Aftermarket dial question?

[adiorandomhero93]

I was wondering if these aftermarket dials are repainted authentic old rolex dials or are they new manufactured dials just made to fix rolex movements? I thought that was illegal...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/181225428336...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[AbsolutelyROLEX!]

they are old rolex dials redone.
they also drop the value of the watch and rolex will not service a watch with anything aftermarket on them

[crowncollection]

Hard to say you need to see the back

[adiorandomhero93]

Thanks guys. I was thinking about buying it but I would keep the original dial so not worried about the value. And I have a private watchmaker in mind when I get it serviced and do a dial swap if decide to.

Crown if I get it I will post some pictures of the back of it. I just kind of thought the pie pan dials were original rolex at some point in their life because it would be very hard for someone to perfectly bend the brass edges like that.

I only ask because if I do decide to get one I want to be sure it was in fact a rolex dial so I know it will fit right in the case and on the movement.

Thanks so much for your help, I appreciate it very much

Shane

[geneinnc]

That one looks like a bad repaint. As stated leave it be if you can't see the back.

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[adiorandomhero93]

Thanks for your responses I appreciate the help

[crowncollection]

Originally Posted by adiorandomhero93

Thanks guys. I was thinking about buying it but I would keep the original dial so not worried about the value. And I have a private watchmaker in mind when I get it serviced and do a dial swap if decide to.

Crown if I get it I will post some pictures of the back of it. I just kind of thought the pie pan dials were original rolex at some point in their life because it would be very hard for someone to perfectly bend the brass edges like that.

I only ask because if I do decide to get one I want to be sure it was in fact a rolex dial so I know it will fit right in the case and on the movement.

Thanks so much for your help, I appreciate it very much

Shane

Pan pie was original but they need to be this shape for a 1601, fakes are made the same, need to see the back

[adiorandomhero93]

Thanks again very much crown I appreciate your response.

My other question is if this is a fake repainted dial would it still fit on the 1570 movement?

Thank you again very much,

Shane

[77T]

Replicas sometimes fit and sometimes don't.

There's always the chance it is a genuine dial that's been refinished. Buy the seller - if he won't accept returns for defective dial (like not fitting) then don't buy it.

[adiorandomhero93]

Thank you 77T

I decided to purchase it because he does have a good return policy and I paid with paypal so I know I will be able to return it if it does not fit or it's not a genuine dial repainted.

I will post pictures of the back next week when I receive it.

If it's not a genuine repainted dial isn't it illegal to sell that?? I mean they are just taking a generic dial and printing the rolex name on it...

Thank you again everyone for your help and I will post some pictures when I get it

Shane

[crowncollection]

yes it's illegal but eBay don't seem to enforce this or do other internet sites.

[adiorandomhero93]

Originally Posted by crowncollection

yes it's illegal but eBay don't seem to enforce this or do other internet sites.

That's probably why nobody has pictures of the back of these dials...even though ebay doesn't do anything I'm slightly surprised rolex doesnt

[adiorandomhero93]

Just got some pictures of the back of the dial. It doesn't look genuine to me....can anyone else confirm that?

Thanks
Shane

[c.capt]

I would be extremely surprised if that was the real deal. You'd be hard-pressed to find the loose diamonds for the asking price of $170, let alone an entire dial. Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't there also be a Rolex trademark on the back of the dial in between the date window and the cannon pinion hole? The finishing also looks weird to me as well as the discoloration at the hour markers.

[adiorandomhero93]

I thought the same thing but after but after talking to a very highly knowledgable and respected member here it does appear to be an old authentic dial. The trademark has been filed off for whatever reason. I am not sure but the discoloration may be some of the original coating that wasn't filed or polished off. As far as the diamonds go I honestly couldn't tell a diamond from a cz, all I can go by is the description on the ebay page that claims they are diamonds. The picture makes them look much larger the they are, so if they are diamonds they are very very small. And too small for me to tell how clear they really are. Thanks for your response, I appreciate your help and all help that has been given to me from so many of the kind members on this forum. I can't say thank you to all of you enough and you guys honestly have no idea how much you have helped me with all of my posts and threads.

Thanks
Shane

[c.capt]

Interesting! I am by no means a Rolex-certified watchmaker, so it's just my amateur opinion here. Glad it worked out for you though! Did it end up fitting your movement/case?

[adiorandomhero93]

Yea I am not an expert at all, I learn more and more everyday here on the forum though. I am going to send it out to get serviced by a private watchmaker in the next couple weeks and will have him switch out the dial then. I know how a lot of people feel about aftermarket parts here and I understand where they are coming from but I will keep the original dial so I can always switch it back if I want to. I figure no harm in doing that.

Thanks again!
Shane

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by adiorandomhero93

Yea I am not an expert at all, I learn more and more everyday here on the forum though. I am going to send it out to get serviced by a private watchmaker in the next couple weeks and will have him switch out the dial then. I know how a lot of people feel about aftermarket parts here and I understand where they are coming from but I will keep the original dial so I can always switch it back if I want to. I figure no harm in doing that.

Thanks again!
Shane

No harm at all, it's your watch.

[adiorandomhero93]

Originally Posted by MonBK

No harm at all, it's your watch.

Thank you, I appreciate that : )

[c.capt]

Originally Posted by adiorandomhero93

Yea I am not an expert at all, I learn more and more everyday here on the forum though. I am going to send it out to get serviced by a private watchmaker in the next couple weeks and will have him switch out the dial then. I know how a lot of people feel about aftermarket parts here and I understand where they are coming from but I will keep the original dial so I can always switch it back if I want to. I figure no harm in doing that.

Thanks again!
Shane

Eh, those people are mostly worried about resale value. I for one am not a WIS to make money on flipping watches. You're the one wearing it and if you like it, that's all that matters. For example, I really love the arabic numeral dial of the gold Daytonas, but I prefer steel watches so I see that custom job in my near future.

BTW, that's exactly what I would do. If you ever need to send it in to RSC, you can put the original dial back on. I've heard that if the dial is in really bad shape though, RSC will make you replace it during a service (as a "required" item). YMMV of course!

Be sure to post some pics once the transformation is complete!

[Goiguidoc]

This plate is not original.
Up to you if you want a non Rolex parts in your watch...
After all it is your watch...

[adiorandomhero93]

Originally Posted by c.capt

Eh, those people are mostly worried about resale value. I for one am not a WIS to make money on flipping watches. You're the one wearing it and if you like it, that's all that matters. For example, I really love the arabic numeral dial of the gold Daytonas, but I prefer steel watches so I see that custom job in my near future.

BTW, that's exactly what I would do. If you ever need to send it in to RSC, you can put the original dial back on. I've heard that if the dial is in really bad shape though, RSC will make you replace it during a service (as a "required" item). YMMV of course!

Be sure to post some pics once the transformation is complete!

Thanks again so much c.capt! My thoughts exactly, I never plan to sell any of my watches. It will be a few weeks but when I get it serviced and completed I will post some pictures on this thread so you guys can see it. I also purchased a Thomas Preik transparent caseback for this 1601 I will have the watchmaker pressure test and install for me as well.

Thanks,
Shane

[adiorandomhero93]

Originally Posted by Goiguidoc

This plate is not original.
Up to you if you want a non Rolex parts in your watch...
After all it is your watch...

Thanks for your reply, how can you tell?

[Goiguidoc]

I advise you to use google and look pics of the back of daydate plates.
There are SO many aftermarket ones...

[adiorandomhero93]

Its a datejust but I have before and I have an idea of what they look like. I agree the back of this dial does look different then the other datejust dials I have seen. I usually see a code stamped on the back of the dials and they have a brass colored tone to them. I was thinking that since it looks very polished down that the stamping has been polished off. And so has the coating, I think you can still see some of it still there if you look at where the diamonds are set....I could be wrong as I am far from an expert but that was my assumption. Thanks again for your reply and I appreciate all the input I can get.
Thanks
Shane

[Goiguidoc]

Just one hint: look at the the little circle at 14h00 on your pic and compare it with other plates on google...

[adiorandomhero93]

Hi thanks so much for the reply. Sorry that took me so long, I just saw that you responded because I never got an email notification.

I looked at some authentic 1601's where the circle is at 14:00 and the only difference I can really see is the color of the circle.

Thanks,
Shane

[amacdoniv]

I purchased a pre-owned rolex online not knowing that the pyramid dial was redone/painted. I sent my watch in to rolex on 04/19/2014 and received a call ten days later saying that it would cost be about $1500.00 to replace with authentic dial and hands and bezel from fluted to smooth. Needless to say I will pay the price. Please be aware Rolex will not touch aftermarket items on a Rolex unless you let them change it back to their specifications and it could be costly.