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devine · 4 January 2015, 01:50 AM

I have been offered a trade of my 2014 116610LN plus 1500 Euros for a 2014 Pam 305. Would I be mad to make this trade. I love the Pams and this would fulfill my need for a new watch however I do worry that I will miss the Sub at a later stage. Anyway interested to hear peoples opinions too the trade and I am aware as this is a rolex site that most people would feel the need to reject the offer. Anyway a good discussion is always useful with lots of counter and pro points. Thanks PS I already have a pam005 which I can use Monday to Friday in the office so the question is which sub for casual weekend wear?

engin33r · 4 January 2015, 02:11 AM

1. Rolex > Panerai
2. If you disagree with no 1, then you're in the wrong forum...

Seaswirl · 4 January 2015, 02:18 AM

I suspect you'll miss the Sub. Plus you already have a Pam.

Jidonsu · 4 January 2015, 02:50 AM

I've had my share of Panerai, and I'd say that the 116610 is nicer than the 305.

travisb · 4 January 2015, 02:59 AM

I like the Sub more and if you did the trade you shouldn't be coming out of pocket.
I do love the 305 by the way. One of my favorite PAMs.

AK797 · 4 January 2015, 03:17 AM

I wouldn't sell for a PAM only another Rolex, save and add if you must.

T01 · 4 January 2015, 03:24 AM

I'd go for the sub.

landroverking · 4 January 2015, 03:25 AM

Wtf

Psmith · 4 January 2015, 03:50 AM

Why not? Get the one you want/love. It's not like the Sub is rare.
The 305 is a very nice piece.

jjnd08 · 4 January 2015, 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by engin33r

1. Rolex > Panerai
2. If you disagree with no 1, then you're in the wrong forum...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seaswirl

I suspect you'll miss the Sub. Plus you already have a Pam.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK797

I wouldn't sell for a PAM only another Rolex, save and add if you must.

Quote:

Originally Posted by travisb

I like the Sub more and if you did the trade you shouldn't be coming out of pocket.
I do love the 305 by the way. One of my favorite PAMs.

Agree with all of this.

Cru Jones · 4 January 2015, 04:18 AM

You already have a great pair. Personally, I prefer 005 + Sub over 005 + 305. But, if you're tired of the Rolex, go for the 305, it's pretty sweet.

Racerdj · 4 January 2015, 04:31 AM

It's only a mistake if you will miss the one traded.

devine · 4 January 2015, 04:35 AM

Why would you not expect to have to pony up additional cash as part of a trade given that the list price new of a 305 is 7600 Euros with no discount in an AD ( I have checked) while the RRP price in the same AD for the Rolex Sub is 7100 Euros but they will give 10% discount bringing it down to 6400 Euros.

rolepam312 · 4 January 2015, 04:38 AM

I would in a heartbeat ! 305 is way more interesting and you can pick up a sub anyday! Be different...there's enough subs around ...

kilyung · 4 January 2015, 05:06 AM

While I like the 305, I like the 116610 more

nick c · 4 January 2015, 05:41 AM

I would trade for pam 305

domrusso10 · 4 January 2015, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by engin33r

1. Rolex > Panerai

2. If you disagree with no 1, then you're in the wrong forum...

This ^^

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adamlea · 4 January 2015, 06:26 AM

Keep the sub.

Thatguy · 4 January 2015, 06:33 AM

Is the 305 used? I have seen used 305's the same price as used subc's.

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fullcourt · 4 January 2015, 06:37 AM

305 all day....good luck

otisc · 4 January 2015, 08:19 AM

I don't think the Pam will hold it's value nearly as well, and when the time comes to flip it, you will feel the pinch. Stick with the Rolex.

Time Collector · 4 January 2015, 08:21 AM

I have a 305, an I think that it wears very well for a 47 mm watch, do to its titanium case. I'm assuming that you are talking about a "Q" series Paneri, since you said new. If the watch is used, it is only worth an even trade or +/- 300-400 dollars, depending on the condition of both, that's just my opinion.
Check the (Watchrecon) and you will see that most used SubC or going for around $ 7000, while most used Pam 305 start at $ 6,850, So you be the judge based on the market.

With all of that said, I really do enjoy wearing the 305, I like it so much that I have to put it in my bank safe to keep from wearing it. I think Paneria is an acquired taste you either like them or not.
But I do think that you are on the wrong forum for the direction you want to go with your trade.

Mystro · 4 January 2015, 08:31 AM

X2.....The Pam is a piece of art.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullcourt

305 all day....good luck

zama · 4 January 2015, 08:37 AM

I would keep the sub unless you hanker for giant watches, the deal is OK at best, but probably not in your favour, but does mean a change which as they say is as good as a holiday.

Brunotheboxer · 4 January 2015, 01:31 PM

I would get the 305 but give less money.

justin1628 · 4 January 2015, 02:48 PM

The brand difference and style aside, the size difference is huge. I think you'd have to take into consideration whether you 005 is small, just right, just slightly big, or already too big, before considering a 47mm.

I love the 305, but I can never pull off 47mm. They need to make a submersible in 44mm without magnified date.

My opinion, if you can pull off the 305, go for it, but only if it's an even trade. I don't see why you'd have to pony up anther $1500 for the trade.

Fleetlord · 4 January 2015, 03:35 PM

Trading a quality ROLEX Sub into a panerai is not strong move.

Never trade OUT of ROLEX into another brand, unless it's PATEK or AP..

Pam 305 is a nice piece, but not at the expense of a ROLEX...plus you have to worry about the strap release breaking as they do fairly often....and that is a big pain in the A$$ to deal with...

So...Make the STRONG move and keep the ROLEX SUB

devine · 4 January 2015, 07:37 PM

Thanks for the opinions and advise, think I will try and get a better deal and do my due diligence on the seller. Would love o use the sales section on TRF however most sellers are from the US and I would be liable to Value added tax if the taxman opened my parcel of 23%. So I am looking at dealers on Chrono 24 from inside Europe as I would not be liable to any VAT on sellers inside the EU. PS anyone ever buy a watch from UHREN2000 or the Cologne watch centre any feed back welcomed. Thanks again

devine · 4 January 2015, 08:46 PM

A

Urosfan · 4 January 2015, 11:21 PM

I love my pams but I rather have the sub

4 January 2015, 01:50 AM	#1
devine "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Ireland Posts: 41	Pam 305 for a 11610LN good or Bad I have been offered a trade of my 2014 116610LN plus 1500 Euros for a 2014 Pam 305. Would I be mad to make this trade. I love the Pams and this would fulfill my need for a new watch however I do worry that I will miss the Sub at a later stage. Anyway interested to hear peoples opinions too the trade and I am aware as this is a rolex site that most people would feel the need to reject the offer. Anyway a good discussion is always useful with lots of counter and pro points. Thanks PS I already have a pam005 which I can use Monday to Friday in the office so the question is which sub for casual weekend wear?

4 January 2015, 02:50 AM	#4
Jidonsu "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: United States Posts: 258	I've had my share of Panerai, and I'd say that the 116610 is nicer than the 305. __________________ Current Collection Audemars Piguet Royal Oak 15400 \| Rolex 114060 \| Rolex 116710BLNR \| Tudor Black Bay GMT \| Tudor Pelagos Blue \| IWC Mark XVIII Le Petit Prince \|

4 January 2015, 03:50 AM	#9
Psmith "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Clive Location: Exoplanet Watch: spring-driven Posts: 38,856	Why not? Get the one you want/love. It's not like the Sub is rare. The 305 is a very nice piece. __________________

4 January 2015, 04:31 AM	#12
Racerdj 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Indianapolis Watch: Patek-Philippe Posts: 16,832	It's only a mistake if you will miss the one traded. __________________ Rolex and Patek Philippe

4 January 2015, 06:37 AM	#20
fullcourt "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Real Name: dp Location: chicago, usa Watch: panerai Posts: 2,369	305 all day....good luck __________________ dp just living the dream chicago, usa chgo_risti on IG

4 January 2015, 02:11 AM	#2
engin33r "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Real Name: Andy Location: GMT +7 Watch: Sub, Daytona, DD2 Posts: 742	1. Rolex > Panerai 2. If you disagree with no 1, then you're in the wrong forum...

4 January 2015, 02:18 AM	#3
Seaswirl "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: NYC Posts: 1,761	I suspect you'll miss the Sub. Plus you already have a Pam.

4 January 2015, 02:59 AM	#5
travisb 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Travis Location: FL / NYC Watch: Yes.. Posts: 33,485	I like the Sub more and if you did the trade you shouldn't be coming out of pocket. I do love the 305 by the way. One of my favorite PAMs.

4 January 2015, 03:17 AM	#6
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,369	I wouldn't sell for a PAM only another Rolex, save and add if you must.

4 January 2015, 03:24 AM	#7
T01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: T Location: AZ, NV, CA Posts: 6,490	I'd go for the sub.

4 January 2015, 03:25 AM	#8
landroverking "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Jay Location: TEXAS Watch: Daytona Posts: 7,648	Wtf

4 January 2015, 04:18 AM	#11
Cru Jones 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Paris, France Posts: 35,296	You already have a great pair. Personally, I prefer 005 + Sub over 005 + 305. But, if you're tired of the Rolex, go for the 305, it's pretty sweet.

4 January 2015, 04:35 AM	#13
devine "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Ireland Posts: 41	Why would you not expect to have to pony up additional cash as part of a trade given that the list price new of a 305 is 7600 Euros with no discount in an AD ( I have checked) while the RRP price in the same AD for the Rolex Sub is 7100 Euros but they will give 10% discount bringing it down to 6400 Euros.

4 January 2015, 04:38 AM	#14
rolepam312 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: arizona Posts: 415	I would in a heartbeat ! 305 is way more interesting and you can pick up a sub anyday! Be different...there's enough subs around ...

4 January 2015, 05:06 AM	#15
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	While I like the 305, I like the 116610 more

4 January 2015, 05:41 AM	#16
nick c Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 26,846	I would trade for pam 305

4 January 2015, 06:26 AM	#18
adamlea "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Great Plains Watch: Exp II 216570 Blk Posts: 1,190	Keep the sub.

4 January 2015, 06:33 AM	#19
Thatguy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Real Name: Wayne Location: California Watch: Rolex, PAM Posts: 3,302	Is the 305 used? I have seen used 305's the same price as used subc's. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

4 January 2015, 08:19 AM	#21
otisc "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Austin, TX Watch: 116610LV HULK Posts: 638	I don't think the Pam will hold it's value nearly as well, and when the time comes to flip it, you will feel the pinch. Stick with the Rolex.

4 January 2015, 08:21 AM	#22
Time Collector "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Anthony Location: California Watch: Rolex/AP/Panerai Posts: 1,641	I have a 305, an I think that it wears very well for a 47 mm watch, do to its titanium case. I'm assuming that you are talking about a "Q" series Paneri, since you said new. If the watch is used, it is only worth an even trade or +/- 300-400 dollars, depending on the condition of both, that's just my opinion. Check the (Watchrecon) and you will see that most used SubC or going for around $ 7000, while most used Pam 305 start at $ 6,850, So you be the judge based on the market. With all of that said, I really do enjoy wearing the 305, I like it so much that I have to put it in my bank safe to keep from wearing it. I think Paneria is an acquired taste you either like them or not. But I do think that you are on the wrong forum for the direction you want to go with your trade. __________________ "You can never buy back Time, so spend it wisely."

4 January 2015, 08:37 AM	#24
zama "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Craig Location: Sydney Watch: 4 Broken glass Posts: 5,807	I would keep the sub unless you hanker for giant watches, the deal is OK at best, but probably not in your favour, but does mean a change which as they say is as good as a holiday. __________________ Day Date 118206, Daytona 116509 & 116505, AP 25859ST Gone but not forgotten and genuinely missed..... Root Beer GMT, Sub, TT Daytona, YG DD Bark, Datejust(2 his & hers), AP RO, PP Aquanaut, Lange 1, Heuer Monza, Piaget Altiplano, GP Chrono, Seamaster, Tudor Sub, Tudor Chrono, Tudor Black Bay Bronze

4 January 2015, 01:31 PM	#25
Brunotheboxer Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Bruno Location: Boston/Cape Cod Watch: 16610,PAM. 111, G Posts: 7,608	I would get the 305 but give less money.

4 January 2015, 02:48 PM	#26
justin1628 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Real Name: Justin Location: Vancouver Watch: DSSD Posts: 53	The brand difference and style aside, the size difference is huge. I think you'd have to take into consideration whether you 005 is small, just right, just slightly big, or already too big, before considering a 47mm. I love the 305, but I can never pull off 47mm. They need to make a submersible in 44mm without magnified date. My opinion, if you can pull off the 305, go for it, but only if it's an even trade. I don't see why you'd have to pony up anther $1500 for the trade.

4 January 2015, 03:35 PM	#27
Fleetlord 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Vain Posts: 6,022	Trading a quality ROLEX Sub into a panerai is not strong move. Never trade OUT of ROLEX into another brand, unless it's PATEK or AP.. Pam 305 is a nice piece, but not at the expense of a ROLEX...plus you have to worry about the strap release breaking as they do fairly often....and that is a big pain in the A$$ to deal with... So...Make the STRONG move and keep the ROLEX SUB

4 January 2015, 07:37 PM	#28
devine "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Ireland Posts: 41	Thanks for the opinions and advise, think I will try and get a better deal and do my due diligence on the seller. Would love o use the sales section on TRF however most sellers are from the US and I would be liable to Value added tax if the taxman opened my parcel of 23%. So I am looking at dealers on Chrono 24 from inside Europe as I would not be liable to any VAT on sellers inside the EU. PS anyone ever buy a watch from UHREN2000 or the Cologne watch centre any feed back welcomed. Thanks again

4 January 2015, 08:46 PM	#29
devine "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Ireland Posts: 41	A

4 January 2015, 11:21 PM	#30
Urosfan "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: NYC Watch: Me now Posts: 19,372	I love my pams but I rather have the sub

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