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Shauz · 7 January 2014, 01:36 AM

Hello fellow trf's members looking at a few options as my next purchase (roo, ro and diver) just wondering how does the diver internal bezel works ? Does it have any locking mechanism ? Can you turn it while diving ? Do you unscrew it before you turn it ? Because I have a very old enicar Sherpa watch the have an internal bezel for gmt and I kinda disliked how it works could someone please elaborate for me ? Manythanks

diver2012 · 7 January 2014, 05:24 AM

Unscrew the 10 o'clock crown...it then pops out and you turn it clockwise to rotate the internal bezel...then just screw down the crown.

I believe it can be altered underwater and is still water resistant when unscrewed - although I am not 100% sure.

beaglehusky · 7 January 2014, 06:10 AM

Although the manual does not indicate either way, here is a Hondikee article that dedicates a whole paragraph (7th) to the bezel:

http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/2011/7/...ffshore-d.html

bayerische · 7 January 2014, 06:55 AM

If there's one thing I dislike with my AP Diver it is the bezel knob... It requires too much force to move, and even with dry fingers you have to grip it very hard (with the watch on you left wrist), and if your hands are sweaty, you can forget about it...

I'll be diving with the watch in a little over a month, I'm really looking forward to see how well it works as a diving watch. IMHO the internal bezel is nice design wise and keeping the Genta design, but very very unpractical...

Jim12345 · 7 January 2014, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Shauz

Hello fellow trf's members looking at a few options as my next purchase (roo, ro and diver) just wondering how does the diver internal bezel works ? Does it have any locking mechanism ? Can you turn it while diving ? Do you unscrew it before you turn it ? Because I have a very old enicar Sherpa watch the have an internal bezel for gmt and I kinda disliked how it works could someone please elaborate for me ? Manythanks

This is a short YouTube vid on how it works, it might help explain.

http://youtu.be/HFyOpMhBS2I

I have never had a problem using the internal bezel with wet or dry hands,don't expect the quick ease like an external bezel, but at the same time it really is not difficult. It unscrews first then it turns, you then screw it back down when set.

subtona · 7 January 2014, 11:24 PM

It is a locked mechanism once it is set & the crown is screwed back in place, it also is designed to meet the highest dive requirements for such. (international standard for diver’s watches)

Imho, It is, relative to a submariner type bezel, tedious to operate & i wouldmt operate it under water.

Additionally, the bezel takes many twists of the crown to make its full 60 minute lap.

Finally, again imho the hour hand is big, square, poorly lumed & vague... ultimately why i flipped it quickly...well that & "one of the best movements made" couldn't hold the set position of the minute hand upon pushing the crown back in (this is claimed to have been fixed but to release it before it was fixed was inexcusable)

Those things aside, it is a lovely looking watch, the case finishing is the finest i have ever seen and it will likely hold up well to rough use, it is also extremely comfortable on the wrist & the rubber strap is amazing!

Shauz · 9 January 2014, 02:28 AM

Thank you guys so much for your input as I am deciding on my next purchase , it's fair to rule the diver out. The way the internal bezel works just don't appeal to me.

AK797 · 9 January 2014, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Shauz

Thank you guys so much for your input as I am deciding on my next purchase , it's fair to rule the diver out. The way the internal bezel works just don't appeal to me.

Before you rule it out, what are your other options?

CSM · 17 January 2014, 04:48 AM

guys please can you help me. how do i move the internal bezel, should i just unscrewe it and move anticlockwise, or should I keep it pulled while i move it ? I just saw an used one and had this doubts....

regards

diver2012 · 17 January 2014, 05:05 AM

Unscrew it until it pops out - then turn it clockwise (you need to turn it firmly).

Once done - just push down and screw in.

CSM · 17 January 2014, 05:09 AM

Tks diver, i dont need to keep it pulled while turn it? Because the one i saw i have to keep it pulled to turn it not only turn it anti clock wise....

bayerische · 12 April 2014, 06:45 PM

Any info if it is indeed waterproof under water? I don't want to be the first to try.

Submarino · 13 April 2014, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bayerische

Any info if it is indeed waterproof under water? I don't want to be the first to try.

You cannot rotate the bezel while underwater as it will compromise the waterproofness of the watch. A great watch but the terrible lume was enough for me to get rid of mine.

bayerische · 13 April 2014, 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Submarino

You cannot rotate the bezel while underwater as it will compromise the waterproofness of the watch. A great watch but the terrible lume was enough for me to get rid of mine.

What lume?

Bespite it's shortcomings I love mine!

CSM · 14 April 2014, 11:34 PM

The lume is not so great indeed... But the watch is awesome! I found out that my bezel crown was with problem to turn, so i sent to the assistance and its beeing fixed under warranty... But man, the watch is already more the 1 month waiting for the parts... I miss it a lot. I will also have it polished as it is already at the assistance... Looking forward have it back....

Regards

Cesar

craniotes · 15 April 2014, 01:13 AM

One thing I found with my steel Diver was that the bezel was extremely difficult to operate -- particularly when on the wrist -- whereas it's a breeze with my FC Diver. The clicks are much more firm and there's zero slipping, the latter being a constant issue with my steel one. According to the watchmaker at AP's NYC boutique, this is because some of the internals of the bezel mechanism on the FC Diver (and presumably the Ceramic Diver, as well) are made from titanium, as opposed to steel. Is this, in fact the case? Beats me, but I do know that when I tried them back-to-back, the difference was night and day. Whereas before I'd rarely use the bezel with my steel Diver, I find that I use the one on my FC Diver all the time.

YMMV, naturally.

Regards,
Adam

diver2012 · 15 April 2014, 01:39 AM

The clicks are very firm on the SS Diver...and always perfectly aligned which is nice!

TBH yes - it's not as easy to use as a Submariner bezel...but who cares?

From an engineering perspective I love the feel and accuracy when it rotates...and how often does anyone even use it anyway? I only use it when I want to play with it!

7 January 2014, 01:36 AM	#1
Shauz "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Jupiter Posts: 50	Ap diver internal bezel question Hello fellow trf's members looking at a few options as my next purchase (roo, ro and diver) just wondering how does the diver internal bezel works ? Does it have any locking mechanism ? Can you turn it while diving ? Do you unscrew it before you turn it ? Because I have a very old enicar Sherpa watch the have an internal bezel for gmt and I kinda disliked how it works could someone please elaborate for me ? Manythanks

7 January 2014, 06:55 AM	#4
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	If there's one thing I dislike with my AP Diver it is the bezel knob... It requires too much force to move, and even with dry fingers you have to grip it very hard (with the watch on you left wrist), and if your hands are sweaty, you can forget about it... I'll be diving with the watch in a little over a month, I'm really looking forward to see how well it works as a diving watch. IMHO the internal bezel is nice design wise and keeping the Genta design, but very very unpractical... __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

12 April 2014, 06:45 PM	#12
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	Any info if it is indeed waterproof under water? I don't want to be the first to try. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

7 January 2014, 05:24 AM	#2
diver2012 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: N/A Watch: N/A Posts: 1,373	Unscrew the 10 o'clock crown...it then pops out and you turn it clockwise to rotate the internal bezel...then just screw down the crown. I believe it can be altered underwater and is still water resistant when unscrewed - although I am not 100% sure.

7 January 2014, 06:10 AM	#3
beaglehusky "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Adrian Location: Tanzania Posts: 1,553	Although the manual does not indicate either way, here is a Hondikee article that dedicates a whole paragraph (7th) to the bezel: http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/2011/7/...ffshore-d.html

7 January 2014, 11:24 PM	#6
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 26,599	It is a locked mechanism once it is set & the crown is screwed back in place, it also is designed to meet the highest dive requirements for such. (international standard for diver’s watches) Imho, It is, relative to a submariner type bezel, tedious to operate & i wouldmt operate it under water. Additionally, the bezel takes many twists of the crown to make its full 60 minute lap. Finally, again imho the hour hand is big, square, poorly lumed & vague... ultimately why i flipped it quickly...well that & "one of the best movements made" couldn't hold the set position of the minute hand upon pushing the crown back in (this is claimed to have been fixed but to release it before it was fixed was inexcusable) Those things aside, it is a lovely looking watch, the case finishing is the finest i have ever seen and it will likely hold up well to rough use, it is also extremely comfortable on the wrist & the rubber strap is amazing!

9 January 2014, 02:28 AM	#7
Shauz "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Jupiter Posts: 50	Thank you guys so much for your input as I am deciding on my next purchase , it's fair to rule the diver out. The way the internal bezel works just don't appeal to me.

17 January 2014, 04:48 AM	#9
CSM "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: rio de janeiro Watch: ap,rolex,pam,jlc Posts: 73	guys please can you help me. how do i move the internal bezel, should i just unscrewe it and move anticlockwise, or should I keep it pulled while i move it ? I just saw an used one and had this doubts.... regards

17 January 2014, 05:05 AM	#10
diver2012 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: N/A Watch: N/A Posts: 1,373	Unscrew it until it pops out - then turn it clockwise (you need to turn it firmly). Once done - just push down and screw in.

17 January 2014, 05:09 AM	#11
CSM "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: rio de janeiro Watch: ap,rolex,pam,jlc Posts: 73	Tks diver, i dont need to keep it pulled while turn it? Because the one i saw i have to keep it pulled to turn it not only turn it anti clock wise....

14 April 2014, 11:34 PM	#15
CSM "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: rio de janeiro Watch: ap,rolex,pam,jlc Posts: 73	The lume is not so great indeed... But the watch is awesome! I found out that my bezel crown was with problem to turn, so i sent to the assistance and its beeing fixed under warranty... But man, the watch is already more the 1 month waiting for the parts... I miss it a lot. I will also have it polished as it is already at the assistance... Looking forward have it back.... Regards Cesar

15 April 2014, 01:13 AM	#16
craniotes Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Ad Rock Location: Manhattan Posts: 621	One thing I found with my steel Diver was that the bezel was extremely difficult to operate -- particularly when on the wrist -- whereas it's a breeze with my FC Diver. The clicks are much more firm and there's zero slipping, the latter being a constant issue with my steel one. According to the watchmaker at AP's NYC boutique, this is because some of the internals of the bezel mechanism on the FC Diver (and presumably the Ceramic Diver, as well) are made from titanium, as opposed to steel. Is this, in fact the case? Beats me, but I do know that when I tried them back-to-back, the difference was night and day. Whereas before I'd rarely use the bezel with my steel Diver, I find that I use the one on my FC Diver all the time. YMMV, naturally. Regards, Adam

15 April 2014, 01:39 AM	#17
diver2012 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: N/A Watch: N/A Posts: 1,373	The clicks are very firm on the SS Diver...and always perfectly aligned which is nice! TBH yes - it's not as easy to use as a Submariner bezel...but who cares? From an engineering perspective I love the feel and accuracy when it rotates...and how often does anyone even use it anyway? I only use it when I want to play with it!

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