Considering getting my first Sub C in Japan

[manatnatt]

Hi guys,

Been in this forum for a while now, but haven't get a chance to become registered member, and not even a post!

hopefully this first post will be a good one.

I'm going to Japan for about 5 days to see my in-laws, also considering getting my first Sub Date (may as well say my first Rolex yet!), so there are many considerations here, not sure if I should get The Hulk Date or Black Date.

Did some research, the price in Japan is quite "OK" for pre-owned with Excellent condition (worth looking for and get a hold of one) but BNIB Sub Date are all expensive, heard that they are quite pricey, and not very competitive to other countries.

Question is how much of a bargain or discount can you ask for (I'm not talking about the tourist 8%)? 5%, 10%, more? Can you actually ask for discount in AD? or just shops like Houseki Hiroba or Kame Kichi or Jack Road that I can bargain with only?

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciate it.

Thanks in advance.

Manatnatt