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Snow-Dweller · 30 January 2015, 02:02 AM

Those of you that have been kind enough to read my recent threads will know that I am in the process of reducing my collection of Rolex from 6 to 2 or 3....the idea being to use the proceeds (give or take) to enter the world of AP and PP.

My purchasing has been speeded-up by the recent actions of the Swiss National Bank and the impending/already happening price increases.....and I am delighted to say that I have an AP 15400 arriving in the next few days (can't wait!)

I am on the waiting list for a PP 5167 at the Patek salon in Geneva, which should arrive around April/May. However....

Whenever I look at wrist shots of the 5167 I love it, and many TRFers over on the Patek forum write how wonderful it is. The few times I have tried it on in Geneva I have not been quite so sure. I have found it to be very light in weight and barely large enough for my tastes. I am also unsure about the numerals. I only wear sports watches (ie. dress watches are not an option) and the Nautilus simply doesn't do it for me at all. I think the Aquanaut is a beautiful piece.....but I wonder if I like the idea of owning a Patek more than I like the actual watch.

At the same time as all of this is going on, I have found myself being drawn more and more to the AP steel Diver. If you had shown me this watch a year ago I would have said that it was not my sort of thing....but now it seems to be singing...faintly to start, but getting louder. Sure enough my local AP AD has one in stock, still at the old price, and has offered me a discount. I am happy that if I were to decide to buy then I would be getting it at a good price.

I am also starting to think that the 15400 and the 5167 would, for me, infringe on each-others wrist time (ie. I would use them both for the same thing) whereas the the Diver and the 15400 are different beasts.

I do not usually rush into purchases like this, and if it wasn't for the coming price increase I would happily have my honey-moon period with the 15400 and choose between the Diver and the Aquanaut in a few months' time. I would like to point out that this is still an option...I do not need enabling!!

So what would you do? I really look forward to your advice and opinions, and thank you in advance.

Clive

GB-man · 30 January 2015, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Clivek

Those of you that have been kind enough to read my recent threads will know that I am in the process of reducing my collection of Rolex from 6 to 2 or 3....the idea being to use the proceeds (give or take) to enter the world of AP and PP.

My purchasing has been speeded-up by the recent actions of the Swiss National Bank and the impending/already happening price increases.....and I am delighted to say that I have an AP 15400 arriving in the next few days (can't wait!)

I am on the waiting list for a PP 5167 at the Patek salon in Geneva, which should arrive around April/May. However....

Whenever I look at wrist shots of the 5167 I love it, and many TRFers over on the Patek forum write how wonderful it is. The few times I have tried it on in Geneva I have not been quite so sure. I have found it to be very light in weight and barely large enough for my tastes. I am also unsure about the numerals. I only wear sports watches (ie. dress watches are not an option) and the Nautilus simply doesn't do it for me at all. I think the Aquanaut is a beautiful piece.....but I wonder if I like the idea of owning a Patek more than I like the actual watch.

At the same time as all of this is going on, I have found myself being drawn more and more to the AP steel Diver. If you had shown me this watch a year ago I would have said that it was not my sort of thing....but now it seems to be singing...faintly to start, but getting louder. Sure enough my local AP AD has one in stock, still at the old price, and has offered me a discount. I am happy that if I were to decide to buy then I would be getting it at a good price.

I am also starting to think that the 15400 and the 5167 would, for me, infringe on each-others wrist time (ie. I would use them both for the same thing) whereas the the Diver and the 15400 are different beasts.

I do not usually rush into purchases like this, and if it wasn't for the coming price increase I would happily have my honey-moon period with the 15400 and choose between the Diver and the Aquanaut in a few months' time. I would like to point out that this is still an option...I do not need enabling!!

So what would you do? I really look forward to your advice and opinions, and thank you in advance.

Clive

In all honesty I would wait. You already have a new AP to be giddy over for a few months

I think we all love having extra justifications for buying new watches, price increases being at the top of the list. I'm guilty myself, but I'm trying real hard to limit it to one new piece

In addition, if you wait and still want the diver you will be rewarded with a sapphire case back.

Or just say f it and buy the diver

B. Doggy · 30 January 2015, 02:32 AM

Sounds like some more exploring and research is in in order.

That's the fun part in my book.

DECR · 30 January 2015, 03:54 AM

Take your time. Do not rush into buying if you are not positive it is the best piece to add to your collection, even if a price increase is coming soon. Much better to pay a bit more and be sure it is the best buy.

And as Tom said. You may even end up with the Diver sapphire case back.

Happy hunting!

Colin W · 30 January 2015, 04:11 AM

I too think the pics of the Aquanaut line up look great on the Guys wrists on the forum. I nearly went for one myself and then swayed towards the Nautilus, I was particularly drawn towards the 5980R and the 5712R but when I tried them on they just weren't for me - can't put my finger on why, but they just weren't. Like you I probably thought I should have a Patek in my line up.
So if it were me I would be sticking with the AP Diver - I have a ceramic Diver and love it. I understand your urgency given the potential price increases looming, so again if it were me I would move quickly.
Good luck😄

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texex91 · 30 January 2015, 04:24 AM

Us...enable...never

Manofsteelpt · 30 January 2015, 04:33 AM

I would choose the AP Diver. I love the look of the 5167, but I don't think I'd be satisfied with the case size... Seems your concerned about the size too, so maybe the Diver is the way to go.

srvrf · 30 January 2015, 04:41 AM

To me it seems like you have your answer. No matter what others say and how nice pictures look, you've had it on your wrist and it didn't sing to you. We've all been there. After hours of research we go into it thinking we will love the watch...until we try it on. Since you will be getting your AP soon, you'll need another watch that can seriously give it competition for wrist time. And if you sell more of your Rolexes, you can just have the money ready to buy when you are ready.

s14roller · 30 January 2015, 04:45 AM

I think you know the answer...there are many times that I like the idea of the watch more than the watch itself.

Manofsteelpt · 30 January 2015, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by s14roller

there are many times that I like the idea of the watch more than the watch itself.

Oh this is so true!

Hairdude1 · 30 January 2015, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s14roller

I think you know the answer...there are many times that I like the idea of the watch more than the watch itself.

So true

AK797 · 30 January 2015, 07:19 AM

Based on what you say I think the Diver is for you, Clive. I like the Aquanaut but do think it is a little on the small and slight side but I do love the 3D numerals, and if this feature is also not singing to you then I think it is the idea of PP that holds most appeal rather than the actual watch itself as is the case for the Diver. As the guys say take your time to be sure, no point rushing to buy now to save some cash only to give it all back by trading to get the right one.

Vipes · 30 January 2015, 08:47 AM

I felt the same way about the 5167; looks really good in pictures and in person but didn't sing to me when I had it on. With the doubt that you have, I would hold off on the 5167 and consider the AP Diver. Good luck and keep us informed.

sturgeon123456 · 30 January 2015, 09:12 AM

I tried on some PP in vegas recently, one of which was the 5167. It was finished really nicely and of amazing quality but the size for me was quite small and I have 6.5" wrists. If I wanted a watch to wear with a suit that would be in consideration though as it seems like it would fit comfortably under the sleeve.

ash20 · 30 January 2015, 11:41 AM

In a small collection you really must love each watch. I’ve found that if there is something that bothers me about a watch before the purchase, it always gets worse after the purchase—usually right after the honeymoon effect wears off. Or when selecting a watch to wear it will be passed over for ones that you do love.
I’ve gone back/forth with the Aquanaut, as well. Where I’m at now is that it is a very special watch that is extremely versatile, but I’m simply not in love with it. I’ve taken many pictures and studied video with it on my wrist at an AD and from a distance it looks fantastic. Up close, the dial just isn’t enough for me. It’s definitely a personal preference, as there are many here who absolutely love everything that the Aquanaut offers. I will say that the PP will look better outside vs. at the AD so keep that in mind.
Regarding the Diver, I don’t see any reason to rush to purchase. The newly released Diver with sapphire caseback is driving down prices of the old version in both new and pre-owned markets and will continue to. Again, since you’re reducing your collection, take your time and make sure it’s what you really want. BTW—if I didn’t have my Big Pilot, I’d probably look to add the Diver

vitalsignsrn · 30 January 2015, 02:12 PM

You lament that you wonder if you " like the idea of owning a Patek more than you actually like the watch". You then mention the AP Diver, started off quietly but the music is getting louder. I say you have your answer. Don't buy any of these watches because you feel pressure or 2nd guess yourself as to why shouldn't you love it if everyone thinks its the next best thing since sliced bread. Don't buy something, anything, unless you truly love it & have genuine feelings of pride in wanting to own it. However, the AP Diver seems to be calling your name & you dont seem like a flighty guy. You've been very methodical to your buying approach.

I would keep an eye on the prices & at the same time enjoy your new sweetheart, enjoy the honeymoon. If you find prices rising significantly, well then make your move. If not, then chill & enjoy your new love.

thomaspp · 30 January 2015, 03:10 PM

Buddy I would not get the aquanaut (I own one myself and am in the process of getting others to replace it). Take your time and wait for the 15400 to arrive. Best

mikeceee · 30 January 2015, 03:16 PM

I'm here for the enabling

Sometimes just putting your thoughts into a written form helps provide clarity. I can relate to liking the idea of a watch more than the watch itself. I look forward to the incoming thread. An appreciation for a watch that starts slow and forms a strong base and continues to build is going to be a much longer and healthier relationship than one that develops quickly out of lust and fades quickly as there is no true substance to it.

Did I mention I'm here for the enabling? It is imperative you buy before the price increase. I would go down to your AD tomorrow before its gone.

redsubby · 30 January 2015, 03:38 PM

I too have toyed with the idea of getting the aquanaut so I have a PP in my collection, but I just can't warm up to its smaller profile.

masterkiller · 30 January 2015, 05:29 PM

Whats not to LOVE...

zama · 30 January 2015, 05:52 PM

I have the 15400 and Aquanaut and have provided feedback to Clive. You can tell we are on the AP forum not Patek as it would be swapped around the feedback trend. Firstly the Aquanaut is NOT a small watch it is thinner than many and certainly lighter but not small, it is a 40mm sports watch. Clive for me I don't see them in competition to each other, the AP is a big chunky watch the PP lighter and thinner, and i alternate them with my other watches, they have different personalities (much like a GMT is different to a Daytona). Both PP and AP are great watches, I don't see a reason to step up the diver unless that is the watch you want, in any case the are ALL cracking pieces.

Snow-Dweller · 31 January 2015, 02:46 AM

Thank you all for the many interesting views and opinions so far.

I have just heard that I should be receiving my 15400 on Monday....so I am certainly going to hold off for a few days before taking any decisions. TRF will be kept informed of my progress!

30 January 2015, 02:02 AM	#1
Snow-Dweller 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Clive Location: The Alps Watch: collections change Posts: 6,284	Opinions and advice needed please Those of you that have been kind enough to read my recent threads will know that I am in the process of reducing my collection of Rolex from 6 to 2 or 3....the idea being to use the proceeds (give or take) to enter the world of AP and PP. My purchasing has been speeded-up by the recent actions of the Swiss National Bank and the impending/already happening price increases.....and I am delighted to say that I have an AP 15400 arriving in the next few days (can't wait!) I am on the waiting list for a PP 5167 at the Patek salon in Geneva, which should arrive around April/May. However.... Whenever I look at wrist shots of the 5167 I love it, and many TRFers over on the Patek forum write how wonderful it is. The few times I have tried it on in Geneva I have not been quite so sure. I have found it to be very light in weight and barely large enough for my tastes. I am also unsure about the numerals. I only wear sports watches (ie. dress watches are not an option) and the Nautilus simply doesn't do it for me at all. I think the Aquanaut is a beautiful piece.....but I wonder if I like the idea of owning a Patek more than I like the actual watch. At the same time as all of this is going on, I have found myself being drawn more and more to the AP steel Diver. If you had shown me this watch a year ago I would have said that it was not my sort of thing....but now it seems to be singing...faintly to start, but getting louder. Sure enough my local AP AD has one in stock, still at the old price, and has offered me a discount. I am happy that if I were to decide to buy then I would be getting it at a good price. I am also starting to think that the 15400 and the 5167 would, for me, infringe on each-others wrist time (ie. I would use them both for the same thing) whereas the the Diver and the 15400 are different beasts. I do not usually rush into purchases like this, and if it wasn't for the coming price increase I would happily have my honey-moon period with the 15400 and choose between the Diver and the Aquanaut in a few months' time. I would like to point out that this is still an option...I do not need enabling!! So what would you do? I really look forward to your advice and opinions, and thank you in advance. Clive __________________ . The path from WIShood to WISdom can have many turnings... ——————————————————————————————————— . 16803. 16570. 18038. 114300. GMW-B5000D.

30 January 2015, 02:32 AM	#3
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	Sounds like some more exploring and research is in in order. That's the fun part in my book. __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

30 January 2015, 04:11 AM	#5
Colin W "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: UK Posts: 1,314	I too think the pics of the Aquanaut line up look great on the Guys wrists on the forum. I nearly went for one myself and then swayed towards the Nautilus, I was particularly drawn towards the 5980R and the 5712R but when I tried them on they just weren't for me - can't put my finger on why, but they just weren't. Like you I probably thought I should have a Patek in my line up. So if it were me I would be sticking with the AP Diver - I have a ceramic Diver and love it. I understand your urgency given the potential price increases looming, so again if it were me I would move quickly. Good luck😄 Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk __________________

30 January 2015, 03:10 PM	#17
thomaspp "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 11,137	Buddy I would not get the aquanaut (I own one myself and am in the process of getting others to replace it). Take your time and wait for the 15400 to arrive. Best __________________ Instagram: @watches_anonymous

30 January 2015, 03:16 PM	#18
mikeceee "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Real Name: Mike Location: Boston Watch: AP,Patek,Rolex Posts: 1,019	I'm here for the enabling Sometimes just putting your thoughts into a written form helps provide clarity. I can relate to liking the idea of a watch more than the watch itself. I look forward to the incoming thread. An appreciation for a watch that starts slow and forms a strong base and continues to build is going to be a much longer and healthier relationship than one that develops quickly out of lust and fades quickly as there is no true substance to it. Did I mention I'm here for the enabling? It is imperative you buy before the price increase. I would go down to your AD tomorrow before its gone. __________________ Tick, Tock. Tick, Tock.

30 January 2015, 03:54 AM	#4
DECR "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Real Name: Diego Location: Mexico Watch: PP,AL&S,AP,Rolex Posts: 825	Take your time. Do not rush into buying if you are not positive it is the best piece to add to your collection, even if a price increase is coming soon. Much better to pay a bit more and be sure it is the best buy. And as Tom said. You may even end up with the Diver sapphire case back. Happy hunting!

30 January 2015, 04:24 AM	#6
texex91 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: . Posts: 17,898	Us...enable...never

30 January 2015, 04:33 AM	#7
Manofsteelpt "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Real Name: Mike Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,971	I would choose the AP Diver. I love the look of the 5167, but I don't think I'd be satisfied with the case size... Seems your concerned about the size too, so maybe the Diver is the way to go.

30 January 2015, 04:41 AM	#8
srvrf 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Real Name: Steve Location: Indiana Watch: PP/AP/VC Posts: 2,157	To me it seems like you have your answer. No matter what others say and how nice pictures look, you've had it on your wrist and it didn't sing to you. We've all been there. After hours of research we go into it thinking we will love the watch...until we try it on. Since you will be getting your AP soon, you'll need another watch that can seriously give it competition for wrist time. And if you sell more of your Rolexes, you can just have the money ready to buy when you are ready.

30 January 2015, 04:45 AM	#9
s14roller "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: US Posts: 3,257	I think you know the answer...there are many times that I like the idea of the watch more than the watch itself.

30 January 2015, 07:19 AM	#12
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,369	Based on what you say I think the Diver is for you, Clive. I like the Aquanaut but do think it is a little on the small and slight side but I do love the 3D numerals, and if this feature is also not singing to you then I think it is the idea of PP that holds most appeal rather than the actual watch itself as is the case for the Diver. As the guys say take your time to be sure, no point rushing to buy now to save some cash only to give it all back by trading to get the right one.

30 January 2015, 08:47 AM	#13
Vipes "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 4,913	I felt the same way about the 5167; looks really good in pictures and in person but didn't sing to me when I had it on. With the doubt that you have, I would hold off on the 5167 and consider the AP Diver. Good luck and keep us informed.

30 January 2015, 09:12 AM	#14
sturgeon123456 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 2,551	I tried on some PP in vegas recently, one of which was the 5167. It was finished really nicely and of amazing quality but the size for me was quite small and I have 6.5" wrists. If I wanted a watch to wear with a suit that would be in consideration though as it seems like it would fit comfortably under the sleeve.

30 January 2015, 11:41 AM	#15
ash20 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: Abram Location: NorCal Watch: Rolex & Patek Posts: 513	In a small collection you really must love each watch. I’ve found that if there is something that bothers me about a watch before the purchase, it always gets worse after the purchase—usually right after the honeymoon effect wears off. Or when selecting a watch to wear it will be passed over for ones that you do love. I’ve gone back/forth with the Aquanaut, as well. Where I’m at now is that it is a very special watch that is extremely versatile, but I’m simply not in love with it. I’ve taken many pictures and studied video with it on my wrist at an AD and from a distance it looks fantastic. Up close, the dial just isn’t enough for me. It’s definitely a personal preference, as there are many here who absolutely love everything that the Aquanaut offers. I will say that the PP will look better outside vs. at the AD so keep that in mind. Regarding the Diver, I don’t see any reason to rush to purchase. The newly released Diver with sapphire caseback is driving down prices of the old version in both new and pre-owned markets and will continue to. Again, since you’re reducing your collection, take your time and make sure it’s what you really want. BTW—if I didn’t have my Big Pilot, I’d probably look to add the Diver

30 January 2015, 02:12 PM	#16
vitalsignsrn "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Judy Location: Ontario Watch: 116234 - 14060M Posts: 4,607	You lament that you wonder if you " like the idea of owning a Patek more than you actually like the watch". You then mention the AP Diver, started off quietly but the music is getting louder. I say you have your answer. Don't buy any of these watches because you feel pressure or 2nd guess yourself as to why shouldn't you love it if everyone thinks its the next best thing since sliced bread. Don't buy something, anything, unless you truly love it & have genuine feelings of pride in wanting to own it. However, the AP Diver seems to be calling your name & you dont seem like a flighty guy. You've been very methodical to your buying approach. I would keep an eye on the prices & at the same time enjoy your new sweetheart, enjoy the honeymoon. If you find prices rising significantly, well then make your move. If not, then chill & enjoy your new love.

30 January 2015, 03:38 PM	#19
redsubby "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Henry Location: TW/SoCal Posts: 1,632	I too have toyed with the idea of getting the aquanaut so I have a PP in my collection, but I just can't warm up to its smaller profile.

30 January 2015, 05:29 PM	#20
masterkiller "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sweden Watch: Rolex, AP & PAM... Posts: 1,403	Whats not to LOVE... __________________ Rolex - SubC... AP - Diver... Panerai - PAM380 Omega - Speedy PRO

30 January 2015, 05:52 PM	#21
zama "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Craig Location: Sydney Watch: 4 Broken glass Posts: 5,808	I have the 15400 and Aquanaut and have provided feedback to Clive. You can tell we are on the AP forum not Patek as it would be swapped around the feedback trend. Firstly the Aquanaut is NOT a small watch it is thinner than many and certainly lighter but not small, it is a 40mm sports watch. Clive for me I don't see them in competition to each other, the AP is a big chunky watch the PP lighter and thinner, and i alternate them with my other watches, they have different personalities (much like a GMT is different to a Daytona). Both PP and AP are great watches, I don't see a reason to step up the diver unless that is the watch you want, in any case the are ALL cracking pieces. __________________ Day Date 118206, Daytona 116509 & 116505, AP 25859ST Gone but not forgotten and genuinely missed..... Root Beer GMT, Sub, TT Daytona, YG DD Bark, Datejust(2 his & hers), AP RO, PP Aquanaut, Lange 1, Heuer Monza, Piaget Altiplano, GP Chrono, Seamaster, Tudor Sub, Tudor Chrono, Tudor Black Bay Bronze

31 January 2015, 02:46 AM	#22
Snow-Dweller 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Clive Location: The Alps Watch: collections change Posts: 6,284	Thank you all for the many interesting views and opinions so far. I have just heard that I should be receiving my 15400 on Monday....so I am certainly going to hold off for a few days before taking any decisions. TRF will be kept informed of my progress! __________________ . The path from WIShood to WISdom can have many turnings... ——————————————————————————————————— . 16803. 16570. 18038. 114300. GMW-B5000D.

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