The Rolex Forums   The Rolex Watch

ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX


Go Back   Rolex Forums - Rolex Forum > General Topics > Open Discussion Forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 24 September 2014, 10:16 PM   #1
cruvon
"TRF" Member
 
cruvon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Australia
Posts: 4,689
Got this new high ISO baby and some night photography in Sydney!

Having been a fan of compacts for their sheer versatility, I finally seized the opportunity on my birthday last week to get into the world of compact mirrorless cameras. These compact mirrorless cameras are a decent compromise in size between the two extremes so after some research settled for the Sony A7S for it's high ISO (50 - 409,600) on stills and excellent video capability.

Not knowing much about ISO's, Aperture and shutter speed intricacies, I went do some night street photography to try it out. I also got a fixed length Sony Zeiss 55/1.8 prime lens to go with it All pictures clicked here are with the camera handheld and using mostly auto features with some basic manual control. I still have a long way to go in getting a hang of pumping out some decent photography but am beginning to love this new found hobby. The only regret I have, not having got into this earlier.

Any suggestions on how to improve my manual camera skills much appreciated!





















































































__________________

Last thing I remember, I was Running outta sight
I had to find the passage back,To the place I was before.
’Relax,’ said this Rolex place,We are programmed to receive.
You can checkout any time you like, But you can never leave!
cruvon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 September 2014, 11:08 PM   #2
Psmith
"TRF" Member
 
Psmith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Real Name: Clive
Location: Exoplanet
Watch: spring-driven
Posts: 38,856
Very nice - although makes me feel a bit homesick!
__________________
Psmith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 September 2014, 11:17 PM   #3
Kingair
"TRF" Member
 
Kingair's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: USA
Watch: Not enough ;-)
Posts: 21,232
Nice shots

Love these night colors

Problem of shooting at night is the low shutter speed . . . so moving objects are always hazy . .
Kingair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 September 2014, 11:22 PM   #4
Travelair007
"TRF" Member
 
Travelair007's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: CA
Posts: 1,514
The Zeiss glass helped as well.... Love it!!
Travelair007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25 September 2014, 12:05 AM   #5
cruvon
"TRF" Member
 
cruvon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Australia
Posts: 4,689
Quote:
Originally Posted by Psmith View Post
Very nice - although makes me feel a bit homesick!
Thanks mate:)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingair View Post
Nice shots

Love these night colors

Problem of shooting at night is the low shutter speed . . . so moving objects are always hazy . .
Thanks Marc. True, not sure if hazy objects come under brokeh and is acceptable in street photography, some more reading to do?:)


Quote:
Originally Posted by flagada2009 View Post
The Zeiss glass helped as well.... Love it!!
Thanks mate, true, I too think the lens with its fixed focal has a lot to do with it!
__________________

Last thing I remember, I was Running outta sight
I had to find the passage back,To the place I was before.
’Relax,’ said this Rolex place,We are programmed to receive.
You can checkout any time you like, But you can never leave!
cruvon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25 September 2014, 07:53 AM   #6
vitalsignsrn
"TRF" Member
 
vitalsignsrn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Real Name: Judy
Location: Ontario
Watch: 116234 - 14060M
Posts: 4,607
Nice pictures. :-)
vitalsignsrn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25 September 2014, 08:02 AM   #7
Wllnv19
"TRF" Member
 
Wllnv19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Real Name: Willie
Location: Parkland,Fl.
Posts: 4,829
Very nice pictures
Wllnv19 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25 September 2014, 08:05 AM   #8
BNA/LION
2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member
 
BNA/LION's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Real Name: Larry
Location: San Diego, CA
Watch: ROLEX
Posts: 25,656
Great night shots!
__________________

✦ 28238 President DD 18K/YG ✦ 16610LN SS Sub ✦ 16613 18K/SS Serti ✦ 16550 Exp II Non-Rail Cream Dial ✦ Daytona C 116500 ✦ 126710 BLRO GMT-Master II ✦ NEXT-->?
Hole In One! 10/3/19 DMCC 5th hole, par 3, 168 yards w/ 4-Iron.
BNA/LION is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25 September 2014, 08:44 AM   #9
Kingair
"TRF" Member
 
Kingair's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: USA
Watch: Not enough ;-)
Posts: 21,232
Quote:
Originally Posted by cruvon View Post
Thanks mate:)



Thanks Marc. True, not sure if hazy objects come under brokeh and is acceptable in street photography, some more reading to do?:)




Thanks mate, true, I too think the lens with its fixed focal has a lot to do with it!
Guess you mean bokeh

“In photographic terms, bokeh is the blur, or aesthetic quality of the blur, in out-of-focus areas of an image, or he way the lens renders out-of-focus points of light”
Kingair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25 September 2014, 08:57 AM   #10
RetailSlave
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: West Coast
Posts: 56
OP, The blurry pics are missed focus and not bokeh. Cameras tend to struggle with low light and many cameras miss focus. Also it's hard to get the right shutter speed at night which will cause blur as well. I usually use manual focus at night and use focus peaking. It takes lots of practice but much more fun IMO. Keep up the good work and keep shooting/posting.
RetailSlave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25 September 2014, 09:48 AM   #11
Kingair
"TRF" Member
 
Kingair's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: USA
Watch: Not enough ;-)
Posts: 21,232
Quote:
Originally Posted by RetailSlave View Post
OP, The blurry pics are missed focus and not bokeh. Cameras tend to struggle with low light and many cameras miss focus. Also it's hard to get the right shutter speed at night which will cause blur as well. I usually use manual focus at night and use focus peaking. It takes lots of practice but much more fun IMO. Keep up the good work and keep shooting/posting.
Do you shoot Leica . . . .
Kingair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25 September 2014, 01:48 PM   #12
cruvon
"TRF" Member
 
cruvon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Australia
Posts: 4,689
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitalsignsrn View Post
Nice pictures. :-)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wllnv19 View Post
Very nice pictures
Quote:
Originally Posted by BNALION View Post
Great night shots!
Thanks Judy, Willie, Leon, am inspired to click some more:)
__________________

Last thing I remember, I was Running outta sight
I had to find the passage back,To the place I was before.
’Relax,’ said this Rolex place,We are programmed to receive.
You can checkout any time you like, But you can never leave!
cruvon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25 September 2014, 01:48 PM   #13
cruvon
"TRF" Member
 
cruvon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Australia
Posts: 4,689
del
__________________

Last thing I remember, I was Running outta sight
I had to find the passage back,To the place I was before.
’Relax,’ said this Rolex place,We are programmed to receive.
You can checkout any time you like, But you can never leave!
cruvon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25 September 2014, 01:54 PM   #14
cruvon
"TRF" Member
 
cruvon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Australia
Posts: 4,689
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingair View Post
Guess you mean bokeh

“In photographic terms, bokeh is the blur, or aesthetic quality of the blur, in out-of-focus areas of an image, or he way the lens renders out-of-focus points of light”

yes mate, see, am too new to this:).I need to try again with the subjects in front in sharper focus.


Quote:
Originally Posted by RetailSlave View Post
OP, The blurry pics are missed focus and not bokeh. Cameras tend to struggle with low light and many cameras miss focus. Also it's hard to get the right shutter speed at night which will cause blur as well. I usually use manual focus at night and use focus peaking. It takes lots of practice but much more fun IMO. Keep up the good work and keep shooting/posting.

Thanks, yes, I guess it happened because I put it on the night scene mode and adjusted a few variables but obviously the shutter speed was too slow on night scene mode. I badly need to learn the manual stuff and also learn about focus peaking, loving the possibilities!:)
__________________

Last thing I remember, I was Running outta sight
I had to find the passage back,To the place I was before.
’Relax,’ said this Rolex place,We are programmed to receive.
You can checkout any time you like, But you can never leave!
cruvon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25 September 2014, 11:57 PM   #15
uscmatt99
"TRF" Member
 
uscmatt99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Chicago
Posts: 2,036
If I could offer some suggestions, as a fellow amateur and user of the A7 with the same lens....

Definitely read up on how aperture, shutter speed, and ISO level affect your images. There's a great book with examples called Understanding Exposure. You'll learn all of the trade-offs and aspects of the image you can control with each parameter.

In general, your whole image won't be in focus with this camera and lens if the subject of the photo is close to you. Unlike cell phone pics where almost everything is in focus. This is the concept of "depth of field", objects a certain distance will be in focus, and anything closer or farther will be out of focus, more so the farther the object is from this optimal distance. You can control this with your aperture setting.

Pick a main subject for your photos, and get it in focus. Let the surroundings tell the story. Or alternatively, pick a subject and blur the rest of the stuff out for a nice artistic rendering.

Here are my settings for low light photography:

Mode: M for manual baby! This is how you take control and tell the camera what to do, the best way to learn. I use M in low light, and A in bright light.

Aperture: f/4 to f/5.6 to get a decent amount of stuff in focus, f/1.8 to isolate a subject, f/11 to get the most in focus, though this will be tough at night.

Shutter speed: 1/100 to reasonably stop motion, as low as 1/30-1/50 with that lens if you're okay with some motion blur, which adds to the photo sometimes

ISO: Auto-ISO, spin the rear dial all the way to the left to engage this. The camera is a low light monster so this can be pushed more than on other cameras.

Face-detect: On, so that if there is a person or people, the camera will see it, focus on it, and adjust the exposure optimally for the person.

Exposure compensation: usually at 0, but if there is a bright subject you want to capture, like a well lit building surrounded by darkness, set it to -1.0 to -1.7. See your clock tower photo as an example.

DRO: Auto. This will brighten up the shadows while keeping brighter parts of the picture from "blowing out", or going all white with no detail.

Shoot in JPEG-fine for now. When you get more comfortable, you can try shooting in RAW and importing these images to a photo editing program. As mentioned above, when you get more comfortable with these things, get a manual focus lens like the new Zeiss Loxia 35mm coming to market. I mostly use manual focus glass, and enjoy the further control I get over choosing what is in focus. The Sony A7 cameras are excellent for this, I say that coming from Nikon cameras.
uscmatt99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25 September 2014, 11:59 PM   #16
antbkny
"TRF" Member
 
antbkny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Real Name: Anthony
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Watch: Dblue
Posts: 6,723
could be my monitor or my eyes but the white balance seems off
antbkny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 September 2014, 02:04 AM   #17
Kingair
"TRF" Member
 
Kingair's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: USA
Watch: Not enough ;-)
Posts: 21,232
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rolex Dude View Post
could be my monitor or my eyes but the white balance seems off
That's why you better shoot RAW . . .
Kingair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 September 2014, 03:23 AM   #18
mtrunner
2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member
 
mtrunner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Real Name: Gary
Location: Bozeman, MT
Watch: 126508 Paul Newman
Posts: 7,835
Gorgeous pictures! No advice since I am a novice at best when it comes to taking pictures.
mtrunner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 September 2014, 03:30 AM   #19
uscmatt99
"TRF" Member
 
uscmatt99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Chicago
Posts: 2,036
Sony's auto white balance stinks, especially with low light and incandescent light. But it's managed to jack up bright sunlight for me as well! I agree RAW is the way to go.
uscmatt99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 September 2014, 12:47 AM   #20
cruvon
"TRF" Member
 
cruvon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Australia
Posts: 4,689
Quote:
Originally Posted by uscmatt99 View Post
If I could offer some suggestions, as a fellow amateur and user of the A7 with the same lens....

Definitely read up on how aperture, shutter speed, and ISO level affect your images. There's a great book with examples called Understanding Exposure. You'll learn all of the trade-offs and aspects of the image you can control with each parameter.

In general, your whole image won't be in focus with this camera and lens if the subject of the photo is close to you. Unlike cell phone pics where almost everything is in focus. This is the concept of "depth of field", objects a certain distance will be in focus, and anything closer or farther will be out of focus, more so the farther the object is from this optimal distance. You can control this with your aperture setting.

Pick a main subject for your photos, and get it in focus. Let the surroundings tell the story. Or alternatively, pick a subject and blur the rest of the stuff out for a nice artistic rendering.

Here are my settings for low light photography:

Mode: M for manual baby! This is how you take control and tell the camera what to do, the best way to learn. I use M in low light, and A in bright light.

Aperture: f/4 to f/5.6 to get a decent amount of stuff in focus, f/1.8 to isolate a subject, f/11 to get the most in focus, though this will be tough at night.

Shutter speed: 1/100 to reasonably stop motion, as low as 1/30-1/50 with that lens if you're okay with some motion blur, which adds to the photo sometimes

ISO: Auto-ISO, spin the rear dial all the way to the left to engage this. The camera is a low light monster so this can be pushed more than on other cameras.

Face-detect: On, so that if there is a person or people, the camera will see it, focus on it, and adjust the exposure optimally for the person.

Exposure compensation: usually at 0, but if there is a bright subject you want to capture, like a well lit building surrounded by darkness, set it to -1.0 to -1.7. See your clock tower photo as an example.

DRO: Auto. This will brighten up the shadows while keeping brighter parts of the picture from "blowing out", or going all white with no detail.

Shoot in JPEG-fine for now. When you get more comfortable, you can try shooting in RAW and importing these images to a photo editing program. As mentioned above, when you get more comfortable with these things, get a manual focus lens like the new Zeiss Loxia 35mm coming to market. I mostly use manual focus glass, and enjoy the further control I get over choosing what is in focus. The Sony A7 cameras are excellent for this, I say that coming from Nikon cameras.


Thanks for your kind advice mate, is really very helpful and have started experimenting with the settings you mentioned. Glad to know you have been enjoying your A7 and chose it above the Nikons. I don't have that experience coming from point and shoots but is great to hear. Thanks again for taking the time to share your experiences with the Sony A platform.
__________________

Last thing I remember, I was Running outta sight
I had to find the passage back,To the place I was before.
’Relax,’ said this Rolex place,We are programmed to receive.
You can checkout any time you like, But you can never leave!
cruvon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 September 2014, 12:48 AM   #21
cruvon
"TRF" Member
 
cruvon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Australia
Posts: 4,689
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rolex Dude View Post
could be my monitor or my eyes but the white balance seems off
Thanks Anthony, whats the best way to control that? Do you mean the yellowing?
__________________

Last thing I remember, I was Running outta sight
I had to find the passage back,To the place I was before.
’Relax,’ said this Rolex place,We are programmed to receive.
You can checkout any time you like, But you can never leave!
cruvon is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Wrist Aficionado

My Watch LLC

WatchesOff5th

DavidSW Watches

Takuya Watches

OCWatches


*Banners Of The Month*
This space is provided to horological resources.





Copyright ©2004-2024, The Rolex Forums. All Rights Reserved.

ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX

Rolex is a registered trademark of ROLEX USA. The Rolex Forums is not affiliated with ROLEX USA in any way.