the SD is arguably more iconic than the sub, and may well even become more so if Rolex rolls a new version out. After a few years pass, the 16600 may well become the most sought after Rolex.

If you like the heft, if you like not having a plastic bubble over the date, then you would be best served keeping the SD IMHO.

btw, I have a GmtII and am in love now, with the SD. I may have to sell the rest of my meager watch collection to get it, but I definitely want one before the rumor of the new model comes true.

I hope you make a decision that gives you Peace !!

Floyd

CPTL · 27 January 2008, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erasuretim

In pure financial terms i don't think it makes sense. SS sub dates are two a penny - the SD is a much rarer and sought after by collectors. I would have thought that you could flip the SD privately and then had more than enough to pick up a SS Sub date and a few quid as well.

Is the SD really more expensive in the UK? The list price for the SD is higher than the Sub Date, but the going rate on the Sub is higher because everyone wants one. I wouldn't think that collectors are falling all over themselves for anyone's used modern SD, since you can walk into any AD and get one with a 5% to 10% discount.

SPACE-DWELLER · 27 January 2008, 10:54 PM

Jon, please don't part with your SD!

The SS Sub Date is a nice watch, but you see it everywhere. Be a little more exclusive and keep your SD.

frostie · 27 January 2008, 10:57 PM

Keep the SD. The planet is flooded with subs

Baptistman · 27 January 2008, 11:03 PM

Keep them coming guys.

I don't have a problem with the SD, it's comfortable, I like the clean dial. I don't know really, I suppose if I could have the two that would be great, but I can't. One factor in its favour could be that I purchased the SD from an AD myself. That is I walked in selected put down the credit card and walked out with the watch and receipt. So I have complete peace of mind. Whilst there's no question about the Sub authenticity it was purchased in by the person I'm dealing with. But again as I said there's no issue with that.
Its an opportunity thats arisen. I worked, saved hard for my current watch keeping in mind that my lifestyle situation does not include a two Rolex life or even going out and spending more on one.

TDH · 27 January 2008, 11:05 PM

Although the SS Sub is iconic, they are all over the place like echoed by frostie. My .02 would be to keep the SD, it is exclusive and you don't get to see one often.

SPACE-DWELLER · 27 January 2008, 11:06 PM

Jon, please please (pretty please?!) KEEP your SD! You will regret parting with it!!

WHY'd you think the guy wants to do the exchange in the first place??

Because the SD is COOLER, that's why!

Baptistman · 27 January 2008, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

Jon, please don't part with your SD!

The SS Sub Date is a nice watch, but you see it everywhere. Be a little more exclusive and keep your SD.

I value those comments, my current status as of 13:05 GMT is leaning towards keeping the SD, I have until 09:00hrs tomorrow to make the final decision. Plus once I've made that choice I don't want to be coming down this road again, which is the reason I'm taking advice. I'm lucky in some ways because the SD older style GMT and Sub are my favourites.

frostie · 27 January 2008, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDH

Although the SS Sub is iconic, they are all over the place like echoed by frostie. My .02 would be to keep the SD, it is exclusive and you don't get to see one often.

Not to mention sub replicas which makes it even more annoying

Baptistman · 27 January 2008, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPTL

Is the SD really more expensive in the UK? The list price for the SD is higher than the Sub Date, but the going rate on the Sub is higher because everyone wants one. I wouldn't think that collectors are falling all over themselves for anyone's used modern SD, since you can walk into any AD and get one with a 5% to 10% discount.

Yep the current price for an SD is £2930 and the Sub is £2840. Funny enough when I purchased in Nov I could get more discount on the Sub than I did the SD.

Baptistman · 27 January 2008, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

Jon, please please (pretty please?!) KEEP your SD! You will regret parting with it!!

WHY'd you think the guy wants to do the exchange in the first place??

Because the SD is COOLER, that's why!

You raise some good points, did you get my PM, are we cool.

SPACE-DWELLER · 27 January 2008, 11:13 PM

Of course we are, my friend!

Baptistman · 27 January 2008, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

Of course we are, my friend!

Baptistman · 27 January 2008, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padi56

Well speaking for myself and not a huge fan of the cyclops,I would hang on to your SD.Yes the sub is a Rolex classic,but the SD is slightly more exclusive if you are in to that sort of thing,and IMHO a much cleaner looking tool watch.

Thanks for that

seantk · 27 January 2008, 11:20 PM

The real problem - is that you like both watches. Unfortunately, if you trade your SD for the Sub then you may regret doing so. If you keep the SD, you will still want a Sub. In school we were always taught that (statistically) our first answer is usually the correct one. With that in mind, you were drawn to the SD for a reason... so keep it.

Good luck! Let us know what you decide.

Sean

Baptistman · 27 January 2008, 11:22 PM

Will do

frostie · 27 January 2008, 11:29 PM

Here are some pics also that maybe will help you do your final decision

Trurolexer · 27 January 2008, 11:34 PM

I'm love Submariner. To me Sub is the best and iconic Rolex sport models after Daytona of course. But I think you must keep that SD. Because that SD you bought in new one, noone wear it before you. And you know the condition so well. But the Subdate, even the same series and date purchase is near that thing is not "new" when you get, pre-owned. So better that SD that you bought in brand new than Subdate pre-owned. Just my opinion, keep your SD.

DS/B MINI S · 27 January 2008, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baptistman

One factor in its favour could be that I purchased the SD from an AD myself. That is I walked in selected put down the credit card and walked out with the watch and receipt. So I have complete peace of mind.

You answered your own question. Simple as that...Keep the SD

CoopJr · 27 January 2008, 11:54 PM

Keep the SD

.

I don't own either but have seen both close up. My dad has a Sub and I recently tried on the SD..the SD was my choice. The engraving on the case back alone is a cool difference between the 2.

SD

SPACE-DWELLER · 27 January 2008, 11:56 PM

Okay!

THIS pic just made me realise that I want an SD badly again!

frostie · 27 January 2008, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

Okay!

THIS pic just made me realise that I want an SD badly again!

It's all my fault Bo

TARDIS · 28 January 2008, 12:00 AM

Keep the SD. I worked up the Rolex sport range to it and it stays with me. Besides you get all this with it!!

Cheers
Steve

SPACE-DWELLER · 28 January 2008, 12:00 AM

Yeah! How COULD you, Velitsko!

CPTL · 28 January 2008, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoopJr

The engraving on the case back alone is a cool difference between the 2.

This is soooo true. Why is it Rolex doesn't engrave the Sub, or the Expy and GMT for that matter.

The case back engraving on the SD is fantastic!!

SPACE-DWELLER · 28 January 2008, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPTL

This is soooo true. Why is it Rolex doesn't engrave the Sub, or the Expy and GMT for that matter.

The case back engraving on the SD is fantastic!!

It's just a pity that Rolex chose to engrave the caseback of the Milguass, too. The engraving of the SD caseback made it very unique, until the Milgauss came.

27 January 2008, 08:01 PM	#1
Baptistman "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Real Name: Jon Location: UK Posts: 2,405	Need your advice and help urgently I need your help Guys and a decision by tonight. I have had an opportunity presented to me. Someone has offred a straight exchange of my SD for a S/S Sub date. here are the statistics. SD - Purchased Nov 07 by myself BNIB Z series Sub - Purchased Sept 07 BNIB Z series I have the watch on approval and am now torn in what to do. 1) Which ever I have it is (believe it or not) a lifetime purchase, that means I won't be purchasing any other Rolex Watches. 2) I like both Watches maybe a slight tip toward the SD due to its heft but I love the fact that the Sub is iconic. 3) Is it a fair trade. Guys can I have your advice whatever I decide one of the watches has to be posted tomorrow and its now 10:00am GMT Thanks __________________ Whatever the watch, it's your wrist, it speaks to you, enjoy it

27 January 2008, 08:11 PM	#2
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,063	Well speaking for myself and not a huge fan of the cyclops,I would hang on to your SD.Yes the sub is a Rolex classic,but the SD is slightly more exclusive if you are in to that sort of thing,and IMHO a much cleaner looking tool watch. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

27 January 2008, 08:14 PM	#4
jasonbellevue "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Jason Location: at home Posts: 5,098	You can't go wrong with either of them. I'm biased towards the Sub, but the SD is the heavyweight of Rolex watches. If you're going to stick with one Rolex, I would trade for the iconic Sub, the quintessential Rolex. Best of luck to whatever your decision may be. __________________

27 January 2008, 08:18 PM	#5
fwellers "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sterling, Va Watch: Rolex Gmt Master2 Posts: 276	It's never the last one. However .... I feel for you. The grass is always greener. I believe you have the better watch now. Plus, you've said it yourself. Your nod goes to the SD. I wouldn't care about the Iconic status of the Sub. For one thing, the watch is for you, so I would attach more importance to your thoughts than an ever variying and intangible 'icon status'. For another, the SD is arguably more iconic than the sub, and may well even become more so if Rolex rolls a new version out. After a few years pass, the 16600 may well become the most sought after Rolex. If you like the heft, if you like not having a plastic bubble over the date, then you would be best served keeping the SD IMHO. btw, I have a GmtII and am in love now, with the SD. I may have to sell the rest of my meager watch collection to get it, but I definitely want one before the rumor of the new model comes true. I hope you make a decision that gives you Peace !! Floyd

27 January 2008, 10:54 PM	#7
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Jon, please don't part with your SD! The SS Sub Date is a nice watch, but you see it everywhere. Be a little more exclusive and keep your SD. __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

27 January 2008, 08:12 PM	#3
erasuretim "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: cranfield, uk Watch: 14060m Posts: 251	In pure financial terms i don't think it makes sense. SS sub dates are two a penny - the SD is a much rarer and sought after by collectors. I would have thought that you could flip the SD privately and then had more than enough to pick up a SS Sub date and a few quid as well. I tried the SD and the 14060m at the same time and went for the sub as i did not like the high profile of the SD. I wear my sub nearly every day and love it to bits. The sub is definitely an icon but so is the SD among watch lovers. Do you have doubts about your SD?? [some people just don't gel with it i believe] If so consider selling it on a watch forum and then choosing your next Rolex. Regards Tim

27 January 2008, 10:57 PM	#8
frostie 1,000,000th PostMember Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 14,048	Keep the SD. The planet is flooded with subs __________________ GMT - Master II C - 116710 LN

27 January 2008, 11:03 PM	#9
Baptistman "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Real Name: Jon Location: UK Posts: 2,405	Keep them coming guys. I don't have a problem with the SD, it's comfortable, I like the clean dial. I don't know really, I suppose if I could have the two that would be great, but I can't. One factor in its favour could be that I purchased the SD from an AD myself. That is I walked in selected put down the credit card and walked out with the watch and receipt. So I have complete peace of mind. Whilst there's no question about the Sub authenticity it was purchased in by the person I'm dealing with. But again as I said there's no issue with that. Its an opportunity thats arisen. I worked, saved hard for my current watch keeping in mind that my lifestyle situation does not include a two Rolex life or even going out and spending more on one. __________________ Whatever the watch, it's your wrist, it speaks to you, enjoy it

27 January 2008, 11:05 PM	#10
TDH "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Jay Location: Here n there Watch: Sub Posts: 1,641	Although the SS Sub is iconic, they are all over the place like echoed by frostie. My .02 would be to keep the SD, it is exclusive and you don't get to see one often.

27 January 2008, 11:06 PM	#11
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Jon, please please (pretty please?!) KEEP your SD! You will regret parting with it!! WHY'd you think the guy wants to do the exchange in the first place?? Because the SD is COOLER, that's why! __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

27 January 2008, 11:13 PM	#16
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Of course we are, my friend! __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

27 January 2008, 11:20 PM	#19
seantk "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Sean Location: West Florida Posts: 2,671	The real problem - is that you like both watches. Unfortunately, if you trade your SD for the Sub then you may regret doing so. If you keep the SD, you will still want a Sub. In school we were always taught that (statistically) our first answer is usually the correct one. With that in mind, you were drawn to the SD for a reason... so keep it. Good luck! Let us know what you decide. Sean __________________ "Life is frittered away with detail... simplify, simplify!" Henry D. Thoreau

27 January 2008, 11:22 PM	#20
Baptistman "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Real Name: Jon Location: UK Posts: 2,405	Will do __________________ Whatever the watch, it's your wrist, it speaks to you, enjoy it

27 January 2008, 11:29 PM	#21
frostie 1,000,000th PostMember Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 14,048	Here are some pics also that maybe will help you do your final decision __________________ GMT - Master II C - 116710 LN

27 January 2008, 11:34 PM	#22
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	I'm love Submariner. To me Sub is the best and iconic Rolex sport models after Daytona of course. But I think you must keep that SD. Because that SD you bought in new one, noone wear it before you. And you know the condition so well. But the Subdate, even the same series and date purchase is near that thing is not "new" when you get, pre-owned. So better that SD that you bought in brand new than Subdate pre-owned. Just my opinion, keep your SD.

27 January 2008, 11:54 PM	#24
CoopJr "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Coop Location: U.S.A. Watch: Subs Posts: 6,455	Keep the SD. I don't own either but have seen both close up. My dad has a Sub and I recently tried on the SD..the SD was my choice. The engraving on the case back alone is a cool difference between the 2. SD

27 January 2008, 11:56 PM	#25
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Okay! THIS pic just made me realise that I want an SD badly again! __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

28 January 2008, 12:00 AM	#27
TARDIS "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Queensland, AUST Posts: 2,003	Keep the SD. I worked up the Rolex sport range to it and it stays with me. Besides you get all this with it!! Cheers Steve

28 January 2008, 12:00 AM	#28
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Yeah! How COULD you, Velitsko! __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

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