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steel4me · 29 January 2008, 06:04 AM

for making the hands that have the mercedes sign, does rolex need copyright permission from mercedes? If mercedes is involved, then our rollies aren't as pure as I thought they were .....

frostie · 29 January 2008, 06:08 AM

Well that's a good question but if you check thoroughly the images below you will see that they are not similar so i guess that mercedes does not have a problem with what rolex is doing. The sign that is used at rolex watches does not look similar to the mercedes logo. Take a close look at the angles and the structure of the mercedes logo

Ikelos · 29 January 2008, 06:08 AM

is it not just a three pointed star, can Karl Benz put a copyright on that?

and here is the girl who it is all named after

f16570 · 29 January 2008, 06:09 AM

Why would they need permission? They are not exactly the same.

steel4me · 29 January 2008, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by f16570

Why would they need permission? They are not exactly the same.

yeah, they are not exactly the same as as long as ROLEX does not use the word MERCEDES in their literature and website, I guess there is no copy right violation....

frostie · 29 January 2008, 06:14 AM

Mercedes though is king. I am a hardcore mercedes fan

f16570 · 29 January 2008, 06:15 AM

Also do you view as the MB sign when the hour hand is pointing at the 12?, if so it is upside down. Now at the 6 it is similar to the MB logo.

Topic · 29 January 2008, 06:19 AM

anybody know why they started the MB logo on the watches?

Ikelos · 29 January 2008, 06:19 AM

frostie................so am I, just got my 6th, a B class...........

Goodwatch · 29 January 2008, 06:23 AM

Look:

Rolex logo in upright position.

Merceds-Benz logo.

Completely different. And the two manufacturers are not in the same business. IWC makes a watch for Mercedes though.

frostie · 29 January 2008, 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikelos

frostie................so am I, just got my 6th, a B class...........

I don't own one but i 've driven and been a co driver in some amazing MB cars.

frostie · 29 January 2008, 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goodwatch

Look:

Rolex logo in upright position.

Merceds-Benz logo.

Completely different. And the two manufacturers are not in the same business. IWC makes a watch for Mercedes though.

I am interested about the Mercedes watch from IWC and info on that one?

mrchubbyrabbit · 29 January 2008, 06:37 AM

I kinda like BMW myself. Maybe Rolex could make a special Sub with the BMW symbol on the hand instead.

Goodwatch · 29 January 2008, 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frostie

I am interested about the Mercedes watch from IWC and info on that one?

They made a Mercedes Ingenieur a couple of years ago, now they make an AMG (the Mercedes tuning brand) Ingenieur. It's on their website.

Jocke · 29 January 2008, 06:44 AM

No it´s Skoda that sue them today.

Mercedes have trouble with Gucci instead.

Jocke

frostie · 29 January 2008, 06:45 AM

you are amazing Jocke

frostie · 29 January 2008, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goodwatch

They made a Mercedes Ingenieur a couple of years ago, now they make an AMG (the Mercedes tuning brand) Ingenieur. It's on their website.

Thanks a lot for the info

applebook · 29 January 2008, 06:46 AM

BMW fan myself.

ttannert · 29 January 2008, 06:47 AM

The same logo is on the hand of my Tag Kirium.

SPACE-DWELLER · 29 January 2008, 07:36 AM

Here is a bit about the significance of the Mercedes hand.

BuffaloRolex · 29 January 2008, 08:57 AM

Rolex doesn't officially call them "Mercedes" hands, but "skeleton" hands...

mullman · 29 January 2008, 10:20 AM

It was a historical (post industrial revolution) symbol for Sea, Air, & Land.
Mercedes-Benz adopted it for the exact same reason Rolex did.

(from my personal ad collection of WW2)

I do not have the facts handy, but I am positive on the symbol in question Rolex (and MB) is using.
Someone in this august group with have the information.

To add to the discussion, I have been a Mercedes owner, and my father was since the early 1970s.
I had the pleasure of visiting the Stuttgart factory in the 1970s & 1980s.
FWIW since 1995 or so I have been a BMW man!

Travis · 29 January 2008, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steel4me

yeah, they are not exactly the same as as long as ROLEX does not use the word MERCEDES in their literature and website, I guess there is no copy right violation....

Copyright does not apply to trademarks.

bwalkerVintage · 29 January 2008, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mullman

It was a historical (post industrial revolution) symbol for Sea, Air, & Land.
Mercedes-Benz adopted it for the exact same reason Rolex did.

According to my sources, mercedes benz (or Daimler himself) created it and it was my hypothesis (and apparently yours as well) that Hans W. liked that and believed it represented his tool watches (land, sea and air) as well - so Rolex adopted it.

See below:

First version:

Quote:

"A three-pointed star had been designed by Gottlieb Daimler, to show the ability of his motors for land, air, and sea use."

My hypothesis:

Maybe Hans Wildsdorf likened the quality of his watches to that of Mercedes-Benz and also felt as though they were to be of varied uses (i.e., tool watches) for land (Explorers), sea (SUB and SD - then later YM) and air (GMT). Therefore, he chose the 3-pointed star for one of the hands on the Rolex tool watches.

And the revised version:

Quote:

ok, maybe the car relation is a stretch, but I do think that it is a little too coincidental that the three-pointed star has been said to represent (albeit for another company) land, sea and air use and that the only watches that have such a hand are the land, sea and air tool watches...think about it

mcubed · 29 January 2008, 11:30 AM

I think it is a form following function thing and that Mercedes hands are just a cleaned up more modern version of cathedral hands....
http://www.mkiiwatches.com/WSWrapper...page=208e.html

There is no connection B/T the car and the hand

bwalkerVintage · 29 January 2008, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcubed

I think it is a form following function thing and that Mercedes hands are just a cleaned up more modern version of cathedral hands....
http://www.mkiiwatches.com/WSWrapper...page=208e.html

There is no connection B/T the car and the hand

Its not a connection between the car and the hands - its the connection based on the meaning behind the symbol - well at least thats one hypothesis.

rpryan55 · 29 January 2008, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frostie

Mercedes though is king. I am a hardcore mercedes fan

Frostie, no disrespect, but Porsche is king. There is no substitute.

applebook · 29 January 2008, 01:24 PM

Entry level Porsches are fun and handle nicely, but they seriously lack power compared to M and AMG models.

rpryan55 · 29 January 2008, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by applebook

Entry level Porsches are fun and handle nicely, but they seriously lack power compared to M and AMG models.

A Cayman S outperforms those, and the Turbo kicks serious, serious #ss. M or AMG be damned.

Travis · 29 January 2008, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rpryan55

Frostie, no disrespect, but Porsche is king. There is no substitute.

rpryan, no disrespect to you, but Ferrari is king.

29 January 2008, 06:04 AM	#1
steel4me Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: SteelMan Location: Somewhere Posts: 719	Does ROLEX need permission from MERCEDES? for making the hands that have the mercedes sign, does rolex need copyright permission from mercedes? If mercedes is involved, then our rollies aren't as pure as I thought they were .....

29 January 2008, 06:08 AM	#2
frostie 1,000,000th PostMember Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 14,048	Well that's a good question but if you check thoroughly the images below you will see that they are not similar so i guess that mercedes does not have a problem with what rolex is doing. The sign that is used at rolex watches does not look similar to the mercedes logo. Take a close look at the angles and the structure of the mercedes logo __________________ GMT - Master II C - 116710 LN

29 January 2008, 06:09 AM	#4
f16570 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: F Location: Scotland Watch: Exp II White Face Posts: 4,272	Why would they need permission? They are not exactly the same. __________________ Why have what's new when you have what's best. f

29 January 2008, 06:14 AM	#6
frostie 1,000,000th PostMember Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 14,048	Mercedes though is king. I am a hardcore mercedes fan __________________ GMT - Master II C - 116710 LN

29 January 2008, 06:15 AM	#7
f16570 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: F Location: Scotland Watch: Exp II White Face Posts: 4,272	Also do you view as the MB sign when the hour hand is pointing at the 12?, if so it is upside down. Now at the 6 it is similar to the MB logo. __________________ Why have what's new when you have what's best. f

29 January 2008, 06:08 AM	#3
Ikelos Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bromley Watch: GMT Master Posts: 27	is it not just a three pointed star, can Karl Benz put a copyright on that? and here is the girl who it is all named after

29 January 2008, 06:19 AM	#8
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29 January 2008, 06:23 AM	#10
Goodwatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Real Name: Frans ® Location: Rotterdam Watch: the sunrise... Posts: 10,230	Look: Rolex logo in upright position. Merceds-Benz logo. Completely different. And the two manufacturers are not in the same business. IWC makes a watch for Mercedes though. __________________ Member# 127

29 January 2008, 06:37 AM	#13
mrchubbyrabbit Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Texas Watch: 14060M Submariner Posts: 27	I kinda like BMW myself. Maybe Rolex could make a special Sub with the BMW symbol on the hand instead.

29 January 2008, 06:44 AM	#15
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29 January 2008, 06:45 AM	#16
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29 January 2008, 06:46 AM	#18
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29 January 2008, 06:47 AM	#19
ttannert "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Tim Location: Ohio Watch: SS Black Daytona Posts: 872	The same logo is on the hand of my Tag Kirium. __________________ The greatest luxury in life is time; treasure every second. __________________ My Collection: SS Rolex M Black Daytona SS Rolex V Black Milgauss GV SS Rolex M Black Milgauss TT Rolex Z White MOP Datejust SS Rolex M Coke GMT II SS Tag Heuer Black Kirium Chronometer

29 January 2008, 07:36 AM	#20
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Here is a bit about the significance of the Mercedes hand. __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

29 January 2008, 08:57 AM	#21
BuffaloRolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Tony Location: Buffalo Watch: 16613 (blue dial) Posts: 1,329	Rolex doesn't officially call them "Mercedes" hands, but "skeleton" hands...

29 January 2008, 10:20 AM	#22
mullman "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Grey Location: NC Posts: 268	It was a historical (post industrial revolution) symbol for Sea, Air, & Land. Mercedes-Benz adopted it for the exact same reason Rolex did. (from my personal ad collection of WW2) I do not have the facts handy, but I am positive on the symbol in question Rolex (and MB) is using. Someone in this august group with have the information. To add to the discussion, I have been a Mercedes owner, and my father was since the early 1970s. I had the pleasure of visiting the Stuttgart factory in the 1970s & 1980s. FWIW since 1995 or so I have been a BMW man! __________________ Best, -Grey

29 January 2008, 11:30 AM	#25
mcubed "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: US Posts: 468	I think it is a form following function thing and that Mercedes hands are just a cleaned up more modern version of cathedral hands.... http://www.mkiiwatches.com/WSWrapper...page=208e.html There is no connection B/T the car and the hand

29 January 2008, 01:24 PM	#28
applebook "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: vancouver Posts: 1,918	Entry level Porsches are fun and handle nicely, but they seriously lack power compared to M and AMG models.

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