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Trurolexer · 19 May 2008, 04:11 PM

Hi, yes is that words "SUPERLATIVE CHRONOMETER OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED" mean to you? Do you like that words? Are you buy a Rolex because that words? Or you think that a lil' bit too much?
Me, I don't really care about that words. I choose the old model written "Officially Chronometer...". More nice to me. What about you?
Please your reply here. Thanks Guys!!!

Best Regards, TR.

Trurolexer · 19 May 2008, 07:32 PM

Anyone...?

bsodmike · 19 May 2008, 07:33 PM

It doesn't really matter to me either way, but it looks nicer on the DJ/DD dials...

JJ Irani · 19 May 2008, 07:35 PM

Let me put it this way. I would rather have a Rolex with the words SUPERLATIVE CHRONOMETER OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED printed on the dial than one without!!

bsodmike · 19 May 2008, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Let me put it this way. I would rather have a Rolex with the words SUPERLATIVE CHRONOMETER OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED printed on the dial than one without!!

LOL

Well said :p

SPACE-DWELLER · 19 May 2008, 07:48 PM

Imho, most Rolex dials are already superlatively overloaded.

I don't need the RBR which is constantly reminding me that I am wearing a Rolex.

I don't need COSC nomenclature on my Rolex dial, either.

Imho, COSC is just marketing hype and not a true indicator of the precision of a mechanical watch. The Sub 14060M and 14060m COSC have the SAME movt. Cal. 3130, but the COSC rated version does not necessarily run more accurately just due to its COSC rating.

COSC or not COSC - at the end of the day, the precision of a watch depends on the wearing habits of the owner. Adjusted to the individual wearing habits of the owner, most modern watches can be adjusted to run well within COSC specs.

Trurolexer · 19 May 2008, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

Imho, COSC is just marketing hype and not a true indicator of the precision of a mechanical watch. The Sub 14060M and 14060m COSC have the SAME movt. Cal. 3130, but the COSC rated version does not necessarily run more accurately just just due to its COSC rating.

I'm with you, Bo. I think that's only Rolex strategic marketing.

astcell · 19 May 2008, 07:57 PM

I think it is unnecessary. That's like porsche saying "This is a fast car" on it somewhere. I need glasses. I read it as SUPERLAXATIVE CHRONOS WATER-METER OFFICE OF THE CIA ALL CERTIFICATED

Lol-x · 19 May 2008, 08:04 PM

I once and for a long time did care very much about the words 'superlative chronometer officially certified', it was to some degree ignorance and to some degree arrogance.
I (much to my regret) only discovered this recently instead of years ago.
Rolex marketing and my own misplaced snobbery by notions of quality were perhaps partly to blame.
Then I found a watch like this (which I now greatly regret not having focused upon and appreciated many years ago). I paid the penalty in $$$

So for those out there don't knock the lack of those 4 words, they are great words but their absence is not necessarily important at all.

SPACE-DWELLER · 19 May 2008, 08:06 PM

That 5513 says it all!

Trurolexer · 19 May 2008, 08:09 PM

WOW!!! Nice 5513, Steve!!! I think you have a WONDERFUL Collection!!! Can you post all your collection pics sometimes, Steve? I'm dying to see 'em!!!

toph · 19 May 2008, 08:31 PM

I would argue that COSC is insurance. Your watch must keep within specific limits and if it fails to do so rolex, omega breitling will fix it. Im NOT sure if a non COSC is subject to this same type of "insurance".

TR - Im so glad you got the ND sub rather than the SD! Great choice

Trurolexer · 19 May 2008, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by toph

TR - Im so glad you got the ND sub rather than the SD! Great choice

I follow my heart, Toph. I love Sub more than any models.

oneillba · 19 May 2008, 10:33 PM

Steve, your picture expains it all very well.

artbypaul · 19 May 2008, 11:16 PM

Words mean nothing to me. If they wanted to let you know it had a "chronometer" movement they could simply put the word CHRONOMETER somewhere on the dial without the rest of the fancy-build-up-the certified movement text. Most people don't know what it means anyway.

Trurolexer · 19 May 2008, 11:34 PM

That 4 Words sound a bit arrogance to me. Many Rolex Haters laugh to that words. I hate 'em when they attack Rolex with that words.

delldeaton · 19 May 2008, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by toph

I would argue that COSC is insurance. Your watch must keep within specific limits and if it fails to do so rolex, omega breitling will fix it. Im NOT sure if a non COSC is subject to this same type of "insurance"....

Agreed. Personally, I supposed I prefer a cleaner-looking dial (even to the extent of not being super interested in surrounds on my markers). But, in the end, it's "Rolex," and I accept it as such.

Is that mole on the face of a movie star something to be overlooked, or a beauty mark?

Trurolexer · 20 May 2008, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by delldeaton

But, in the end, it's "Rolex," and I accept it as such.

Yes, I grow up with that 4 Words. Since I first look Rolex, I seen those Words. But for me that 4 Words not mean a lot to me.

DSJ · 20 May 2008, 04:35 AM

I am ambivelant about it, but 2 lines when "CHRONOMETER" could say it as well, is a bit of overkill. I sometimes wish my Explorer II had the coronet and ROLEX Oyster Perpetual Date on the upper part of the dial, and only the EXPLORER II on the bottom, or even with the SCOC lingo, the EXPLORER II on the bottomw would look better.

Perdu · 20 May 2008, 05:29 AM

I don't mind the words, but just one "Chronometer" would do. I do object to the RBR. Messy.

Jimbits76 · 20 May 2008, 06:29 AM

I want a non cosc 14060 for my boy....in fact the last of the non cosc!!!!! that way when he's 21 he gets a sweet vintage sub!

If only 'er indoors agreed!

J

SSD · 20 May 2008, 07:02 AM

I don't really mind seeing the COSC printing on the dial, despite the crowded conditions on the Sub or other watches. What really counts for me it that the movement is so!

Yet, I still have a great admiration of the non-COSC 14060 and especially the 5513.

DJF881 · 20 May 2008, 07:08 AM

It's an extra hundred bucks on a $7000 watch. Why shouldn't it be a certified Swiss chronometer?

wust588 · 20 May 2008, 08:14 AM

I prefer the COSC description to be absent. I really do dislike it. It is pretentious and unnecessary. How can it be SUPERLATIVE with an "accuracy" of -4to +6 secs?

Hamilton Carvalho · 20 May 2008, 08:18 AM

I can't think of anything better to say than this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Let me put it this way. I would rather have a Rolex with the words SUPERLATIVE CHRONOMETER OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED printed on the dial than one without!!

DSJ · 20 May 2008, 08:20 AM

Hey TR, a belated CONGRATS on post 3K!

Class of December 2007 Representing!

Trurolexer · 20 May 2008, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSJ

Hey TR, a belated CONGRATS on post 3K!

Class of December 2007 Representing!

Thanks a lot, David!!! I'm glad to be a part of the class of December 2007.

Trurolexer · 20 May 2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wust588

How can it be SUPERLATIVE with an "accuracy" of -4to +6 secs?

Yes I agree. Rolex better make more accurate movement in the future. Because the SUPERLATIVE mean is super accurate.

topcat30093 · 20 May 2008, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Let me put it this way. I would rather have a Rolex with the words SUPERLATIVE CHRONOMETER OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED printed on the dial than one without!!

JJ I couldn't of put it better myself.

briantheartist · 20 May 2008, 06:03 PM

Rolex are the only ones allowed to be "Superlative" because their watches are more accurate than others certified by COSC (standard is -4 to +6 sec per day)
Rolex is -1/+5 sec per day (-1/+3 sec per day with parachrom hairspring in 5 professional and milgauss) or so they claim....

19 May 2008, 04:11 PM	#1
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	Is That "SUPERLATIVE CHRONOMETER..." Mean A Lot To You? Hi, yes is that words "SUPERLATIVE CHRONOMETER OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED" mean to you? Do you like that words? Are you buy a Rolex because that words? Or you think that a lil' bit too much? Me, I don't really care about that words. I choose the old model written "Officially Chronometer...". More nice to me. What about you? Please your reply here. Thanks Guys!!! Best Regards, TR.

19 May 2008, 07:32 PM	#2
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	Anyone...? Anyone...?

19 May 2008, 07:33 PM	#3
bsodmike "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sri Lanka Watch: PP 5146 & AP 15300 Posts: 281	It doesn't really matter to me either way, but it looks nicer on the DJ/DD dials... __________________ Here's my 2016 Watch collection with Patek, Audemars, Rolex, Omega - SOTC Video 2016

19 May 2008, 07:35 PM	#4
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	Let me put it this way. I would rather have a Rolex with the words SUPERLATIVE CHRONOMETER OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED printed on the dial than one without!! __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

19 May 2008, 07:48 PM	#6
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Imho, most Rolex dials are already superlatively overloaded. I don't need the RBR which is constantly reminding me that I am wearing a Rolex. I don't need COSC nomenclature on my Rolex dial, either. Imho, COSC is just marketing hype and not a true indicator of the precision of a mechanical watch. The Sub 14060M and 14060m COSC have the SAME movt. Cal. 3130, but the COSC rated version does not necessarily run more accurately just due to its COSC rating. COSC or not COSC - at the end of the day, the precision of a watch depends on the wearing habits of the owner. Adjusted to the individual wearing habits of the owner, most modern watches can be adjusted to run well within COSC specs. __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

19 May 2008, 07:57 PM	#8
astcell "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Robert Location: Angelus Oaks, CA Watch: 116713 Posts: 6,828	I think it is unnecessary. That's like porsche saying "This is a fast car" on it somewhere. I need glasses. I read it as SUPERLAXATIVE CHRONOS WATER-METER OFFICE OF THE CIA ALL CERTIFICATED

19 May 2008, 08:04 PM	#9
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,588	I once and for a long time did care very much about the words 'superlative chronometer officially certified', it was to some degree ignorance and to some degree arrogance. I (much to my regret) only discovered this recently instead of years ago. Rolex marketing and my own misplaced snobbery by notions of quality were perhaps partly to blame. Then I found a watch like this (which I now greatly regret not having focused upon and appreciated many years ago). I paid the penalty in $$$ So for those out there don't knock the lack of those 4 words, they are great words but their absence is not necessarily important at all. Attached Images __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

19 May 2008, 08:06 PM	#10
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	That 5513 says it all! __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

19 May 2008, 08:09 PM	#11
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	Wow!!! WOW!!! Nice 5513, Steve!!! I think you have a WONDERFUL Collection!!! Can you post all your collection pics sometimes, Steve? I'm dying to see 'em!!!

19 May 2008, 08:31 PM	#12
toph "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: ChrisTOPHer Location: Sydney Watch: Rolex, Brellum, Posts: 12,601	I would argue that COSC is insurance. Your watch must keep within specific limits and if it fails to do so rolex, omega breitling will fix it. Im NOT sure if a non COSC is subject to this same type of "insurance". TR - Im so glad you got the ND sub rather than the SD! Great choice __________________ "Where no counsel is the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety." Member No.# 11795

19 May 2008, 10:33 PM	#14
oneillba "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Brian Location: Hamilton, MI USA Watch: My beloved TT DJ Posts: 3,831	Steve, your picture expains it all very well. __________________ My Trusty TT DJ

19 May 2008, 11:16 PM	#15
artbypaul Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Paul Location: Oklahoma City Watch: Rolex Posts: 411	Words mean nothing to me. If they wanted to let you know it had a "chronometer" movement they could simply put the word CHRONOMETER somewhere on the dial without the rest of the fancy-build-up-the certified movement text. Most people don't know what it means anyway.

19 May 2008, 11:34 PM	#16
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	That 4 Words sound a bit arrogance to me. Many Rolex Haters laugh to that words. I hate 'em when they attack Rolex with that words.

20 May 2008, 04:35 AM	#19
DSJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: David Location: USA Watch: your step! Posts: 7,882	I am ambivelant about it, but 2 lines when "CHRONOMETER" could say it as well, is a bit of overkill. I sometimes wish my Explorer II had the coronet and ROLEX Oyster Perpetual Date on the upper part of the dial, and only the EXPLORER II on the bottom, or even with the SCOC lingo, the EXPLORER II on the bottomw would look better. __________________ Rolex. The Rolex of watches. 16570 Expy2 Noir, 116710 GMT Master II, 2552.80 SMP

20 May 2008, 05:29 AM	#20
Perdu "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Gary Location: GMT-6 Watch: GMT Posts: 3,350	I don't mind the words, but just one "Chronometer" would do. I do object to the RBR. Messy. __________________ Omega Seamaster 300M GMT Noire Omega Seamaster Aqua Terra 8500 Benson 1937 Sterling Silver Hunter

20 May 2008, 06:29 AM	#21
Jimbits76 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK Posts: 9,407	I want a non cosc 14060 for my boy....in fact the last of the non cosc!!!!! that way when he's 21 he gets a sweet vintage sub! If only 'er indoors agreed! J

20 May 2008, 07:02 AM	#22
SSD "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Jamie Location: Georgia Watch: Stainless Sub Date Posts: 3,023	I don't really mind seeing the COSC printing on the dial, despite the crowded conditions on the Sub or other watches. What really counts for me it that the movement is so! Yet, I still have a great admiration of the non-COSC 14060 and especially the 5513. __________________ SUBMARINER OWNERS' CLUB ESTABLISHED 1953 TRF Member # 5464

20 May 2008, 07:08 AM	#23
DJF881 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New York Posts: 248	It's an extra hundred bucks on a $7000 watch. Why shouldn't it be a certified Swiss chronometer?

20 May 2008, 08:14 AM	#24
wust588 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Stonnall, Staffs, Posts: 54	I prefer the COSC description to be absent. I really do dislike it. It is pretentious and unnecessary. How can it be SUPERLATIVE with an "accuracy" of -4to +6 secs?

20 May 2008, 08:20 AM	#26
DSJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: David Location: USA Watch: your step! Posts: 7,882	Hey TR, a belated CONGRATS on post 3K! Class of December 2007 Representing! __________________ Rolex. The Rolex of watches. 16570 Expy2 Noir, 116710 GMT Master II, 2552.80 SMP

20 May 2008, 06:03 PM	#30
briantheartist Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Brian Location: USA, California Watch: GMT Master II Posts: 92	Rolex are the only ones allowed to be "Superlative" because their watches are more accurate than others certified by COSC (standard is -4 to +6 sec per day) Rolex is -1/+5 sec per day (-1/+3 sec per day with parachrom hairspring in 5 professional and milgauss) or so they claim....

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