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daytonaTBR · 13 May 2015, 10:59 AM

Hi all,

I'm deciding between an AP 15202 in steel, an IWC Portuguese Perpetual (New Version WG), or an F.P. Journe Chronometre Bleu. The IWC has the benefit of having a perpetual calendar and a 7 day power reserve, albeit at a premium over the others. The Journe and AP to me have finer finishing and equally interesting aesthetics. What are your thoughts on these watches?

jjnd08 · 13 May 2015, 11:23 AM

AP, and it isn't even close for me.

Cabaiguan · 13 May 2015, 11:25 AM

Jumbo...every single time.

kilyung · 13 May 2015, 11:40 AM

Yup. 15202.

el1125 · 13 May 2015, 11:42 AM

Ap

thomaspp · 13 May 2015, 11:43 AM

15202 certainly!

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mps354 · 13 May 2015, 11:51 AM

I'll vote fpj, as I much prefer the pp 5711 to the ap 15202

CWIN · 13 May 2015, 01:37 PM

The FPJ would make for a great pairing with your 5712

cervantes · 13 May 2015, 03:25 PM

Since you have the 5712 I would say FJP. But the CB is a blue watch, a very blue watch, and as much as I love it in a two watch rotation it might be a bit much.

The Portuguese has a stunning dial, particularly the blue one. But its a very large watch and thick. In terms of wearability I'd say the RO, but it really depends on if you want another bracelet-watch.

PJ S · 13 May 2015, 09:32 PM

Two quite distinct styles of watch being contemplated, and whilst it's hard to not like the 15202, it effectively doubles up on what you have already, in the shape of the 5712.

Naturally, the FPJ, with its 18kt gold movement and off-centre seconds sub dial, would give you a very different look to choose from – which may be exactly what you're after or need, but I'm going to throw you a bit of a curve ball here.

If the numerals on the dial of the FPJ would make it a bit less suitable as a watch to wear to a black-tie event, but a blue dial is a must have – then I'd suggest you give some thought to either of these...

http://www.h-moser.com/en/collection...dium-blue-fume
http://www.h-moser.com/en/collection...blue-fume-dial

https://www.neueuhren.de/venturer-sm...herer-edition/
http://www.masterhorologer.com/2014/...l-seconds.html

Given the price mentioned, you'd divide by 1.19, if bought from Germany (Austria might be the same) to remove the local VAT, leaving the export price.

Or...

http://www.glashuette-original.com/c...0-02-46-32-70/
http://www.glashuette-original.com/c...5-01-12-26-70/

http://www.masterhorologer.com/2015/...rsions-of.html
http://www.masterhorologer.com/2015/...serve-new.html

If you like bracelets more than straps, you'll be hard pushed to find anything better than what GO produce.
Do not dismiss them as the poor man's ALS – they are very far from it!

Good luck with your dilemma, and enjoy whichever one you ultimately end up opting for.

travisb · 13 May 2015, 10:42 PM

15202!

rangercadre · 13 May 2015, 10:47 PM

Ap!!!!

Heu · 13 May 2015, 10:53 PM

Ap

watchnutty · 13 May 2015, 10:57 PM

if your wrist is <7" go FP if >7" go AP.
the FP dial is sick though, and that's coming from an AP owner!

malarky_hk · 14 May 2015, 12:09 AM

Jumbo baby!

hgsuisse · 14 May 2015, 12:38 AM

AP no contest

GB-man · 14 May 2015, 01:01 AM

FPJ. Something about that watch is alluring. I say this having owned a royal oak and never a Journe so I may have a bias towards something new

daytonaTBR · 14 May 2015, 11:39 AM

Thanks for the responses everyone. I forgot to mention in the original post that I already have a royal oak chrono (26300st) and a portuguese (7th anniversary 8 days) so I'm worried they might seem repetitive. Regardless I'm torn between the 15202 and the FPJ now.

GB-man · 14 May 2015, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aw15

Thanks for the responses everyone. I forgot to mention in the original post that I already have a royal oak chrono (26300st) and a portuguese (7th anniversary 8 days) so I'm worried they might seem repetitive. Regardless I'm torn between the 15202 and the FPJ now.

In that case the FPJ is even stronger! Only problem is they seem to be stingy with the production as of late

Abdullasaif · 14 May 2015, 09:26 PM

15202. The watch is perfect.

AK797 · 14 May 2015, 10:27 PM

202, the FPJ's funky dial doesn't quite do it for me, plus you have the 5712 so one asymmetrical dial ought to be enough.

tigerpac · 15 May 2015, 01:52 PM

If you put them all next to each other, you'll see the bleu is for you

Eagle dunes 75 · 16 May 2015, 12:20 AM

AP. It is timeless and a classy piece.

Exhausted · 21 May 2015, 10:39 AM

AP without question.

mikeceee · 21 May 2015, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GB-man

FPJ. Something about that watch is alluring. I say this having owned a royal oak and never a Journe so I may have a bias towards something new

Same.

Had a 15202. The dial just doesn't speak to me like the 5711. To me the journe looks like a different kind of dynamic blue with a dramatically different yet complementary case.

watchucallit · 21 May 2015, 12:47 PM

I like all three but the FPJ and AP are close 2 and 1… in my mind. I voted for the AP but it probably would depend on the minute I happened to read this threat. They are both great!

nick c · 21 May 2015, 12:49 PM

Ap

Psmith · 21 May 2015, 08:02 PM

Fpj

busytimmy · 21 May 2015, 08:21 PM

Journe, to go with your Nautilus.

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Cru Jones · 21 May 2015, 08:24 PM

15202 unless you "need" a seconds hand, in which case blue 15300.

FPJ is gorgeous, but, I am afraid to commit to in-house service by a boutique brand that could disappear in the medium-term.

View Poll Results: IWC, AP, or FP Journe?
IWC Portuguese Perpetual Calendar (WG, New Version)	5	6.25%
AP 15202 (Steel, Blue Dial)	42	52.50%
FP Journe Chronometre Bleu	33	41.25%
Voters: 80. You may not vote on this poll

13 May 2015, 10:59 AM	#1
daytonaTBR "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: N/A Posts: 1,466	Help me decide! (AP vs IWC vs FPJ) Hi all, I'm deciding between an AP 15202 in steel, an IWC Portuguese Perpetual (New Version WG), or an F.P. Journe Chronometre Bleu. The IWC has the benefit of having a perpetual calendar and a 7 day power reserve, albeit at a premium over the others. The Journe and AP to me have finer finishing and equally interesting aesthetics. What are your thoughts on these watches?

13 May 2015, 11:25 AM	#3
Cabaiguan "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Raf Location: NJ Watch: GMTII Posts: 2,155	Jumbo...every single time. __________________ "A ship of war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell

13 May 2015, 11:43 AM	#6
thomaspp "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 11,137	15202 certainly! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Instagram: @watches_anonymous

13 May 2015, 01:37 PM	#8
CWIN "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: Chris Location: San Diego Watch: Patek, AP, Rolex Posts: 4,449	The FPJ would make for a great pairing with your 5712 __________________ *Instagram* @cwin

13 May 2015, 11:23 AM	#2
jjnd08 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: United States Posts: 8,615	AP, and it isn't even close for me.

13 May 2015, 11:40 AM	#4
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	Yup. 15202.

13 May 2015, 11:42 AM	#5
el1125 Banned Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: USA Posts: 3,578	Ap

13 May 2015, 11:51 AM	#7
mps354 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: Mike Location: CT Posts: 9,099	I'll vote fpj, as I much prefer the pp 5711 to the ap 15202

13 May 2015, 03:25 PM	#9
cervantes "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Real Name: Jay Location: East and West Posts: 1,894	Since you have the 5712 I would say FJP. But the CB is a blue watch, a very blue watch, and as much as I love it in a two watch rotation it might be a bit much. The Portuguese has a stunning dial, particularly the blue one. But its a very large watch and thick. In terms of wearability I'd say the RO, but it really depends on if you want another bracelet-watch.

13 May 2015, 09:32 PM	#10
PJ S Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: UK Posts: 3,990	Two quite distinct styles of watch being contemplated, and whilst it's hard to not like the 15202, it effectively doubles up on what you have already, in the shape of the 5712. Naturally, the FPJ, with its 18kt gold movement and off-centre seconds sub dial, would give you a very different look to choose from – which may be exactly what you're after or need, but I'm going to throw you a bit of a curve ball here. If the numerals on the dial of the FPJ would make it a bit less suitable as a watch to wear to a black-tie event, but a blue dial is a must have – then I'd suggest you give some thought to either of these... http://www.h-moser.com/en/collection...dium-blue-fume http://www.h-moser.com/en/collection...blue-fume-dial https://www.neueuhren.de/venturer-sm...herer-edition/ http://www.masterhorologer.com/2014/...l-seconds.html Given the price mentioned, you'd divide by 1.19, if bought from Germany (Austria might be the same) to remove the local VAT, leaving the export price. Or... http://www.glashuette-original.com/c...0-02-46-32-70/ http://www.glashuette-original.com/c...5-01-12-26-70/ http://www.masterhorologer.com/2015/...rsions-of.html http://www.masterhorologer.com/2015/...serve-new.html If you like bracelets more than straps, you'll be hard pushed to find anything better than what GO produce. Do not dismiss them as the poor man's ALS – they are very far from it! Good luck with your dilemma, and enjoy whichever one you ultimately end up opting for.

13 May 2015, 10:42 PM	#11
travisb 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Travis Location: FL / NYC Watch: Yes.. Posts: 33,493	15202!

13 May 2015, 10:47 PM	#12
rangercadre "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: singapore Posts: 189	Ap!!!!

13 May 2015, 10:53 PM	#13
Heu "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Brasil Posts: 1,763	Ap

13 May 2015, 10:57 PM	#14
watchnutty "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Florida Posts: 347	if your wrist is <7" go FP if >7" go AP. the FP dial is sick though, and that's coming from an AP owner!

14 May 2015, 12:09 AM	#15
malarky_hk "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: ... Watch: Rolex Posts: 4,466	Jumbo baby!

14 May 2015, 12:38 AM	#16
hgsuisse "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: swiss Posts: 48	AP no contest

14 May 2015, 01:01 AM	#17
GB-man 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 37,355	FPJ. Something about that watch is alluring. I say this having owned a royal oak and never a Journe so I may have a bias towards something new

14 May 2015, 11:39 AM	#18
daytonaTBR "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: N/A Posts: 1,466	Thanks for the responses everyone. I forgot to mention in the original post that I already have a royal oak chrono (26300st) and a portuguese (7th anniversary 8 days) so I'm worried they might seem repetitive. Regardless I'm torn between the 15202 and the FPJ now.

14 May 2015, 09:26 PM	#20
Abdullasaif "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Dubai Watch: bipolar Posts: 2,854	15202. The watch is perfect.

14 May 2015, 10:27 PM	#21
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,369	202, the FPJ's funky dial doesn't quite do it for me, plus you have the 5712 so one asymmetrical dial ought to be enough.

15 May 2015, 01:52 PM	#22
tigerpac "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Hoboken, NJ Posts: 673	If you put them all next to each other, you'll see the bleu is for you

16 May 2015, 12:20 AM	#23
Eagle dunes 75 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: USA Posts: 180	AP. It is timeless and a classy piece.

21 May 2015, 10:39 AM	#24
Exhausted "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Toronto Posts: 189	AP without question.

21 May 2015, 12:47 PM	#26
watchucallit "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: San Fran Posts: 2,218	I like all three but the FPJ and AP are close 2 and 1… in my mind. I voted for the AP but it probably would depend on the minute I happened to read this threat. They are both great!

21 May 2015, 12:49 PM	#27
nick c Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 26,846	Ap

21 May 2015, 08:02 PM	#28
Psmith "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Clive Location: Exoplanet Watch: spring-driven Posts: 38,856	Fpj __________________

21 May 2015, 08:21 PM	#29
busytimmy "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Sydney, Australia Watch: ing the detectives Posts: 3,745	Journe, to go with your Nautilus. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

21 May 2015, 08:24 PM	#30
Cru Jones 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Paris, France Posts: 35,300	15202 unless you "need" a seconds hand, in which case blue 15300. FPJ is gorgeous, but, I am afraid to commit to in-house service by a boutique brand that could disappear in the medium-term.

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