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Sir Larry Wildman · 4 July 2014, 01:53 AM

Hi all,

What is everyone's general experience with AP's accuracy, specifically the 3120 movement in the AP 15400 and Divers?

martinr · 4 July 2014, 02:08 AM

I've owned two 15400's and they both had accuracy problems. Brand new from an AD and what I find annoying about AP and their quality control issues is that each watch seems to have its own unique problem. I also had an issue with my brand new from an AD 15202. The dial had a white spot on the edge and when I sent it to Clearwater for repair I also asked them to regulate my watch as it was + 10 per day. It came back with the dial issue corrected but it was still off by about + 10 per day. So, great design and style, great service from Clearwater but QC issues from Switzerland.

Sir Larry Wildman · 4 July 2014, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by martinr

I've owned two 15400's and they both had accuracy problems. Brand new from an AD and what I find annoying about AP and their quality control issues is that each watch seems to have its own unique problem. I also had an issue with my brand new from an AD 15202. The dial had a white spot on the edge and when I sent it to Clearwater for repair I also asked them to regulate my watch as it was + 10 per day. It came back with the dial issue corrected but it was still off by about + 10 per day. So, great design and style, great service from Clearwater but QC issues from Switzerland.

I ask because I have understood this to be the case; that APs are not a watch meant for an accuracy fiend. It's kind of disheartening.

Although, how do you measure + 10 on the 15202 if there is so second hand?!

just kidding

bayerische · 4 July 2014, 02:19 AM

Mine is perfect.

masterserg · 4 July 2014, 02:22 AM

Mine had been very good and AP Service would fix any issues.

AK797 · 4 July 2014, 03:10 AM

When you send your AP in for a service, during the 2 year warranty or after, do you get a 1 year warranty after that date it is fixed?

Daytona4130 · 4 July 2014, 09:26 AM

I just got my diver yesterday, and already have to send it in. It's runnin +27 seconds over a 5 1/2 hour period. Very disappointing. I almost want to throw it out. I was told by my guy who spoke to an AP dealer/watchmaker that the diver has come back to the shop several different times for a mainspring issue. I was told that AP put out a a bad batch of hairsprings in the Diver, causing problems. I'm sending mine back for an overhaul and new hairspring. I'm starting to hate one of the best movements in the world.

Travelair007 · 4 July 2014, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Daytona4130

I just got my diver yesterday, and already have to send it in. It's runnin +27 seconds over a 5 1/2 hour period. Very disappointing. I almost want to throw it out. I was told by my guy who spoke to an AP dealer/watchmaker that the diver has come back to the shop several different times for a mainspring issue. I was told that AP put out a a bad batch of hairsprings in the Diver, causing problems. I'm sending mine back for an overhaul and new hairspring. I'm starting to hate one of the best movements in the world.

I have a garbage in my house....I could throw it out for you...!?

improviz · 4 July 2014, 10:37 AM

15400 is spot on, Diver loses 3-4 sec day, fine by me though if I had a choice I prefer them to run fast.

red1108nyc · 4 July 2014, 10:48 AM

My H serial Diver is +2 seconds per day so in line with my Rolex pieces.

smeowly · 4 July 2014, 10:55 AM

mine stopped twice. now it's running too fast. p.s. mine was bought brand new from AD

i wouldn't recommend anyone to buy AP for the movement. more for the design of it.

ralfcom · 4 July 2014, 11:01 AM

Horrible. Been in twice to Clearwater, still running very fast. Part of me wants to sell it but the other part of me thinks it will appreciate, so keep it (forged carbon diver).

ralfcom · 4 July 2014, 11:02 AM

Daytona 4130: About the diver and bad springs, They told me the same, switched it out and still runs fast, but it is better than before.

Daytona4130 · 4 July 2014, 11:36 AM

It really upsets me. To me, AP is one of the finest watch manufacturers in the world. I have done tons of trades over the past 3 months with 15- 25000$ watches, and this Diver might be my favorite one. I really like it. If I don't get it fixed correctly, it's gone.

Daytona4130 · 4 July 2014, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ralfcom

Daytona 4130: About the diver and bad springs, They told me the same, switched it out and still runs fast, but it is better than before.

I can understand 3-5 seconds +/- a day, but not 10 or more like me. I hope the hairspring fix will do it, along with an overhaul

Speed · 4 July 2014, 12:43 PM

Yikes. My 15300 H serial keeps very good time. Maybe I got a good one.

lipjin · 4 July 2014, 01:01 PM

Get a quartz if you want to the second accuracy. Get a mechanical if you can live with minute variances per day. Get it regulated if it runs faster/slower than tolerable

mspeed76 · 4 July 2014, 05:03 PM

the 3120 movement has issues.

I have 2 pieces that run fast +15 seconds and +45 seconds/day

I sent it in and they replaced the spring with a weaker one / it was "rebanking". Now its losing time lol

the older 2326 movement on the other hand, 8 year old offshore never never been serviced is still running +1 sec/day

robisan · 4 July 2014, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AK797

When you send your AP in for a service, during the 2 year warranty or after, do you get a 1 year warranty after that date it is fixed?

It should be that way.

sebastien1975 · 4 July 2014, 05:30 PM

Mine runs fast too. About 45s per day.

Andad · 4 July 2014, 05:43 PM

IMO most watches that have reasonable precision should be capable of COSC.

AP should be one of these.

onesixeight · 4 July 2014, 06:07 PM

I just got an AP Novelty RG 44mm and it's running about 15 seconds slow per day. Also have a 15202 also recently purchased about 2 months ago and that one is running 20 seconds fast per day.

Sent the 15202 into Clearwater service center for regulation service under warranty. They said about 4 weeks turnaround. I'll probably send the AP ROO 44mm in too.

So far not too impressed with the accuracy. Not expecting quartz accuracy, but I don't want to be resetting the time every 5 days. :(

Hound · 4 July 2014, 06:07 PM

My diver loses about 5 seconds per day on the wrist the gains them back when crown down overnight. I'm happy with that. Mind you that was after it went back to AP to have the mainspring replaced. Still I'm happy with their service and enjoy my watch greatly.

jojosnr · 4 July 2014, 07:12 PM

My 15400 runs at 15+ per day and after regulation runs at +7 per day. Not good, and no more energy to send in another time. Giving up.

diver2012 · 4 July 2014, 09:22 PM

My Diver gains 6 seconds every day - has done for nearly 2 years.

No complaints here!

srvrf · 4 July 2014, 09:41 PM

I don't think anyone expects a mechanical atomic watch, but I definitely agree with the idea that a $15,000 watch from one of the premiere watchmakers in the world should be in the COSC range. 27 seconds off in 5 1/2 hours would probably be rejected in the fake community, much less the haute horology community. My older ROC runs about -30sec/day on a timegrapher. Once I figure out how to regulate it to the 10sec/day or less I'll be happy.

Steel28 · 5 July 2014, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by directioneng

IMO most watches that have reasonable precision should be capable of COSC.

AP should be one of these.

Quote:

Originally Posted by srvrf

I don't think anyone expects a mechanical atomic watch, but I definitely agree with the idea that a $15,000 watch from one of the premiere watchmakers in the world should be in the COSC range. 27 seconds off in 5 1/2 hours would probably be rejected in the fake community, much less the haute horology community. My older ROC runs about -30sec/day on a timegrapher. Once I figure out how to regulate it to the 10sec/day or less I'll be happy.

I agree with you and also was really looking into 15400 in the near future. Great design but I expect some decent accuracy from $17000 (AP15400 MSRP in Canada) watch.

B. Doggy · 5 July 2014, 01:08 AM

My 15300 was running a bit fast when I got it. Sent it in for the 3rd year warranty and had it fixed. Spot on now.

kilyung · 5 July 2014, 01:29 AM

I've had several APs with the 3120. In my experience they're all capable of precise time keeping.

Audemars Piguet · 5 July 2014, 01:45 AM

Not a single problem with my diver.

4 July 2014, 01:53 AM	#1
Sir Larry Wildman "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Real Name: Lawrence Location: London, England Watch: Rolex, PP, JLC Posts: 561	General Thoughts on AP Accuracy Hi all, What is everyone's general experience with AP's accuracy, specifically the 3120 movement in the AP 15400 and Divers?

4 July 2014, 02:19 AM	#4
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	Mine is perfect. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

4 July 2014, 02:22 AM	#5
masterserg "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Serg Location: US of A Watch: AP Posts: 7,437	Mine had been very good and AP Service would fix any issues. __________________ How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat????

4 July 2014, 10:37 AM	#9
improviz "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Tejas Watch: your step Posts: 2,806	15400 is spot on, Diver loses 3-4 sec day, fine by me though if I had a choice I prefer them to run fast. __________________ 116520 white; 16613 black; 116710; 16570 polar; 16600. AP 15400; 15703. Blancpain Fifty Fathoms. Glashutte Sport Evo GMT. Omega Planet Ocean 2907.50.91; Planet Ocean Liquidmetal LE 222.30.42.20.01.001; Seamaster 2255.80.00. Breitling Crosswind, white. Panerai PAM 005. VC Overseas Chrono, black.

4 July 2014, 11:02 AM	#13
ralfcom "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Real Name: Ralf Location: FL. Watch: enthusiast Posts: 502	Daytona 4130: About the diver and bad springs, They told me the same, switched it out and still runs fast, but it is better than before. Last edited by ralfcom; 4 July 2014 at 11:04 AM.. Reason: addition

4 July 2014, 02:08 AM	#2
martinr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: California Posts: 3,106	I've owned two 15400's and they both had accuracy problems. Brand new from an AD and what I find annoying about AP and their quality control issues is that each watch seems to have its own unique problem. I also had an issue with my brand new from an AD 15202. The dial had a white spot on the edge and when I sent it to Clearwater for repair I also asked them to regulate my watch as it was + 10 per day. It came back with the dial issue corrected but it was still off by about + 10 per day. So, great design and style, great service from Clearwater but QC issues from Switzerland.

4 July 2014, 03:10 AM	#6
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,369	When you send your AP in for a service, during the 2 year warranty or after, do you get a 1 year warranty after that date it is fixed?

4 July 2014, 09:26 AM	#7
Daytona4130 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Jack Location: 'Murica Watch: HBO:) Posts: 1,363	I just got my diver yesterday, and already have to send it in. It's runnin +27 seconds over a 5 1/2 hour period. Very disappointing. I almost want to throw it out. I was told by my guy who spoke to an AP dealer/watchmaker that the diver has come back to the shop several different times for a mainspring issue. I was told that AP put out a a bad batch of hairsprings in the Diver, causing problems. I'm sending mine back for an overhaul and new hairspring. I'm starting to hate one of the best movements in the world.

4 July 2014, 10:48 AM	#10
red1108nyc 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Real Name: Fred Location: NYC/NJ Metro Area Watch: Rolex Posts: 8,512	My H serial Diver is +2 seconds per day so in line with my Rolex pieces.

4 July 2014, 10:55 AM	#11
smeowly "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: singapore Posts: 331	mine stopped twice. now it's running too fast. p.s. mine was bought brand new from AD i wouldn't recommend anyone to buy AP for the movement. more for the design of it.

4 July 2014, 11:01 AM	#12
ralfcom "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Real Name: Ralf Location: FL. Watch: enthusiast Posts: 502	Horrible. Been in twice to Clearwater, still running very fast. Part of me wants to sell it but the other part of me thinks it will appreciate, so keep it (forged carbon diver).

4 July 2014, 11:36 AM	#14
Daytona4130 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Jack Location: 'Murica Watch: HBO:) Posts: 1,363	It really upsets me. To me, AP is one of the finest watch manufacturers in the world. I have done tons of trades over the past 3 months with 15- 25000$ watches, and this Diver might be my favorite one. I really like it. If I don't get it fixed correctly, it's gone.

4 July 2014, 12:43 PM	#16
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	Yikes. My 15300 H serial keeps very good time. Maybe I got a good one.

4 July 2014, 01:01 PM	#17
lipjin "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: HK Watch: AP ROC, Nautilus Posts: 1,657	Get a quartz if you want to the second accuracy. Get a mechanical if you can live with minute variances per day. Get it regulated if it runs faster/slower than tolerable __________________ "We must use time wisely and forever realize that the time is always ripe to do right" -Nelson Mandela "It is not our abilities that show what we truly are. It is our choices" -Dumbledore Instagram: horolj_

4 July 2014, 05:03 PM	#18
mspeed76 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: United States Watch: AP, RM Posts: 613	the 3120 movement has issues. I have 2 pieces that run fast +15 seconds and +45 seconds/day I sent it in and they replaced the spring with a weaker one / it was "rebanking". Now its losing time lol the older 2326 movement on the other hand, 8 year old offshore never never been serviced is still running +1 sec/day

4 July 2014, 05:30 PM	#20
sebastien1975 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Real Name: Sebastien Location: South East Asia Posts: 788	Mine runs fast too. About 45s per day.

4 July 2014, 05:43 PM	#21
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,521	IMO most watches that have reasonable precision should be capable of COSC. AP should be one of these. __________________ E

4 July 2014, 06:07 PM	#22
onesixeight Banned Join Date: Jan 2014 Real Name: Chris N. Location: Chicago Posts: 172	I just got an AP Novelty RG 44mm and it's running about 15 seconds slow per day. Also have a 15202 also recently purchased about 2 months ago and that one is running 20 seconds fast per day. Sent the 15202 into Clearwater service center for regulation service under warranty. They said about 4 weeks turnaround. I'll probably send the AP ROO 44mm in too. So far not too impressed with the accuracy. Not expecting quartz accuracy, but I don't want to be resetting the time every 5 days. :(

4 July 2014, 06:07 PM	#23
Hound "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Michael Location: Melbourne Posts: 222	My diver loses about 5 seconds per day on the wrist the gains them back when crown down overnight. I'm happy with that. Mind you that was after it went back to AP to have the mainspring replaced. Still I'm happy with their service and enjoy my watch greatly.

4 July 2014, 07:12 PM	#24
jojosnr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Timbuktu Posts: 379	My 15400 runs at 15+ per day and after regulation runs at +7 per day. Not good, and no more energy to send in another time. Giving up.

4 July 2014, 09:22 PM	#25
diver2012 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: N/A Watch: N/A Posts: 1,373	My Diver gains 6 seconds every day - has done for nearly 2 years. No complaints here!

4 July 2014, 09:41 PM	#26
srvrf 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Real Name: Steve Location: Indiana Watch: PP/AP/VC Posts: 2,156	I don't think anyone expects a mechanical atomic watch, but I definitely agree with the idea that a $15,000 watch from one of the premiere watchmakers in the world should be in the COSC range. 27 seconds off in 5 1/2 hours would probably be rejected in the fake community, much less the haute horology community. My older ROC runs about -30sec/day on a timegrapher. Once I figure out how to regulate it to the 10sec/day or less I'll be happy.

5 July 2014, 01:08 AM	#28
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	My 15300 was running a bit fast when I got it. Sent it in for the 3rd year warranty and had it fixed. Spot on now. __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

5 July 2014, 01:29 AM	#29
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	I've had several APs with the 3120. In my experience they're all capable of precise time keeping.

5 July 2014, 01:45 AM	#30
Audemars Piguet "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Real Name: Alex Location: Europe Watch: AP Posts: 5,252	Not a single problem with my diver.

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